Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

Offly_irked

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« on: June 30, 2008, 04:14:52 PM »

Okay. Aminopterin was found by NY Labs early on in the Menu Food recall and then promptly dismissed.

Today, twice in one day I've read mention of it. Somebody please tell me what the heck is going on? Is this the tomato in the pet food tale?

Dr Wysong's press release:
http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/dr-wysongs-press-release-the-myth-of-100-complete-pet-foods-t5406.0.html;msg73399#msg73399

Now one from my State Congressman:

"Another proposal, H.R. 2108, the Human and Pet Food Safety Act, is also pending consideration in the House. H.R. 2108 is a response to the large-scale Menu Foods rat poison contamination earlier this year. Unfortunately, Menu Foods was unaware of the contamination and did not recall 60 million cans and pouches of pet food until after many animal sicknesses and deaths. As you may know, this legislation would establish new mandatory standards for both processing and ingredients, create an early warning system to better identify contaminants, and ensure future recalls are conducted more quickly. Additionally, H.R. 4040, the Consumer Product Safety Modernization Act, would strengthen consumer product safety standards and other safety requirements for children's products, while reauthorizing and modernizing the Consumer Product Safety Commission. Currently, this bill has passed the House and the Senate and is awaiting conference between the House and the Senate.

"A fourth bill, which was recently introduced in the House, is the Food Safety Recall Information Act, H.R. 5762. If passed, this bill would prohibit non ambulatory livestock from human food and would require the Secretary of Agriculture to publish the names of retailers and school districts that have purchased products such as meat or eggs subject to voluntary recall. This bill has been referred to the House Committee on Agriculture of which I am a member. Please be assured, I will continue to keep your thoughts in mind as the House continues with its legislative agenda in the 110th Congress and addresses all relevant legislation. As your representative, I welcome any further thoughts you may have on this matter ."

I've to to look at H.R.2108-1) will it repair the shortcomings of H.R.3580? Or 2) is this really a dated response.. H.R. 2108 has a Mandatory Recall section...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2108


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lesliek

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Re: Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 05:20:47 PM »

Always wondered how something could be found twice by 2 different labs & then disappear. Maybe they know something we don't.


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kaffe

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Re: Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 05:24:49 PM »

When the Menu Food recall was unfolding and a NY lab found aminopterin (quickly denied by "others"), I always thought that yes - it figures --- rats and mice go after grain and it isn't a far stretch of the imagination to think that somewhere along the looong journey of grain from field to storage, rat poison has been used to deter rodents. Angry


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catbird

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Re: Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 08:13:03 PM »

I think that rat poison (aminopterin) was likely one of many, many contaminants, which included melamine, cyanuric acid, acetaminophen, and others yet unnamed.

However, it is possible that both Dr. Wysong and the researcher who put together the report for your Congressman used the same source or sources from early in the recalls, which cited rat poison.


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Re: Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 12:13:31 PM »

Quote from: catbird on June 30, 2008, 08:13:03 PM

It seems like Dr Wysong was just referring to various contaminations in general. I know from being on the Wysong website that they are very aware of why the pet food was recalled in 2007. The other report may have been using the incorrect source from the early recalls. I see articles all the time where the information is wrong regarding the contaminants from the 2007 recall.

Of course, it is always possible that aminopterin really was part of the problem.


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Ah, the dilution factor!

Re: Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 02:53:33 PM »

http://www.meatpoultry.com/news/headline_stories.asp?ArticleID=84502
" Aminopterin, a derivative of folic acid, has been used in the past to treat cancer and to induce abortions. It is not legal in the United States or Canada, and officials say they have no idea how it might have been introduced into the pet food. Wheat gluten, which was initially suspected as a toxin source in the pet food, is still under investigation in the aftermath of the unconfirmed aminopterin results. As quoted in the New York Times, Bob Rosenberg, senior vice president of government affairs at the National Pest Management Association, said "I’ve been tracking these things for 20 years, and to the best of my knowledge, there’s never been an instance of rodenticide contaminating anything in the U.S. food supply.""

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/2007/033007FDAMelamine.html
"People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has demanded that Iams and Menu Foods also recall dry food products until they are chemically tested and cleared. PETA officials said they had received numerous complaints and they had sent an urgent letter to the FDA urging the agency to investigate Iams and other companies that sell food supplied by Menu Foods, and to take appropriate actions if the companies knew, yet withheld, information about pet-food contamination. Last week, scientists at the New York State Food Laboratory at Cornell University's College of Medicine said they had identified Aminopterin, a toxic chemical used to kill rats and treat cancer, as a toxin present in cat food samples from Menu Foods.

The toxic chemical was found in two of the three samples tested that were provided by Menu Foods. Menu uses wheat gluten to thicken the gravy in its foods.

However, the FDA said they did not find rat poison in the sample they tested.

Patrick Hooker, commissioner of the state Department of Agriculture and Markets, Said that "While we have no doubt that Melamine is present in the recalled pet food, there is not enough known data on the mammalian toxicity levels of Melamine to conclude it could cause illness and deaths in cats. With little existing data, many questions still remain as to the connection between the illnesses and what has caused them".

"We stand confident in our finding of Aminopterin and know of at least one other laboratory that has confirmed its presence, the University of Guelph's Animal Health Laboratory in Canada", Hooker said. "Since, neither Aminopterin nor Melamine are compounds that should be found in pet food, it is important for full public disclosure.

Cornell scientists had also found melamine in the urine of sick cats as well as in the kidney of one cat that died after eating wet food manufactured by Menu Foods.

"We believe the laboratories involved in this investigation should continue to maintain an open forum to definitively identify the one or more agents that are causing the deaths and illnesses of cats and dogs so that they do not enter the animal or human food chain in the future. We are committed to continuing to work closely with FDA and collaborating laboratories in sharing testing protocols and samples to ensure all possibilities are explored with the hope for a timely outcome to this situation.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminopterin
(2S)-2-[ [4-[(2,4-Diaminopteridin-6-yl)methylamino]benzoyl]amino]pentanedioic acid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methotrexate_sodium (Amethopterin)
(S)-2-(4-(((2,4-diaminopteridin-6-yl)methyl) (methyl)amino)benzamido)pentanedioic acid

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/10413333
Developmental delay in fetal aminopterin/methotrexate syndrome.

Teratology. 1999; 60(1):10-2 (ISSN: 0040-3709)
Del Campo M; Kosaki K; Bennett FC; Jones KL
Department of Pediatrics, University of California San Diego, 92103, USA.

Maternal exposures to aminopterin and methotrexate have been associated with a pattern of malformation which includes prenatal-onset growth deficiency, severe lack of ossification of the calvarium, hypoplastic supraorbital ridges, small, low-set ears, micrognathia, and limb abnormalities. We report on a patient whose mother received methotrexate during the first trimester of pregnancy and who, in addition to the structural anomalies typical of maternal methotrexate exposure, has significant developmental delay. This is the third patient exposed to folic acid antagonists with mental retardation, providing further evidence that developmental delay is one feature of fetal aminopterin-methotrexate syndrome. Therefore, it is recommended that formal developmental testing be performed in all patients prenatally exposed to methotrexate.[/i]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-30-2007/0004557052&EDATE=
No Aminopterin in Tissues of Animals Killed by Recalled Pet Food

Aminopterin Next Promising Drug in Clinical Development

AUBURN, Wash., March 30 /PRNewswire/ -- Researchers from Syntrix
Biosystems, Inc. and The University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey
(UMDNJ) announced today that there was no evidence of Aminopterin in the
tissues of animals who had died from consuming food from Menu Foods, the
manufacturer of the many brands of dog and cat food that are currently the
subject of a nationwide recall.
"We became concerned when Aminopterin was implicated as the toxin in
the recent pet food recall. The clinical pattern did not fit the known
toxicology of Aminopterin," said John A. Zebala, M.D., Ph.D. President and
CEO of Syntrix Biosystems. "We immediately reached out and offered our
expertise to other investigators in the field who had reported finding the
compound in food samples."
Using a highly specific and sensitive test for Aminopterin,
investigators at UMDNJ documented that there was no evidence of Aminopterin
in the tissues of affected animals. "Aminopterin persists in the liver of
animals for months at levels that are readily detected," said Barton A.
Kamen, M.D., Ph.D. Professor of Pediatric Oncology at UMDNJ. "Whatever is
causing the renal failure, it is not Aminopterin." These results are
completely consistent with the findings of the FDA, who announced today
that they found no evidence of Aminopterin in food samples.....

So the FDA said no aminopterin in their one sample in concert with the researchers saying none was found in tissue samples.

Voila! Nobody worries about a known teratogen being in the food supply. And we can certainly trust that lab animals from aminopterin or amethopterin research are never rendered into food products. The government tells us so.

http://itchmoforums.com/miscother-pet-discussions/one-more-reason-to-avoid-pet-food-with-rendered-ingredients-t5369.0.html

Ah, the dilution of truth factor!

Ron Paul on government/corporate collusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbi-0Tg1b_g&feature=related


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Re: Rat Poison mentioned - twice in one day????

« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 09:11:23 PM »

So, should we not be using food made by Menu??

Some of the better canned foods are made there I believe.
What to do??


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