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« Reply #210 on: July 26, 2008, 11:34:53 PM »

I had no idea they had a subsidiary type company called Sagebrush Properties, did anyone else know?  I found this also, its dated 2003.....:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_June_11/ai_103008763

Sagebrush Properties, LLC Selects the Inland Empire North for New Western Warehouse and Distribution Facility; Project Estimated to Create 200 New Jobs in the City of Victorville
Business Wire,  June 11, 2003  E-mail Print Link Business Editors

VICTORVILLE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 11, 2003

City of Victorville and Stirling Enterprises announced today that Sagebrush Properties, LLC, a company of Nutro Products, Inc., a premium pet food company has selected the City of Victorville in the Inland Empire North as the new location for its 385,000-square-foot dry dog food manufacturing, warehouse and distribution facility. Nutro Products, Inc., based in the City of Industry, Calif., has created, tested and produced quality pet food for more than 75 years. The facility will be built on a 30-acre site with construction beginning as early as September 2003. Sagebrush Properties expects to employ roughly 200 people at the complex. The terms of the transaction were not disclosed.
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« Reply #211 on: July 27, 2008, 08:03:39 AM »

I can't help but wonder if there was a plant at Wilson Way since the file of companies exporting to China showed an APHIS inspection date.
Is the Gale avenue the office section?

Before they built the new plant on Victorville they had the City of Industry location...

Maybe Lisa will incorporate the closing into her next report and will let us know what closed, if they produced canned/kibble there and what is now with Menu, and were a majority  of the complaints based on products from the City of Industry location or Victorville, etc.

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« Reply #212 on: July 27, 2008, 08:09:27 AM »

Offy, I agree, it would be wonderful to get some more answers to this puzzle....
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« Reply #213 on: July 27, 2008, 08:18:14 AM »

More on the plants:

http://www.businessfacilities.com/bf_06_03_news1.php

Business Facilities June 2003

"Having no more room to expand at its corporate headquarters in the City of Industry, CA, and following a multi-year nationwide search for the ideal location, premium pet food manufacturer Nutro Products, Inc. chose the city of Victorville as the new location for its 385,000-square-foot dry dog food manufacturing, warehouse, and distribution facility.

"The city has formed a municipal utility offering affordable and reliable power to industrial users at the city’s two industrial parks: Southern California Logistics Airport and Foxborough Industrial Park. It also is building a cogeneration power plant through which it will be able to sell low-cost electricity and steam as a byproduct of the electricity generation. The cogeneration plant is being constructed to encourage industrial expansion within the parks, and will be used by Nutro as well as by neighboring warehouse operations for ConAgra and M&M/Mars.
"When completed, Nutro’s new manufacturing and distribution center will hire approximately 200 workers ranging from research and development employees to forklift operators.

"Other major companies that have recently moved to the Inland Empire North region include Boeing, GE Transportation, Pratt & Whitney, Goodyear Tire & Rubber, and M&M/Mars."

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-california/932637-1.html

All Business July 1, 2003

"Nutro Products Inc. has finally announced its intention to locate a manufacturing and distribution facility in the city of Victorville. Company representatives indicated that they would construct the building in the Foxborough Industrial Park. Initially, the structure will be 360,000 square feet in size; however, there will be room for expansion should that be required at some time in the future.

"Nutro will begin construction of the facility in September of 2003 and occupancy is scheduled for summer of 2005. Company officials expect that upon completion some 200 manufacturing and distribution type jobs will be available to local residents.

"Nutro officials estimate that first year investment will exceed $44 million. This figure includes the estimated cost of property, construction of the facility, and salaries."

The people who built the plant & their awards:

http://www.interstatesinstrumentation.com/profile_awards.html

http://www.interstatesinstrumentation.com/profile_industries.html#petfood

"The pet food manufacturing industry continues to grow as consumers demand ever-increasing food quality for their companion animals. Interstates provides complete electrical systems design and installation, as well as state-of-the-art automation and control for both domestic and international pet food manufacturers.

"A key part of our services in this sector is enabling plant-wide automation systems to track ingredients and ensure the safety of our clients’ products."

http://www.interstatesinstrumentation.com/profile_clients.html

Petfood Plants

Iams Company
Lone Star Feeds
Nutro Products, Inc.

The builder's professional affiliations page:

http://www.interstatesinstrumentation.com/profile_affiliations.html

Link on it:

http://www.afia.org/
American Feed Industry Association (AFIA)

http://www.afia.org/Afia/AboutAFIA.aspx

"Membership includes 550 domestic and international companies; state, national and regional associations. Firms are feed and pet food manufacturers, integrators, pharmaceutical companies, ingredient suppliers, equipment manufacturers and companies which supply other products, services and supplies to feed manufacturers."

http://www.petfoodplantsolutions.com/html/about_nutro.html

"At our Victorville facility, we produce only our dry premium pet food products (dry kibble). In addition to Victorville, we have a plant operating in Tennessee."

http://www.petfoodplantsolutions.com/html/about_our_plant.html

"In 2005, we built our state of the art pet food production plant in Victorville. Nutro has another, substantially similar, state-of-the-art facility in Tennessee, which, like our Victorville facility, is located near upscale homes (at approximately the same distance from the plant).

"Nutro uses only high quality ingredients, virtually all of which arrive at the Victorville facility in dried meal form. We also use oils and related products to meet stringent nutritional requirements.

"No animal carcasses or animal parts are used in producing any of our pet foods in Victorville or at any of our other facilities.

"The ingredients, consisting of grains and dried lamb and chicken meal, are mixed together with oils and flavors, cooked and extruded into pellets which are dried and packaged for shipment and sale.
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And now we return to the Hill's legal challenge of Nutro's ads for their "Lite" foods:

http://www.adlawbyrequest.com/_db/_documents/NAD,_Nurtro_Products.pdf

August 21, 2007

Page 4

"The challenger (Hill's) took issue with the advertiser's (Nutro) explanation that the high MEC values obtained by the challenger's testing might be linked to temporary product irregularities caused by Nutro's switchover from its Wilson Way production facility to new factories.  The challanger argued that it was unlikely that the samples it tested all came from the Victorville, CA plant, as opposed to Nutro's other production facility in Lebanon, TN, which, argued the challenger, the advertiser admitted has produced its "lite" dry products continuously since 1996."

Here's the outcome of the challenge from Pet Age's December 2007, issue:

http://www.petage.com/news120703.asp

"The National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus (New York) in September recommended that Nutro Products Inc. (City of Industry, Calif.) modify advertising claims for its “lite” pet food products to conform to industry standards established by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (Oxford, Ind.).

"The advertising claims, concerning Natural Choice Lite and Natural Choice Small Bites Lite., were challenged by Hill’s Pet Nutrition Inc. (Topeka, Kan.).

"According to Hill’s, Nutro lacked a reasonable basis for its “lite” product claims, because the products substantially exceeded the maximum calorie allowance for “lite” pet food according to certain industry guidelines.

"In response, Nutro said that AAFCO had no requirements for pet food products designated “light” or “lite” when it introduced Natural Choice Lite in 1994. The manufacturer designated the products in question as “lite” because contained less fat and protein than other Nutro dry dog foods, both then and now.

"Furthermore, Nutro noted that temporary manufacturing irregularities at its plants had allowed the unauthorized addition of fat to the “lite” pet food products, skewing the results of certain product tests performed by the challenger. The company presented evidence that the irregularities had been corrected.

"Following its review of the evidence, the NAD determined that the Nutro products in question did not meet the industry standard, established by AAFCO, for “lite” pet food products. Although the products may be described as “reduced calorie,” as compared to the company’s other dry dog foods, they are not accurately described as “lite.”

"Consequently, NAD recommended that Nutro take immediate steps to ensure that its “lite” dry pet food products do not exceed AAFCO calorie limits for “lite” products, and that it immediately cease labeling these products as “lite,” “light” or any other similar designation until such steps have been taken.

"Nutro “respectfully disagree[d]” that its current formulation of Natural Choice Lite product exceeds the caloric guidelines promulgated by AAFCO.
Nevertheless, the company said, “[We will] take all of NAD’s suggestions into account for [our] future advertising and make any necessary modifications in accordance with NAD’s recommendations so that [our] Natural Choice Lite product continues to comply with AAFCO guidelines.”

"According to Lou Nicolaides, marketing and communications manager for Nutro Products, the NAD ruling concerned previous formulas of Natural Choice  Lite and Natural Choice Small Bites Lite. “Natural Choice Lite and Natural Choice Small Bites Lite currently meet all AAFCO regulations regarding ‘light’ or ‘lite’ pet foods,” he added." [December 2007 PET AGE]


Note that it's a given that the "lite" products did NOT comply with AAFCO guidelines for "lite" food.
Nutro tried getting around the issue by claiming that when these products were introduced and labeled as "lite" before there were AAFCO guidelines for a "lite" designation.  The products, though were produced and labeled that way from 1994 on--despite the addition of "lite" criteria by AAFCO and the fact that their foods did not meet that criteria.  They made no move to change anything about their "lite" formulas or their package labeling until 2007, when caught in the act by competitor Hill's.

Also note here in the Pet Age article that in spite of all the facts, Nutro continued to assert that their "lite" products--without modification to formulas or labeling--WERE meeting the AAFCO definition of "lite"--even after this was proven false.

This company appears to be truth-challenged all the way around. 

It's also interesting to note that the builder of the Victorville facility says above it contains state of the art safety and ingredient tracking systems.  So why can't Nutro just publish the data from its process control automation systems?
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« Reply #214 on: July 27, 2008, 08:18:47 AM »

I guess what concerned me the most is the date of the inspection at Wilson way... that was BEFORE, and  I truly mean just Days before, the recall period hit: 3/07/2007  APHIS Last Validated Inspection Date

I haven't looked up the date of the first Nutro products recalled and am curious about the timing, if the reasons for the inspection were related.. etc.

Did that play any part of that closing? I haven't found any type of inspection report yet..wonder if a FOIA request would help?
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« Reply #215 on: July 27, 2008, 04:24:34 PM »

There is another story -an update- on this blog
"Answers from Nutro"


http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/caninevitality/archives/144474.asp
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« Reply #216 on: July 27, 2008, 05:28:33 PM »

Whew! I feel so much better about it all now....... Roll Eyes 


That aside, I was wondering if anyone knows what toxins or chemicals are tested for at Expertox?  It would be nice if it was at all possible to have a list of the toxins, chemicals they test for....I seem to remember at one point reading it was as much as 200?  Perhaps Don might know more on that?  One that has crossed my mind is cadmium in relation to these reports of sick dogs at Consumer Affairs...

Ya know, this is just more reason to have some sort of early warning system in place and I think it should be a place where not only vets can report to but pet parents and it should report in to some agency, maybe CVM.  This needs more than just pet parents trying to figure out whats going on and the pfc saying everything is fine.  Someone needs to take these reports seriously and it doesnt appear anyone is.  How is this any different than right before the recalls of 2007?
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« Reply #217 on: July 27, 2008, 08:03:07 PM »

Don, thanks for that info.  Can you say what lab you are using on these?  I read somewhere that high doses of cadmium can cause symptoms similar to what is being reports for the dogs at CA's site....and then I also read that it has some sort of interaction with too much copper.....interesting stuff.  This site DH found is a great site regarding chemicals, toxins, etc....http://www.inchem.org/
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« Reply #218 on: July 28, 2008, 07:16:06 AM »

LOL Don,  I can only speak for my household, but DH doesnt post alot because DW is on all the time & is somewhat hoggy with the internet thingy!    Wink   

If I can find the things I had read about cadmium and copper, I will post the links, it was a while ago that I recall reading it........thanks again for everything you are doing to help furbabies.
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« Reply #219 on: July 28, 2008, 07:46:11 AM »

Don, a couple things that I found is that cadmium can potentially be related to hyperthyroid in humans when combined with high levels of mercury:

http://www.ithyroid.com/cadmium.htm

And this is pretty good about cadmium, its some pretty wicked stuff:

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecfa/jecmono/v024je09.htm

And there is this power point presentation to vetmed students by a feed supplier which was kind of interesting.  Is cadmium allowed in commerical pet food?  http://rover.vetmed.lsu.edu/student/2007/classes/nutrition_la/FeedReg2005.ppt
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« Reply #220 on: July 28, 2008, 08:54:38 AM »

Wouldn't it make life a lot easier if the pf companies would just come clean and tell us the truth?  When I was still teaching in the public schools, one of the first "life lessons" I shared was about telling the truth. 

Don't lie!  When you get caught (and you will) you lose the other person's trust and may never regain it.  My fifth graders got it, how about the pfi?

Just a sad and pathetic state of affairs IMHO   Embarrassed Undecided Embarrassed Angry
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« Reply #221 on: July 28, 2008, 11:53:24 AM »

catmom5 couldn't agree more. Keep on lying to the pet lovers and they will just continue to not be interested in your products and hold them as suspect and not safe to feed the lil furbabies. Anyway I'd rather have them lie then we know who not to buy from or trust.
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« Reply #222 on: July 28, 2008, 10:56:28 PM »

   Although a delicious southern food (fried green Tomatoes), we should not consume green Tomatoes.  And never eat the leaves or stems of Tomatoes. "

                    http://www.deliciousorganics.com/Controversies/nightshade.htm

                                        kathy

Kathy, I will definitely look into that, I knew about the stems and leaves, but never considered green tomatoes.  Living here in the south, they are something of a rare delicacy we have at BBQ's, etc.  I love them.  But will do more research.
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« Reply #223 on: July 28, 2008, 11:00:59 PM »

     I also wonder about the green tomatoes.  I know that many people pickle them, and they are sold commercially pickled as well.  I have eaten many of them in my lifetime and never experienced any problems.  I do know that the stems and leaves are toxic, but never heard anything about the tomato itself.   Huh
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« Reply #224 on: July 28, 2008, 11:36:57 PM »

There was a discussion here about green tomatoes somewhere, and I think it was on a thread that actually started with potatoes and went into every aspect of the nightshade family. I don't eat fried anything now, but I have downed plenty of fried green tomatoes in my time. (I'm not so healthy though.) Grin Sad

This is the thread

http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/gmo-potatoes-t2302.0.html

The information on green tomatoes is on one of the links in this thread but I'm not sure which one.
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