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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 05:52:30 PM »

Another article from Purdue...about the health concerns of oxidized fat..... why didn't they look at the oxidation numbers (PV Value) before it was used? The higher the PV value the lower the shelf life. Are they being sabatoged? Or did they get a good price on the fat? I understand fat is one of the highest priced parts of the ingredients. Did they try to use a different fat source due to the increase in prices in the market?

http://www.foodsci.purdue.edu/news/showarticle.cfm?id=18

So no one smelled something was wrong by using rancid fat?
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 06:17:08 PM »

One more bit of information on oxidized fat...

"Fat spoilage (oxidation) decreases the nutritional quality of the food, makes it less palatable to the dog, and can even make it unsafe to eat."

This article was in reference to dogs, but would also apply to cats.

http://www.executec.com/nutra.htm

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2008, 07:14:58 PM »

At first it was "nutrient dense". Now "Oxidation". So if fat spoilage (oxidation) decreases the nutritional quality of the food, how can it be nutrient dense?Huh
It's crumbly, dark colored and smells bad. It causes gas, diarrhea and vomiting. What did/is Chenango Valley putting in Nature's Variety bags? We know it's not edible dog/cat food.
 
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2008, 07:39:18 PM »

We had a "problem" last month with Nature's Variety Instinct kibble for cats.  Our two bengal cats had previously eaten this kibble enthusiastically as part of our dry rotation.  We were about 7 - 10 days into a gradual kibble switch to the NV Instinct.  Both cats began to eat less and less during that time, and one cat even lost a small amount of weight.  Something about the kibble didn't seem "quite right" to me.  Usually, it smelled like chicken but this bag (Exp. Date: June 19/08) smelled kind of "bland".  It actually had a "grain-like" smell to me - like cattle feed from when I lived on a farm!?  We stopped using it, and both cats' appetites quickly returned to normal, and the cat that lost a little bit of weight regained it.  I emailed NV on Mar. 13/08 - never heard a thing from them!!
To quote what someone so aptly stated on the forum in another thread - "It saddens me when a used-to-be-good pet food goes down the QA sinkhole"!!!  That pretty much sums it up for me!!
I, too will be crossing NV off my list of acceptable cat foods!! 

"Fool me once - shame on you.  Fool me twice - shame on me."  Not gonna happen to this pet purrent!!!!! Angry
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2008, 08:17:24 PM »

At first it was "nutrient dense". Now "Oxidation". So if fat spoilage (oxidation) decreases the nutritional quality of the food, how can it be nutrient dense?Huh
It's crumbly, dark colored and smells bad. It causes gas, diarrhea and vomiting. What did/is Chenango Valley putting in Nature's Variety bags? We know it's not edible dog/cat food.
 

I wonder if the fat issue is why Nutro has had so many bad smells coming out of their plant....if the PV is to high it will smell bad when being made.....there is no getting around it. And some cats who don't have good sniffers but just eat whatever, what kind of health impact are they going to see if they ate this food from NV? Just like the dogs with the gas, diarrhea, vomiting? According to the research - bad food can be toxic (see my prior posts with links).

I'm just getting the feeling, in my opinion, that using the term "oxidized fat" is just a PC way of saying rancid fat - just pretty word dressing.

You bring up a really good point about nutrient dense when the studies show the nutritional value is reduced when rancid fat is used. Makes me wonder.

The PV value issue is one of the reasons my pet food company had to keep rejecting beef and pork. They would not allow it in the food because it is not safe and when they could not get good quality beef and pork they had to reformulate with more chicken. So the bad stuff never made it into my food. Reputation is everything.

I am glad Sandy make the announcement on the website and I wonder if the new QC Manager they were hiring is the one that started catching this stuff. I would say heads should roll on this or at least stop all production and do a training session on what QC processes are like Starbucks did with their coffe shops.

The whole process of making food has so many checks along the way (even before mixing the ingredients). I just can't imagine what the manufacturing plants are doing to miss these things.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2008, 07:07:43 AM »

All:

I sent the e-mail below to Robert Davis's e-mail address (robert.davis@nodogban.com provided publicly on a previous post) immediately after we posted the information on our web site.  Apparently it got caught in a junk mail filter or otherwise didn't make it to him.  This was sent on Thursday, 4/3/2008 at 5:52 pm CDT.

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Robert:

We have just posted the information below on our web site.  You seem to be plugged in to Itchmo.  Rather than me just starting a new thread, I thought I would send this to you and let you post it as a news item or a thread.

This reflects the respect we have for the role you and Itchmo have come to play in informing pet owners about pet food issues.

As a personal aside, I just noted your web site name and the tag line on your postings.  During the course of the postings last time, I wondered to myself why those who post on Itchmo don’t also get after the over breeding issue.  And so you do!

Please e-mail me with any questions.

Best regards,

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04-03-2008
Prairie Lamb Meal and Oatmeal Medley for Cats

Information for our Customers

Nature’s Variety has withdrawn distribution of Prairie™ Lamb Meal and Oatmeal Medley for Cats with the “best if used by” dates of 12/20/08 and 1/25/09. If you purchased a bag of Prairie Lamb Meal and Oatmeal Medley for Cats with those specific “best if used by” dates, please return it to the store for a replacement or refund. The “best if used by” dates are located on the back of the package.

Please be assured, this withdrawal does not involve health risks to cats.  At Nature’s Variety, we want to insure that all of our products meet our high quality standards.  We have found the affected products to be unacceptable because to the following reasons.

•   The products with a “best if used by” date of 12/20/08 have an unacceptable level of oxidized fat.  Oxidation may create an unusual odor.  It is very likely that you will notice the smell immediately and that your cat would be sensitive to the smell and will not attempt to eat this food.
•   The products with a “best if used by” date of 1/25/09 have an unacceptable appearance – this kibble is quite crumbly and very dark in color.  Again, this unusual appearance will likely be instantly evident to you, and it is unlikely that your cat would eat this food.

Our distributor and retailer partners have been notified of this issue, and we have prevented some from ever reaching your retail store shelf.  If, however, you have purchased one of these affected products, please return it to your retail store for a full refund or replacement.

The issues described here relate to our previously identified production challenges during late-2007 and early-2008.  As explained previously, we have taken multiple action steps to continually improve and assure the quality of our products for your special pet. 

We regret this situation, and we apologize for any inconvenience it has caused you.  If you have any questions or concerns, do not hesitate to contact us by clicking CONTACT at the top of the Nature’s Variety home page (www.naturesvariety.com).  Someone from our team will be happy to respond to you as quickly as possible. 

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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2008, 07:28:26 AM »

Sandy,

You can also post the link/information yourself or send it to me via personal message and I will post it on this forum.

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2008, 07:42:44 AM »

Sandy, thank you for coming in.  Would you be able to explain why the info with the cat food is just now coming out when the problem with the dog food was detected back on 2-27 (or at least that is when it was posted on your site)?  I have to say that its really frustrating.  We have a juvenile cat who is immune-compromised and it has taken alot of time and effort on our part to keep her as healthy as possible.  It doesnt take much to set her over the edge.  I came very close to feeding this food, we bought some and the batch date is only one week before the dates you mention.  We did feed some of your grain-free dry awhile back that she had some problems with, whether it was food-related or not is an unknown.  We found out thru a person at Itchmo about this most recent food problem, not thru your site.  Why is this, once again, not being made more aware to the public?  When there is a known problem with your facilities and additional problems arent announced for over a month, it doesnt show enough concern in my mind.    We cant take any risk with this kitten.  Can you see how bad this could be for people in our situtation, let alone for someone that has a healthy cat?  Im just wondering why the problem with the cat food wasnt found at the same time as the problem with the dog food and if it was something obvious we as pet owners should be able to see with the food, why didnt your people catch it?  Note that not everyone knows what it should look like, especially if we are new to your food.  I am sorry to sound so negative but it really is a scary thing when you just about feed some food that could possibly make your pet sick, toxins or not, its too much of a reminder of the 2007 pet food recall and in my mind, could have been avoided.  If something like this can slip thru the cracks, then what else can in the future?  These are thoughts and worries that come naturally to my mind after losing our dear beloved kitty last year to the tainted food.  Thank you for hearing me out.
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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2008, 08:25:08 AM »

Hi Sandy!

Thank you for the email message. I did not get that. And unfortunately I just click the delete button next to the Spam folder since so much gets caught in it - I use google apps service for the mail.

Send me a PM and I will add you to my address book so I don't miss your messages :-) I really like that you tried to communicate with me prior so I could let our Itchmo friends know. I've been very worried about all this wondering quite frankly what is gonig on with the employees at the plants not catching these things. But it sounds like it was all related to the prior issues but just with the cats and not batches of food going forward.... i.e. the processes you have been implementing would take care of the concerns we had prior.

And SandiK you bring up some very valid questions and concerns.

Thank you again!

Robert Davis
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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2008, 09:09:40 AM »

Sandi, You have an account obviously here at Itchmo and you should just post any notices directly here rather than sending personal emails to members.  That way we can all get the information promptly and be able to react to it as needed.  I thought this was discussed during your last posts that some form of communication directly to us would be implemented.
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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2008, 09:24:28 AM »

Like some others here, I have a bag of the affected food.  It's sitting in my pantry beside 3 cases of NV canned food.

Would appreciate answers to the following:

1.  Where was the food manufactured?  Was it PP, CV or none of the above.

2.  How did this QC failure happen?

Thanks very much.

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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2008, 04:24:01 PM »

I know the thread is feline... but as some of you know I am now working a local pet store and just today a lady with a small dog wanted her canidea back since the chn dog NV made the dog sick.. PS I will cross post in the dog Wink.. orginally I had thought the animal was sensitive to one of the MANY NV Extras like pumpkin or alfalfa  Huh Huh

Oil is SUPPOSED to be preserved to avoid spoilage but if it is naturally done and the bag is open freshness IMHO only lasts a few weeks
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2008, 11:52:10 PM »

I received this reply from Natures Variety when I wrote to them about their recent cat food problem.  They didnt answer any of my questions and it almost looks like a basic form letter......I still dont get it. If the food wouldnt make cats sick like they are claiming then why are they pulling it off the shelves?  And I dont understand this constant claim to quality if they have food escape their production facility that obviousy had something wrong with it. 

 Thank you for contacting Nature’s Variety.  We regret our most recent quality issue with Prairie™ Lamb Meal and Oatmeal Medley for Cats and are diligently working toward resolution in this area. Our mission is to provide pet owners with superior quality pet nutrition products as well as exceptional service and value.   

Please be assured, this withdrawal does not involve health risks to cats. At Nature’s Variety, we want to insure that all of our products meet our high quality standards. We have found the affected products to be unacceptable because of the following reasons.

The products with a “best if used by” date of 12/20/08 have an unacceptable level of oxidized fat. Oxidation may create an unusual odor.
The products with a “best if used by” date of 1/25/09 have an unacceptable appearance this kibble is quite crumbly and very dark in color.
Our distributor and retailer partners have been notified of this issue, and we have prevented some from ever reaching your retail store shelf. If, however, you have purchased one of these affected products, please return it to your retail store for a full refund or replacement.

The issues described here relate to our previously identified production challenges during late-2007 and early-2008. We have taken multiple action steps to continually improve and assure the quality of our products.

We regret this situation, and we apologize for any inconvenience it has caused you.  It is important in this process to continue to receive feedback from our consumers and again thank you for your time.

 

Sincerely,

Customer Service
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2008, 06:57:10 PM »

Am I just missing something or what.  I went to Nature's Variety website,,,,,and all the information about the cat food stuff isn't there any more.  All of it from April is gone.  Anybody know what happened?
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2008, 07:05:54 PM »

Below the recent news article is a list of news archives it is first on the list

     http://www.naturesvariety.com/news.lasso
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