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« on: September 17, 2007, 04:44:21 PM »

http://www.petcurean.com/index.php?page_id=158

Any thoughts out there about this food? Huh
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2007, 05:11:22 PM »

Thanks for posting this Blue.  I've looked at their website a few times.  Not sold in my area.  Canadian company. 

I currently feed grain-free to my dogs and cats.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 05:26:11 PM »

For dogs or cats?

I use Wellness CORE kibble and canned for dogs and Wellness canned for the cats (grain-free).  Have used Wellness CORE kibble for the cats, too.  I'm having a little difficulty getting big bags of CORE lately.  Fairly new product for dogs, and the shops I go to haven't been ordering enough of it yet.

For dogs, I also rotate with Timberwolf Organics.  Some of their kibble is grain-free.  We use their Ocean Blue and Wild & Natural.

Hoping to find more brands for rotation purposes.  I don't want mine getting used to just one brand.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 05:27:53 PM »

Hi Blue,
    I guess I have two hesitations on this food:
1.  The named meat protein looks like it is #1 deboned turkey and then way down I think it was the #13 item of another named protein.  I think named meat proteins should be at the top of list, and it listed deboned turkey as #1 which is great but once the water is removed in processing how much of the turkey is left?
2  The other problem is potato Flour - why not just potato?
  Other than that ingrediants looked good -  Hope this helps
               
                                     kj
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 05:48:21 PM »

     this may  have already been posted before if so sorry,
    When I have wanted to check different foods , ingredients, ratings ,
I have gone to this site,  hope this helps
                             http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

      p.S. I will keep this food in mind in case the food RC is on does not work
                                Thanks
                                   KJ   
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 06:05:59 PM »

  Blue,
         Your welcome I ran across site  a little while ago, it has helped a little.
     RC is just starting out on the Orijen fish formula from champion.  I havn't written about it in the experience thread yet because within a few days I will know if it is going to settle in his stomach or not.
      Great Life looks interesting will have to look into it    Thanks!!
    I am not sure if Great Life is  in the dog food experience thread or not.
      At the top of your page there is a search engine may want to type that in, because it may have been brought up in another thread. Smiley
                        kj
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2007, 06:43:40 PM »

Blue me too!! New to this posting!!!

       WoW, diabetes  thats a tough one.   My husband is borderline and as long as he stays away from carbs, sodium, sugars he is ok   (or limits them, to a little bit)   
     At least with the pets diet they can be controlled by us.
   
      I did not see anything bad about orijen , I only saw good reports
     I also wanted to get RC off Grain,    RC also  gets home cooked but with this time of year   there is the yard work ect ect...
     I did not test personally.

     But the bottom line is getting on good diet and it sounds you are on the right track - looking into a grain less food 
     Be careful of the flour though Smiley
                  kj
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 07:54:51 PM »

  I wish we didn't have to worry either Cry

      Can you pick the ones you like and ask your vet or vet tech?

  I hesitate suggesting  one food over another because of the medical issues.

They all look good but what is going to be good %  for your guy

give it a day, someone with more knowledge than me may be able to give you some suggestions.
   Sorry I could not have helped more Undecided

                          kj   

   
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2007, 08:38:53 PM »

rcexplorer,

I'm new to posting and looked for info but didnt find much about it.  I'm considering the Orijen.  I havent seen anything BAD posted (as far as I can find anyway).  I may try them all but have them tested first.   Huh

Our dog has enjoyed one bag of Orijen Adult kibble and is now happily into a bag of Orijen Six Fish.  His coat has never looked better, although I can't really know that it is the change over to Orijen or just the fact that he has had seasonal allergy.  AAR, so far so good on the Orijen.  It took him a few days to be enthusiastic about it and now he dives into both Orijen Adult and Six Fish. 

As for the issue of diabetes, different vegetables in the same portion size for humans have different carb counts.  That is what I learned last year when diagnosed with Type II Diabetes and sent to class.  Got my numbers in line w/ diet alone.  Lots of doing the OneTouch Ultra test before and after meals, as well as fasting and bedtime glucose checks.  So I learned how to count carbs in veggies, fruits, grains, etc.  Learned how many carbs I was allowed each meal for the calories per day eating plan I had been assigned.  But are canine metabolisms like human?  I don't know.  For humans w/ Type II, small meals spread thru the day are better than eating 3 big meals.  Weight control makes a huge difference in humans who are overweight and need to drop pounds.  But other than portion control and just maybe splitting your dog's food into separate meals ea day, what humans can do for diabetes management seems much harder to do for a dog.  It seems you would have to get good advice from your vet on that.  Almost as if you need a veterinary endocrinologist!  However, there are people here on the board who have experience with diabetic dogs or who work or have worked in veterinary hospitals.  Bet you will get suggestions from them.

Going grain free alone will not necessarily take weight off your dog or be the total answer to getting his glucose readings down.  A diet lower in fat will also help, so what about the "Senior" varieties of various foods?  A number of my friends are feeding Canidae Platinum and keeping weight down in older dogs that way.  It is definitely not grain free, however.   If s/he is Type I then I'm assuming you are having to administer Insulin? 

What about home cooking for your dog?  That way you could count carbs and have more control over providing exactly what your dog needed and what you were confortable feeding at the same time. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2007, 08:59:43 PM »

I came across this....  it occurred a while back.... I would assume things have changed....

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring04/Perhach/PetFood/chemicals.htm

# Market withdrawal: occurs when a product has a minor violation that would not be subject to FDA legal action. The firm removes the product from the market or corrects the violation. For example, a product removed from the market due to tampering, without evidence of manufacturing or distribution problems, would be a market withdrawal.
From FDA

November 3, 2003

Alert to Pet Owners - Recall of Petcurean Go! Natural Pet Food

On April 8, 2004, the Center for Veterinary Medicine reclassified this voluntary recall as a market withdrawal.

On October 22, 2003, Canadian dog-and-cat food marketer Petcurean Pet Nutrition, Inc. announced an immediate voluntary recall of all Go! Natural pet food manufactured in Texas. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) continues to receive reports from veterinarians indicating an association between Go! Natural dog food, and dogs being treated for liver disease or liver failure.

FDA suggests owners who have fed their dogs this product during the months of September and October consider having their dogs checked by their veterinarian for signs of liver disease and anemia.

Recalls are actions taken by a firm to remove a product from the market. The recalled product comes in four, eight, 12 and 30-pound bags, with the recall in effect for all lot codes. Pet owners are urged to return recalled Go! Natural dog food to the place that they purchased it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 02:38:07 AM »

Blue,

I am unclear as to whether it is your dog or your cat that is diabetic, but here are 2 sites that may have some information.  There are probably more.  I also believe there are Yahoo groups you can join.

http://www.caninediabetes.org/

http://www.felinediabetes.com/

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 02:41:17 AM »

rj,

Interesting article.  Thanks.

JM
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 09:52:33 AM »

rj,

Interesting article.  Thanks.

JM


You are welcome! I've started mixing in the Orijen with both dogs and cats and they like it and I've had good results. So I can recommend those. The 6 Fish from Orijen in particular is thoroughly enjoyed :-)

Regards,

Robert
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2007, 11:48:27 AM »

I see Petcurean's Go! in the PF stores here and avoid it, with that little voice in the back of my mind tellling me that there was a problem awhile back (thanks for the reminder that it was in 2003). I do the same when I see Merrick's, despite the lovely packaging, thinking about the kosher metal tags that were found a few years back.

We're supplementing with Orijen and Orijen 6 fish for the dogs, and Orijen Cat for the (of course) cats. Lovely shiny coats, and this is the first year the dogs haven't had skin rashes. I'm sure part of their allergy is seasonal but these things can compound with food allergies. Since we switched to grain free in the spring, they've been fine. Knock wood, I don't need more vet bills.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2007, 12:21:39 PM »

   RJ,

       Thanks for the reminder Smiley

                kj
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