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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 01:45:44 AM »

update on Princess.  she is not getting better at home.  AMC does very little for $600.  They charge extra for blood tests.  It will cost $1k to diagnosis Princess.  I have  tried Spot's stew, crumbled Empire Kosher turkey, nothing.  She stands by the plate, but can not eat.  She smells the food but can not eat.  Even syringing the spring water results in dramatic heaving of her chest.  My darling little animal is not throwing up and not moving her bowels. She is getting weaker.  I will have to bring her back, but I have no easy way to get her to the hospital. And very little faith they will do much other than take my money, and leave me with a pet to bury.  Godamn these pet food companies.  They change formulas, factories, standards and think people won't pay a price.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 05:16:14 AM »

elymom,

This is getting to the point of being extremely serious.  Princess needs to go to a different vet hospital if at all possible, so that she can get the care she needs, and so that you can get some answers.  IMO, she's dehydrated and impacted (super constipation that is not going to be relieved by normal measures) unless that was ruled out by x-rays, and will need, as others have said, assist feeding, subQ fluids,  and immediate care in order to recover.

You also need to get some answers as to what was seen on the $600 worth of tests.  For that amount, it sounds like an x-ray was likely done, maybe an ultrasound.  if you have any information at all from the tests they did, please post it here and someone will help you to interpret it.

Most veterinary hospitals will have some sort of payment arrangements available.  Ask about Care Credit.

Sending many warm and positive thoughts to you and Princess.

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 06:28:09 AM »

This is, in my opinion, an emergency situation. Find another vet/hospital/clinic and get her there as soon as you can. This is beyond what you can handle at home. And, yes, it's possible that she might die if you don't get something started right now.

I have a megacolon cat and she ended up with surgery for repeated (and dangerous) impactions and is doing nicely 2 years later.

Please stop fussing about the pet food company and get your cat some help. There are other foods out there and she needs help now. (And I'm not defending any company - I have a survivor of the toxic pet food so I understand)

Keeping you and Princess in my prayers . . .

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2012, 12:25:37 PM »

Princess update:  I brought my precious, sweet little girl back to AMC.  It will cost 5k to save her.  For non-New Yorkers, AMC is the most expensive place.  My original 600 did NOT include an ultra sound.  they did one today.  Preliminary results = pancritatis.  My lovely animal is so sick.  She was so happy and healthy until this last pet food delivery.  I WILL continue to complain about this pet food company because they knew they were changing the formula.  they made a decision for me without telling pet parents.  I am sick and tired of corporate hacks deciding major decisions that affect me and my loved one to enrich their bottom line.    America is in the garbage can because the public has lost its voice.  Be it Weruva or the rest of them, the attitude is, if you don't like it, go to hell.  My animal is suffering so  bad she is on methdone for the pain.  I will never  get over that I fed her this crap that's killing her.  thank you everyone, please keep her in your thoughts and prayers.  This poor pussycat never had the breaks.  She was an ASPCA cruelty case rescue.  I am  beyond  angry, sad and devastated.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 12:42:58 PM »

I'm glad you have a diagnosis, hence a treatment plan. Pancreatitis is a very serious condition, but hopefully whatever treatment being prescribed will help her be comfortable very soon. Please know that we will keep you both in our thoughts and prayers.

I was not suggesting that you not be angry at the pet food companies. What I was trying to say (and perhaps didn't say it very well) was that NOW is the time to help Princess. There will be a time to deal with the pfc. I DO understand - I have a 16 year old who has had 6 years of surgeries, procedures, tests, medications, feeding tubes BECAUSE OF TOXIC PET FOOD! And we're lucky because she survived and is still with me. So, I DO get it! I have spent more money than I will ever say to keep her alive and I would do it again in a heartbeat (and I'm not a wealthy woman, just a retired teacher who loves her cats). So, please don't misunderstand what I was saying.

Just take good care of Princess (she HAS been through a lot) and get her well again.

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 12:45:30 PM »

elymom, Im so sorry to hear about your kitty.  Im wondering when the vet says it will cost $5000 to save her, what measures are they talking about?  We had a kitty that had pancreatitis and I dont remember it costing that much money to have her treated.  I remember her needing fluids, and she was at the vets for a couple of days, anti-biotics, some enzyme stuff but I dont remember it costing $5000, although I know each case can be different.  Is she at the vets being treated now?  My thoughts are with you and your Princess.  
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2012, 01:02:54 PM »

to CatMom and everyone.  I appreciate all your insights.  I feel totally powerless and totally guilty for feeding her food her sweet little nose told her not to.  AMC's plan is to put a feeding tube in her neck and give her back to me for a month.  How in hell I am supposed to feed her through her neck and go to work.  5k includes the blood work, urinalysis, 1 night hospital stay, 2 types of ultra sound and methodone for the pain.  There is NO payment plan available, NYC policy - pay up or the pet dies.  Tough luck.  AMC is known to be particularly heartless for financial issues.  I know I am being ripped off. However, they are a 24hr facility, so she will not die in the cage and be dead for 8 hrs before anyone notices.  Moral of this brutal story.  IF YOUR PUSSYCAT WALKS AWAY, RESPECT THEIR  DECISION.  Throw the garbage out, regardles of any previous good reputation.  Cats don't read, but they sure as hell know junk when they smell it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2012, 01:13:32 PM »

The feeding tube through the neck is manageable - and you can do it. You have to get a certain amount into her in a 24 hour period, if I remember correctly. If you divide the total and give her some every few hours when you are home, then it should work. Is there someone who could come in and do a feeding or two during the day? Perhaps a vet tech or even someone comfortable with doing that sort of thing.

When CJ had her first feeding tube, it was in the neck and her vet (from Australia) told me to make a slurry with the food and water in the blender. Then I made up a batch of food and kept the unused food in the refrigerator so that I could just warm it up (or leave it out to come to room temperature). It did take some planning, but having the syringes ready to go helped a lot. And I was VERY nervous about being able to do that for her, but decided that if she was going to survive, then that's what I had to do. (And she was starting to suffer from fatty liver at the time because she felt so yucky from the kidney disease that she stopped eating . . .) You can do this because you love your cat!

I'm sorry that you have such an expensive clinic. I do think you are paying a high price for what you're getting, but it sounds as if you have reasons for using them.

Many of us understand the guilt - for we often coaxed and prodded our cats and dogs to eat food that they were reluctant to eat or refused. We get that! You didn't do anything intentional to hurt your cat. As hard as it is, you need to forgive yourself and focus your energy on taking care of Princess now.
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2012, 02:42:57 PM »

Can you find a different vet to take your cat to? There are several really good cat only vets in NYC.

the Cat Practice
Manhattan Cat Specialists
New York Cat Hospital
Feline Health

All of these are highly rated cat vets.

Pancreatitis is serious and hard to treat when the cat won't eat. I also had a cat with a feeding tube for a couple weeks. If you can't get a feeding tube you still need to get food into the cat. Use a syringe to gently squirt a little watered down food (AD or even turkey baby food). There is also Clinicare liquid you can use. I gave my cat 6cc every 2 hours for the first couple days. More than that she would throw up. If the kitty doesn't eat they will get fatty liver disease which is also very dangerous.

Some info on syringe feeding:

http://www.assistfeed.com/feline_assisted_feeding.htm

http://virtuavet.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/how-to-syringe-feed-a-cat/

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2012, 02:49:33 PM »

Just wanted to say that I think you can do this successfully, elysmom. Years ago we had a kitty with serious pancreatitis. We were able to pull her through with home treatment. She was 15 years old at the time and had diabetes at the time, and lived a healthy life after she recovered.
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2012, 05:17:27 PM »

I know you are worried about being able to do this, but once you get started it will become much easier ! I do think you need to find a different vet who has 24 hr care because you are definitely being overcharged. That said you have no choice right now, Princess needs the care immediately.
 You may want to consider going to a home cooked or raw diet once she stabilizes. Weruva is 1 of the better pfc's, but none of them are great. The only way to know for sure what they are getting is safe is to do it yourself. Even then, human food isn't always safe either. At least you know exactly what went into it though.
 Please don't beat yourself up about feeding this food to her. We have all been through this, that's how this forum got started. It's a learning process & we are all still learning about good nutrition for them & us. Also they don't always cooperate & eat what is best for them. In which case whatever they will eat without problems becomes the best food choice there is. You are doing your best for Princess and that is all anyone can do. She knows how much you love her and we will support whatever hard decisions you need to make for her. You aren't alone, we are here for whatever you need even if it just to let some steam off. Big hugs and prayers and positive thoughts coming to you from me and my furry four.
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2012, 06:12:23 PM »

Monday, my first night without my darling animal.  Princess did not deserve this. I hope she knows how sorry I am.  If this were to be the results, I would have been better off feeding her Friskies.  My suspicion, only a suspicion, is that they are using dried chicken, which requires reconstitution with water, hence, why they all of a sudden had a soupy product.  This would explain why the cats who did eat this crap seemed to have to chew more.  A reconstituted product is never as soft as the original.  My animal is in critical condition and I am out 5K.  Screw Weruva.  i warned everyone in the waiting room about my concerns. I intend to let everyone know about my agony.  Let pet parents make an INFORMED decision.

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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2012, 06:48:38 PM »

Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers . . .
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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2012, 06:51:14 AM »

elysmom,

Can you contact Weruva? They have been very responsive in the past and I didn't talk to a CSR, I talked to the owner. I don't know if this is a widespread issue -- haven't heard about this type of reaction to their products, although, my own cat who loved the chicken, didn't like the drier consistency of the ones that were produced after a certain date. The same is true for the pouched product -- drier-looking chicken.

I don't know if it is rehydrated -- I don't think so, otherwise the consistency would be different -- more gelatinous, but the age of the chickens may be the culprit -- older hens. As far as the formula goes, I haven't checked the label or website to see if something has changed. It could be that your cat, among others, are more prone to constipation and blockage than others and the drier consistency caused that. To ensure she does have pancreatitis, your labwork should have included an fPLI and amylase should be waaaay up. If they didn't do these tests, they can't say for sure that's what she has.

Insofar as the feeding tube goes, I think they could have suggested you syringe-feed her first, so that she didn't or doesn't need the extra surgery. Many cats respond well to this. If the vet clinic you went to is not a trusted on and is clearly overpriced, there are many other clinics, even 24 hour ones, in New York. You might even be close to Blue Pearl -- a top notch clinic.

I hope she makes a full recovery and that you can get to the bottom of what has happened (to her and the food). Many prayers on the way.
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2012, 01:17:00 PM »

To All the good cat parents:  My precious angel died last night.  they resucitated her long enough for me to say goodbye.  She was blind by the time I got  there, but knew I was there.  I kissed her, told her I loved her and lost the nicest cat I ever had.  Dr. Langston et. al. could not find the cause of her sudden downturn.  Her pancretitis should not have killed her.  Both Princess vets stress not to blame myself, and do not want to blame the food either.  A necropsy would be required.  Without a necropsy, it is impossible to ever know.  All I know in my agony is that I had a well happy cat, new formula, dead animal.
There is NOTHING for Weruva to tell me.  I am burying my Princess. I am in no mood to hear some corporate spokes-hack give me some  babble.  The fact that NONE of the outdoor strays, at least 8, won't eat it speaks volumes.
The only good thing I learned is the Animal Medical's ICU was so clean, my dying angel really pampered, with a pretty pink tape on her  neck. Her cage was large and water bowl and everything just beautiful.  At least my money bought a dignified death.  In NYC, Weruva is one of the most expensive pet foods.  I wanted her to have a dignified life.  GODDAMN WERUVA. 
A grieving hearbroken Cat Mom.
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