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« Reply #135 on: July 15, 2008, 09:48:57 AM » |
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It goes on and on, doesn't it?
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« Reply #137 on: July 15, 2008, 01:51:27 PM » |
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AAAARGH! Do the Nutro people not think that this vet and others will share these experiences? Guess they think they're pulling something over on us . . . never again!!
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« Reply #138 on: July 15, 2008, 02:03:14 PM » |
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Arlo, I am absolutely shocked that Nutro would dismiss this vet's concerns like that! This is a professional making valid enquiries to a company than makes petfood for pets he treats everyday! I have no words to express my disgust with that Nutro rep! It really reflects so poorly on the company he represents!
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« Reply #139 on: July 15, 2008, 02:50:07 PM » |
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Sounds like a good guy ~ too bad the vet associations can't bring some pressure to bear on these "food" producers. Sounds like feeding our pets (even ourselves) is a bit of a crap shoot anymore. No wonder our poor critters are having such digestive problems.
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« Reply #140 on: July 15, 2008, 07:19:03 PM » |
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Arlo the coverup just goes on and on and gets deeper and deeper. Can't wait for the proof to surface indicating what is it in the food that is doing this to the pets? This company could very well be hiding something that only absolute proof and a class action lawsuit will bring forth the truth as to what disabling ingredient(s) are harming pets. Pls let me know if there is ever a class action suit in the making as I want to be included to represent my dog.
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« Reply #141 on: July 16, 2008, 06:41:03 AM » |
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http://www.wrestling-news.com/artman/publish/article_3760.shtmlBob Barker always said you can control the Pet population by having your pet spaded. Sadly Don Tony discovered another way. Feed your pet Nutro brand dog food. A serious warning to pet owners feeding their pets Nutro brand food. And a serious legitimate threat towards the store that sold him poisoned food (link: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/06/pet_food_recalls98.html)..This was on this weeks'---I'm off to listen now ...
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« Reply #142 on: July 16, 2008, 07:26:52 AM » |
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He mentions Don Earl of pfpsa.org sent him the CA article and he is really mad---he chose different words...I still don't know if the food was from the recall dates or it was the same as the complaints at CA now...he states he wants a public apology from the pet store where he bought it and if he doesn't get one he will force feed Nutro dog food packets to the first clerk he sees at the store...... it is really strong language still----sorry but an upset pet owner is an upset pet owner and I will overlook his vocab again! of course I should have typed Don Earl of pfpsa.org and Itchmoforums!  Glad you're one of us Don. |
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« Reply #143 on: July 16, 2008, 08:38:41 AM » |
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Dr. K. called the company himself. The rep denied there were any problems with the food, told him it was a big internet hoax, and in his words, treated him like a crackpot reporting an alien abduction.
This is no different from Natura's response to us of "no other complaints", "no problems" and Midwest Labs' response that it was a "hoax and propaganda". |
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« Reply #144 on: July 16, 2008, 10:28:19 AM » |
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Dr. K said Nutro is not the only company with problems. He feels they're all changing factories, vendors of ingredients, formulations, etc., causing so much variation that pets almost need to be transitioned lot-to-lot. And these lovely companies are not notifying vets of the changes. How can he recommend food, when next month it may be different. He does farm calls and is seeing feed issues, too. He said the pet food and feed companies tell him it's not a problem.
 this is what I had seen and then asked my vet and got the same answer ... one company has changed formulas 3 times just this year ( it is JULY??? |
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« Reply #145 on: July 16, 2008, 11:37:43 AM » |
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And, thanks to the AAFCO standards, they don't have to do any feeding tests, they don't feel obligated to change the bag labels or put it on their websites.. our pets are the guinea pigs.
I have used "good" pet food and then it changed (to the negative side) - that is upsetting & nerve wrecking. That's why I have worked so hard to get several foods my cats will eat... If those all go to the negative, I have no clue what I will do.
Since the pet food companies opted to use the word "hoax" so easily, I'm inclined to think that they know that is what THEY are doing to pet owners- and they seem very experienced at it.
I still have to say that NV has handled issues far better than Nutro, Natura, Evanger's or anybody else to date.
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« Reply #146 on: July 16, 2008, 03:02:43 PM » |
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well, cyanuric acid in food that was manufactured before the supposed melamine/ca incident starting in Nov 06...unopened cans....hard to dispute this Nutro!  thanks for your site Don! |
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« Reply #147 on: July 16, 2008, 03:16:39 PM » |
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Cameo was right!!!!!
Suddenly in about Feb or Mar 2006 Cameo (she's very savvy; a Katrina rescue) began refusing the canned Nutro. I thought it was just because she was no longer starving and could afford to become more "picky". I now believe this is when the contaminants first showed up, and that she knew it.
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« Reply #148 on: July 16, 2008, 03:25:40 PM » |
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to know what CA may be doing to our pets... http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Cyanuric_Acid-9923614Toxicity to Animals: Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 3400 mg/kg [Mouse]. Acute dermal toxicity (LD50): >5000 mg/kg [Rabbit]. Chronic Effects on Humans: Not available. Other Toxic Effects on Humans: Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion, of inhalation. Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Not available. Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans: May cause cancer based on animal test dataSpecial Remarks on other Toxic Effects on Humans: Acute Potential Health Efects: Skin: May cause skin irritation. Eyes: Causes mild eye irritation. Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. Ingestion: May cause irritation of the digestive tract. May decrease the appetite.Chronic Potential Health Effects: p. 4 Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated ingestion may affect the kidneys, metabolism (anorexia/weight loss).The toxicological properties of this substance have not been fully investigated edited to add: This Ones in red REALLY caught my attention.. |
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“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” — Margaret Mead
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« Reply #149 on: July 16, 2008, 03:39:27 PM » |
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Some of the things Im curious about, the food tested was prior to the period Menu Foods said ChemNutra took over as their supplier, so who was supplying the ingredients prior to ChemNutra, where did this cyanuric acid come from? As far as toxicity, I have yet to find any documentation of long-term studies done to show what the true affects would be on companion animals and irregardless it doesnt belong in pet food. Judging by the info above, it certainly wouldnt be a good thing to have in anyones food, let alone little kitties. Cats need protein, not cyanuric acid that would have replaced some of the protein. Catbird, Im so glad Cameo refused it. In case anyone needs to know about the dates on the cans, they are manufactured 3 years prior to the best by date: http://www.nutroproducts.com/faqcat.shtml#codeHow do you read the canned food code dates?
A. Due to technical advances in materials the expiration dates for cans produced after March 31, 2004 will be three years from date of manufacture.
Here is an example of the coding:
1st Line: BEST BY MMM DD YY
2nd Line: Contains manufacturing information: i.e., plant, line and time
Where: MMM = Month of Production
DD = Day of Production
YY = Year of Production + 3
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A can manufactured on May 31, 2004 would be coded: BEST BY MAY 31 07 |
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