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Author Topic: Wellness Pouches- safe?  (Read 7519 times)
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mickey
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« on: September 15, 2007, 08:35:21 PM »

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "pouch" brings bad feelings because that is the first type of recall there was. The gravy in the pouches was related to the gluten. But canned food followed, as did dry and treats.

I noticed Wellness pouches at my local store, and would like to start trying those. My kitties like the gravy style of wet food. The ingredients look good:

Chicken Broth, Chicken, Chicken Liver, Crab, Herring, Egg Whites, Oat Fiber, Carrots, Sweet Potatoes, Natural Flavor, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Tricalcium Phosphate, etcc.

Any reason to not trust pouches? I think Wellness, unfortunately, does not package their own.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 04:38:40 AM »

I haven't used them yet, because nobody in my area has them. These are brand new, though, and don't contain any glutens. Here's a discussion on them from The Cat Site (go to the last couple of pages):

http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137968&highlight=wellness+pouches
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2007, 06:52:40 AM »

I saw them yesterday while at the supply store.  I passed them by because I am afraid to try them now.    I wonder what in the plastic  pouches may leech out into the food, if anything?   Also, as mentioned previously, pouches were recalled before.   
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2007, 01:09:47 PM »

I know that we all tend to fear the pouch because some of the "cuts & gravy" style foods were in pouches when the news of the recall broke, but not all the foods in the original recall were in pouches.  Some were in cans, but what they had in common was that many were all the "cuts & gravy” containing wheat gluten to my recollection.  For instance, Science Diet recalled some of their Savory Cuts food and that was all in cans. There were even non cuts & gravy style foods recalled originally because some of those contained the wheat gluten as well. My cats liked the Nutro Natural Choice pouches prior to the recall so I have considering trying the new Wellness pouch but haven't yet.  My cats are now eating the Wellness canned foods and we have had no problems.  Wellness does not do their own manufacturing and they do use Menu Foods as well as other facilities, I think.
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mickey
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2007, 02:11:38 PM »

Exactly- the word "pouch" makes us think recall. But lots of canned and dry food was recalled. But when we hear "can" we don't fear the word like we do "pouch".

 
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2007, 02:25:16 PM »

are the pouches made at menu? i distrust them more than the pouch! they kept selling the food after complaints. they keep selling the food after test animals died. they stopped selling the food when iams threatened to go public and i lost count of their cross contamination issues . . . . .

just sayin'.

i would ask wellness what they've changed to insure safety. gluten wasn't the only problem. if they run a contaminated batch before they run the wellness . . .
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2007, 02:27:40 PM »

That's one of the reasons I thought it was really odd timing from a marketing standpoint for Wellness to introduce a pouch food. Their customers are already more aware of pet food safety than the average Cat Chow-buying public, so they should have been able to anticipate some consumer resistance to a pouch food so close to the recalls.

But, people whose cats are true cuts and gravy fiends have probably had problems finding a safe food their cats would eat enthusiastically. For that consumer segment, Wellness pouches might be just the thing. Ingredient-wise they look decent, and they use oat fiber instead of wheat gluten as a binding agent. I hesitate these days to say any food is "safe," but it looks better than a lot of the alternatives, if you're looking specifically for that style of food.

I have no idea where it's made though; that's always a factor to consider. Their canned is made at Menu.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2007, 02:37:49 PM »

I bought some of the pouches, but keep forgetting to try them.  They say "Made in USA".  The 12.5 ounce cans I buy say "Made in USA".  The 3 ounce cans say "Made in Canada" as do some of the treats.  Haven't bought the mid-size cans yet.  I saw an article in PFI digital where they said they use or have, I believe, 11 manufacturing facilities, unnamed, of course. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2007, 03:22:58 PM »

are the pouches made at menu? i distrust them more than the pouch! they kept selling the food after complaints. they keep selling the food after test animals died. they stopped selling the food when iams threatened to go public and i lost count of their cross contamination issues . . . . .

just sayin'.

i would ask wellness what they've changed to insure safety. gluten wasn't the only problem. if they run a contaminated batch before they run the wellness . . .

According to the Wellness website they insist on a complete cleaning between runs of food:
http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/wellness/aboutus_philosophy.html

I did speak to Wellness in the past and they do batch testing for contaminants. I know this doesn't guarantee anything, but thought I would point it out.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 10:32:50 AM »

You just made my day.  Wellness pouches.  I think I died and went to heaven.  My Nutro pouch addict will finally eat non kibble again.  I read the ingredients, no wheat gluten, I just hope I can get it here.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 10:41:31 AM »

Wellness told me during the recalls that their canned is made at Menu's NJ plant.

I recall another poster saying that they were told this is only for East coast distribution, but another factory made West coast products. There is a code on the bottom of the cans that tells you where it is made.

So if the pouches are made by Menu.... I'd be very leery of them.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 11:48:50 AM »

I too am skeptical.  My cats love cuts-and-gravy type food and were poisoned by Nutro (recalled) and FF Elegant Medleys (never recalled). (We are lucky because they are not as bad off as many others, since they are still in generally OK health despite some damage--knock on wood).  I have been feeding Wellness canned food with no problems, and so have many of my friends, but I have kind of a knee-jerk negative reaction when I see anything in a pouch.  How do we know that the pouch material itself is not a contamination factor too?  I would love to try this, but I just can't bring myself to do it.  I would need a lot of proof first, and more information about who produces it and the ingredient sources.  I also find pouches messy for feeding, and wonder why they don't produce a cuts-and-gravy food in a can.
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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2007, 10:48:46 PM »

I am not sure, but I think there was evidence of the toxins coming from the gluten, so there wasn't reason to suspect that it was from the pouch material. Imagine if we even thought about what our human food comes in/where it is made!
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 08:56:00 PM »

Anyone try the pouches?
My kitty licks up the gravy and leaves all the meat.
It's kinda weird how the meat is all in the same shape.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 12:54:06 PM »

Didn't know they had pouches until recently. So, I just ordered a couple of pouches in each of their flavors - will let you all know in a week or so how it went over with my super-picky furkids. (if you don't want to buy cases, and want to try one/two, I use Waggintails.com)
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