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Author Topic: Orijen - Formula Change Causing Loose Cat Poo?  (Read 6131 times)
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« on: December 09, 2009, 09:37:32 AM »

Local retailers were unable to get Orijen a month (or so) ago.

Now the food is back in stock, so I bought a new a bag and began feeding it.

The new bag of food seems to be causing loose poo, 'cause when I stop the Orijen and use a different food, the poo gets OK.

Anyone else having problems with recently purchased Orijen?

Wonder if they've changed the formula, or something?

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 10:30:45 AM »

Here's what I've been able to find about the shortage:

http://smileydog.com/2009/10/29/orijen-shortage/

Date on this page is October 29, 2009:

We’ve been notified by our supplier that shipments of Orijen have been temporarily disrupted. This has unfortunately resulted in most of our Orijen formulas being out of stock.

If you are currently set up on auto-delivery, you will be contacted if your scheduled delivery cannot be made as a result.

We apologize for the temporary inconvenience and hope it is resolved within the next week or two.


Rocky says:
November 9, 2009 at 7:11 am
Can you please explain why Orijen shipments are “temporarily disrupted”?

Given all the problems with commercial food, is there a problems at Champion that pet owners should know about?

Could you please contact Champion and get the facts?

Many thanks.


smileydog says:
November 9, 2009 at 7:57 am
Rocky-

Thanks for your comment. I understand and share your concern.

According to the information we received, the shortage was due to a combination of factors, none of which had to do with the quality of product.

Champion had a scheduled shutdown for maintenance and upgrades, which is a regular function of any plant. It took longer than expected to get back into production as a result of flu affecting some of their staff.


Am taking it to mean that smileydog is either the owner or an employee of the store.

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=179154;article=121528;title=Doodle%20Breeders'%20Discussion%20Forum

Amy G. -- Sound LD - Seattle, WA
Orijen supply issues?
Wed Dec 2, 2009 11:57
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I stopped in the pet store this morning to pick up some Orijen kibble, and was surprised to find the shelves almost bare. The gal at the store asked if I'd heard about their "supply issues", which I had not.

Apparently Orijen will only purchase meat from their "family farms", so when those farms have problems, it means Orijen can't get the ingredients to make their product.

Has anyone else heard about this issue? I bought two bags of the regular puppy kibble (I normally buy the large breed version for my standards) and I'm considering scouring the local stores for more, but in the longer term I'm thinking of switching to another brand. I can't be doing a dietary change right when I have puppies going home! I need to use a *reliable* brand of kibble. Thoughts, anyone?

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=179154;article=121540;title=Doodle%20Breeders%27%20Discussion%20Forum

bonnie@heartsong
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6 fish and I was told that is a seasonal issue.

We have not gotten the red meat one yet either though I know it made its way through the borders, but not in volumes yet. They simply have not produced enough of this one yet.


I supplement with kibble, mostly feed regular food and have been able to get as much kibble as I need.

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=179154;article=121546;title=Doodle%20Breeders%27%20Discussion%20Forum
Dianne ~ Trinity Doodles
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Wed Dec 2, 2009 22:28
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You are correct Bonnie ~ I have been told it is with their permits and how much fish has been caught, as you said primarily influencing 6 fish. The red meat is very slow to arrive. Any short stock of other formulas and ACANA you can send thanks to red tape. We have not run out either and do as you do, simply buy extra when it is in ~ oh the value of a great relationship with your food provider (first heads up on short supply and when deliveries arrive =).

What's known is that the short supply is or was for both cat and dog food; one group claiming that it's a combination of supply of fish and meat plus red tape re: getting some flavors into the US, while someone else claims that Champion shut down longer than expected for maintenance and upgrades.
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 10:43:31 AM »

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1254952

#1254952 - 11/09/09 12:47 PM  Orijen shortage?  
TaraM1285 TaraM1285
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The feed store that I buy Tara's food from called today to inform me that the Orijen 6Fish (don't know about the other types) will not be available until April because of production problems. Anyone else hear about this?  

#1254954 - 11/09/09 12:48 PM  Re: Orijen shortage? [Re: TaraM1285]  
Barb E. Barb E.
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I heard from my friend that owns the natural pet supply store that there are issues shipping all Orijen.

#1254961 - 11/09/09 12:57 PM  Re: Orijen shortage? [Re: JerzeyGSD]  
Ruthie Ruthie
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Yes, we have had issues the last two times we stopped for food. Our feed store said they are having production issues. We buy Orijen Adult.  

#1272048 - 11/27/09 04:36 PM  Re: Orijen shortage? [Re: TaraM1285]  
Lukes Lukes
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We just got a fresh load in of the 29 lb Orijen six fish bags in with a Feb 2011, expiration. Its becoming more available again, I think they are starting to catch up with demand again.  

#1272053 - 11/27/09 04:41 PM  Re: Orijen shortage? [Re: Lukes]  
MayzieGSD MayzieGSD
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I was at Pet Supplies Plus today - they had all varieties of Orijen in stock including the new Regional Red formula. They said they had no knowledge of a shortage and had plenty in stock.

http://www.prodoggroomingsupplies.com/dog-forums/showpost.php?s=182158da837113648396fb1b5692dc4e&p=783672&postcount=12

Posted October 27, 2009

"I just recently switched from Acana to Innova (Adult Large Bites). Love the Innova! I had fed Acana for five years and highly recommended it (and loved supporting an Alberta company)...but when my puppy started having severe diarrhea apparently from a clostridium bacteria which we treated with antibiotics and a fast, I emailed them asking if they'd had any problems with their batches recently. No reply.

"Started puppy back on tiny bit of kibble with rice and boiled ground beef...diarrhea started again. Emailed again. No reply. Fasted her again thinking that we'd upset her tummy putting her back on kibble too soon. Diarrhea stopped. Then rice and ground beef, stools were firm. Then started adding small amounts of kibble again gradually. Wham! Diarrhea. Another fast...rice and ground beef. Changed foods immediately, returned the Acana for a refund.
Plus with the Acana our 100 pound puppy was supposed to get 7 cups a day...on the Innova she's getting about 5 cups, sometimes an extra cup if she's looking leaner or snacky.  So while the Acana was $50 a bag and the Innova is $69 a bag it's still cheaper in the long run. As an adult she will eat about 4 1/2-5 cups...which isn't bad for a 160 pound dog!

"(I've been in contact with Acana a couple times a year for five years...regarding feeding amounts, ingredient information, promotions, even spoke to their rep on the phone a couple of times...they ALWAYS replied in a day or two. This time, nothing--and my emails were polite and definitely didn't accuse them of poisoning my dog or anything, ha ha. Not too professional on their part and sounds quite suspicious to me. To heck with supporting an Albertan company if they can't reply to a concerned owner. )"
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 11:15:41 AM »

 Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 11:31:49 AM »

This is a copy of an e-mail the original poster at the nest forum says she recently received from Champion/Orijen:

http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/26398280.aspx

Posted on November 20, 2009

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Hello Catherine,

Thank you for your email, I’m sorry to hear that you are having problems finding the ORIJEN 6 Fish in large bags.  There are two reasons this may be happening.

ORIJEN 6 FISH is made using high inclusions of fresh (never frozen) fish that are caught wild within our region.  As our fish is fresh and not farmed, we rely on what is caught each week and of course there is no way to keep fresh fish in inventory (except of course by freezing, which would go against the concept of ORIJEN).  This limits our production capacity of ORIJEN 6 FISH in a couple of ways; first, sometimes more or less fish are caught in a single week (supply can fluctuate), and second in the total amount of fresh fish available to us (supply is limited). 

Fresh fish are therefore a limiting factor, but as the values of fresh and regional are core to our mandate, we do not want to use frozen fish and we do not want to use fish from sources outside of our region.  This means that from time-to-time ORIJEN 6 FISH will be in short or intermittent supply.  To reduce the impact of supply, we only sell ORIJEN 6 FISH in certain markets including Canada and select states in the USA. We have stopped exporting our 6 FISH formula to our overseas markets in order to better maintain supply here in North America.

We understand the problems that come from inconsistent supply and while we hope to improve, we can’t promise the supply of ORIJEN 6 FISH will ever be perfect. We can however promise that our ORIJEN 6 FISH is truly a world-class food, and that it is the only dog food in the world made with fresh, never-frozen regional fish.

The second reason is this:

Over the past month, ACANA and ORIJEN sales have vastly exceeded expectations. This has created a temporary backlog and has put our production team behind schedule.

We have increased staff, production time, warehousing and efficiencies in our factory to ensure product is shipping out as soon as possible. You should start to see an improvement in product supply within the next few weeks.


Thank you for your consideration, patience and understanding while we get production back on track.

Best Regards,

Bonnie
Customer Service
Champion Petfoods Ltd
p 780.939.6888
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 12:04:25 PM »

OK.  Just talked to Orijen.

They did change the formula.  As I understood it, they increased meat, decreased meal, increased veggies.

If I got that wrong, hopefully someone from Champion will join us and offer a better explanation.

Unfortunately, I didn't ask why the change was necessary.  The old formula was working fine, but the new food just doesn't agree with my gang.

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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 05:55:40 PM »

Oh gosh, they've changed the formula?  I wonder why they'd suddenly change the formula?

And your kitties aren't doing well on it?

Urghhhhhhhh.

Does anyone know if the new bags are marked as such?  ("New Formula" or something)
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 06:06:49 AM »

August,

There's no change in the bag that I can tell.

Would appreciate it if others would contact Orijen (877/939-0006) and ask about the change.

The "new" kibble is slightly larger and lighter in color.  Gave my gang very soft poo.  Vet sent poo samples to lab, and the results were negative, so that's when we began to suspect the food.  

Sure would be swell if PFC's would let us know when they change the formula.  You know, maybe put the info ON THEIR WEBSITE.

 Angry

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 07:31:18 AM »


The "new" kibble is slightly larger and lighter in color.  



Thanks for that information.  I'll keep my eyes out for it.



You know, actually, now that you mention it, I'm reminded that I had noticed many months ago there was a slight change in kibble shape -- they seemed to have become slightly thinner and darker.  It has been this slightly thinner and darker shape for months now (this is one of the few kibbles I can buy in Japan so my bags are possibly older than what you buy there).
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 04:19:07 PM »

I called the company today and asked about the changes.  Seems that they added more chicken and fish to the Cat and Kitten formula.
I know that my daughter's cat is experiencing some issues with the change.  I have not got a new batch yet....although they said the changes were made in the summer.  Off to the store tomorrow....so time will tell.  Have been using this food for a long time with excellent results....so I hate to think now that we will start having issues.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 09:35:37 PM »

It bothers me when companies change formulas or ingredients and dont bother to put it on the bag or tell anyone.  Dont most of them have at their websites the mantra about slowly switch to new food to avoid gastrointestinal upset?  So they can tell us to do that but dont bother to tell us when they switch formulas.   Angry

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2009, 05:02:46 AM »

Chef G,

Thanks for calling.  Hope the new formula works for you.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2009, 07:21:59 AM »

Chef G, even though they supposedly made the change this summer, its possible you are only running into that newer formual food now due to distribution...perhaps there was a supply of the old left out there and they used that up so now the stores you buy from are just now starting to sell the newer formula... Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2009, 12:21:15 PM »

I noticed the new formula with the last bag I bought about 1.5 months ago.  I held my breath and fortunately no GI issues here.  Why can't they just leave stuff alone Angry
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 01:46:00 PM »

Why can't they just leave stuff alone Angry

Right on, kittymom
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