Itchmo Forums for Cats & Dogs Brought to you by Itchmo: Essential news, humor and info for cats, dogs and pet owners.
October 31, 2020, 11:30:48 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News:
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register  

Go To Itchmo.com: Read the latest cat, dog and pet news, pet food recall info, product reviews and more — updated daily.


Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
Author Topic: Natures Variety Venison Instinct -white flecks  (Read 12896 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Mark T
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 365


« on: October 04, 2009, 01:36:20 PM »

I just opened a can of NV Venison Instinct ( 051511 23UNM3 1737 ) and found white flecks throughout its contents. The flecks are the size of a pinhead, small, soft and very many of them. They do not feel gritty and they do not feel or look like fat. This is the first time I have ever seen this.

Two things:

one: can anyone hazard a guess as to what this is, based on their past experience? I am wondering if I got more than my fair share of premix in this can.

two: I shall email NV about it. But first can anyone suggest the best approach to wording an email so I get a useful answer? I have contacted PFCs in the past and have received "do not worry its just a little ........" type replies, which are basically useless.

I can attach a photo if anyone is interested.
Logged
catbird
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 9410


Never underestimate the power of crazy cat ladies!


WWW
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 01:45:40 PM »

I have seen the ground bone in Instinct (and also NV frozen raw diets) look similar to what you describe, especially when the food dries a little.  But that may not be what you have encountered.  I believe someone else on the forum found something similar to what you are reporting awhile back; perhaps the person who posted it, or one of the researchers, can find the thread for you.
Logged

The problem with cats is that they get the exact same look on their face whether they see a moth or an axe-murderer--Paula Poundstone
Mark T
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 365


« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 12:22:22 PM »

catbird: I thought it might be bone too except that I did not think PFCs used the bone. Also NV mentions only using the meat on their ingredient explanation. I just opened another can and there was no sign of specks at all.

But then I opened a can of Ziwi Peak Venison and there are the same white specks, so it could be bone. Maybe I am just paranoid!

Anyway, I'll see what NV says about it.
Logged
JustMe
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 10517


My RB Angels Elvis, 1991-2010, and Twit, 2001-2010


« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 12:39:31 PM »

Mark T:  I would like to see the photo that you mentioned.  I've found soft white flecks in their venison dog food.  Have also seen the soft white flecks in their canned beef.  When smooshed between fingers, it becomes almost powdery, making me think it is some sort of premix.  Have also seen it in other brands of grain-free.  I've also encountered tiny pieces of bone in most of the grain-free canned foods, very, very tiny.  So, would like to see your photo. 
Logged

Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
mainecoonpeg
Guest
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 12:42:11 PM »

Could be speckles of fat.
Logged
Sandi K
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 7365


« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 07:10:00 AM »

Mark T, if you are paranoid, its because no one feels they can trust these companies anymore...and after all the recalls and withdrawals we've all seen, I dont think you are paranoid at all...just being careful as we all have to do nowadays.  We cant trust the companies will tell us when and if something is wrong with their food, with the Diamond and Nutro recalls, it is showing they all can quietly pull product from shelves and we wouldnt know a thing because they dont seem interested in notifying people who bought it....wow!  sorry for the morning rant, I must be charged up today!  LOL  Grin  Anyhow, I hope NV is responsive to your questions. 


catbird: I thought it might be bone too except that I did not think PFCs used the bone. Also NV mentions only using the meat on their ingredient explanation. I just opened another can and there was no sign of specks at all.

But then I opened a can of Ziwi Peak Venison and there are the same white specks, so it could be bone. Maybe I am just paranoid!

Anyway, I'll see what NV says about it.
Logged
Mark T
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 365


« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 08:51:52 AM »

Sandi K thanks for the morning rant  Smiley I share your feelings.

Mainecoonpeg, it might be fat, but I would expect it to migrate into globs during the heating process and not look so pure white. When I took some photos this morning I found a whole lot of this whitish stuff down the side of the can and it did not feel greasy fat to me. It looks more like ground bone or premix

JustMe, I put some photos on Flickr.    http://www.flickr.com/photos/43278019@N04/

You can see photos at full size by double clicking, then clicking on "ALL SIZES" at the top left of each pic


Logged
bug
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4905

RIP little angel Katey


« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 09:18:29 AM »

Just looked at the photos and went to the website to check out the ingredients. Lecithin granules look like that. Mom used to get it from the health food store and add it to the food. If it isn't mixed into solution properly, they look like little beads. I don't think I've run across a can of venison food of any brand that looked like I should feed it. See what NV has to say. They've been very good at answering my questions in the past.

Ingredients: Venison, Pork Liver, Water, Flaxseed, Peas, Carrots, Lecithin, Vitamins ...

Lecithin is way up there in quantity. But it could be ground bone.

ETA: Super nice-looking cats!
« Last Edit: October 06, 2009, 09:21:04 AM by bug » Logged

My little babies, you'll always be in my heart. Mom will see you later. Look after each other, ok?
JustMe
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 10517


My RB Angels Elvis, 1991-2010, and Twit, 2001-2010


« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 10:09:57 AM »

Gorgeous kitties, Mark T.

Your food photos do resemble some foods I have used, but it is difficult to tell.  I've seen something similar in Wellness Beef & Chicken feline in different batches and dates, and there is no lecithin listed on the labels for that particular food, but who knows if they do contain lecithin.  So for the foods I've seen it in, I'm still thinking possibilities are premix or Peg's theory of fat.  I only see those in certain foods, not the whole line of Instinct nor the whole line of Wellness grain-free.  Did you try putting some between your fingers and rubbing your fingers together to see if it pulverizes?  I put mine in a plastic bag and did that and it seemed to disintegrate.  Will be interesting to see what Nature's Variety says.  The amount of specks I've seen in one can varies. 

Logged

Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
Mark T
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 365


« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2009, 01:04:03 PM »

Thanks for everyone's replies and compliments on our kitties. I let them know but there was little response except from our gray kitten who purred loudly, but then again he was probably just hungry.

JustMe, yes I did pick out some white specks and rub them. They are soft and not gritty, much as I would expect cooked bone to feel. There is some fat in the can but it is brown and not pure white.

bug, I had not noticed lecithin in the ingredients - that's interesting. They do not say what their lecithin is derived from on their site, though they do say it is found in many foods including eggs. The cheapest source is from soy.

I expect I'll have an answer soon. The one time I emailed them before it took a few days.

This question is becoming more academic by the day as we move to homemade food. I am not a hunter but if I was I could harvest everything I needed and prepare it without leaving our property. We see deer, wild turkey, rabbits, chicken, possum, you name it, pass through our field on a daily basis. But I could never bring myself to kill them. It is much easier going to the store!

JJ, all the photos were taken in the past week, the gray kitten is 10 weeks old. There is just one photo of him.





Logged
Mark T
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 365


« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 11:10:47 AM »

OK, so I know what the white flecks are in the NV venison and, for that matter, ZiwiPeak venison products. They are fat.

NV sent me a very pleasant email in answer to my questions. They (or I guess whoever processes their product, Menu F I recall but I maybe wrong) debone the venison but say a little ground bone may still find its way in.

They say that dense dark meats like venison and beef sometimes show white flecks of fat after cooking. So Maincoonpeg, you were right!  While I, with my open scientific mind, had completely ruled out fat.

A simple test confirmed it. I heated the end of a nail and touched it to several white flecks - they melted and went clear. Bone would not have done that.

So that's good, question answered.

bug: no, no wild boar here though I can add foxes and coyote to my list.

JJ,  I was about to make a comment about Round Up Ready, but I'll keep it to myself. As my mother said, if you don't have something nice to say, then ......

I'll put up some more pics of our cats in the next day or so... thanks for the compliments. We seem to have been fairly lucky with our cats past and present in that they all get along with each other.

Logged
jenny
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 508


« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2009, 02:28:17 PM »

Glad you figured it out.  I was going to say  I've been using the Ziwipeak Venison for quite a while and see the white stuff all the time. I wondered what it was, but never really thought about it. Wilson has done fine with it.  It's easy to worry, though.
Logged
5CatMom
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 454


« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 08:33:04 AM »

Mark T,

Maybe try warming a bit of the food in the microwave for a few seconds.  If it's fat, the white flecks should soften or melt, I believe.

Last year, we had a similar problem with NV.  The white flecks wouldn't melt (they were gritty feeling), and NV couldn't explain.

The bottom line:  We stopped using the food.



5CM
« Last Edit: November 26, 2009, 08:35:30 AM by 5CatMom » Logged

What is man without the beasts? If the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. For whatever happens to the beasts, soon happens to man. All things are connected - - - Chief Seattle

We are the caretakers of our creatures . . . the peacekeepers of our planet
Mark T
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 365


« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2009, 04:50:05 PM »

5Cat, it turned out that it was fat in our cans, nothing wrong with it, just the way the fat formed during cooking.

Interestingly, I bought a can of NV venison the other day (I don't know why because the ZiwiPeak Venison looks and smells much better and our cats prefer it and it works out cheaper too!)

Anyway, I opened it and it was very hard, not much moisture. So I added some water and put it down. No one wanted to eat it, even our new kitten who will devour your shoes if you let him. So that's the last can of NV venison I buy. They must have changed something in it.
Logged
Sandi K
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 7365


« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2009, 06:07:02 PM »

5cat, did you ever find out what all that white stuff was? It looks alot whiter and grittier than most of the "white flekcs" one see's from time to time in cans.  It really looks like perhaps vitamin pre-mix that hasnt been thoroughly mixed in and even though it might not be a problem, it begs the question, why didnt it get mixed and in and why didnt quality control catch it, or did they and they just didnt think people would question it when opening a can? 
Logged
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Copyright 2007 Itchmo.com: Read the latest cat, dog and pet news, pet food recall info, product reviews and more — updated daily.
Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines | Sitemap