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« on: March 10, 2008, 04:20:15 PM » |
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Check out the website---certain dates are causing GI upsets---found out at Itchmo... http://www.naturesvariety.com/news.lasso"Recently, some of our customers who are feeding Instinct™ Chicken Meal Formula grain-free kibble for dogs have experienced loose stools and occasional vomiting. If your dog has experienced this and your bag of Instinct Chicken Meal Formula displays a “best if used by” date of 1/3/09 or 1/10/09, you may return it to your retail store for a replacement or refund. The “best if used by” dates are located on the back of the package." |
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 04:34:37 PM » |
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Thanks, Carol.
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Never forget our cats and dogs and the Pet Food Recalls of 2007; the reason most of us are here!
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 04:43:10 PM » |
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I'ms so mad I screwwed up my post---sorry I deleteed it.... maybe this is why Harry has not felt like eating--not his cancer maybe his food! And Lucy is farting up a storm......  |
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 05:39:45 PM » |
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oh no... read the main page... will the trouble be only with the dry NV? I wonder if we should expect problems with the wet Instincts... grrrr... At least NV "fesses up" (a little) and admits there could be a problem... but what "production problems" could it be? What does it mean? New source of ingredients? Just wondering how change to new facilties could impact a food run... maybe cooking temperature was off? I hear that just a few degrees lower than what its supposed to be could ruin an entire run... hope that's all and nothing to do with quality of ingredients.
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 05:44:27 PM » |
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I'm glad they are being open with it also, but this is how a lot of good foods have gone downhill. Outsourcing.I am actually counting out the few pieces of this & Natures logic that they all get & it still scares me to feed it. I just feel that they need to be a little used to something more available in case of emergencies.
As far as it being more dense nutrient wise, I would think different measuring,mixing or cooking equipment could do it. I just hope that is really what is wrong. I would like to see the independent test results.
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 05:57:26 PM » |
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They do seem to be upfront so let's hope the richness is the problem, not that that is a trivial issue. I feed Poco a little salmon, but there is a fine line between an acceptable amount and too much. I have crossed that line only once or twice, but it can make him pretty sick with the listed symptoms.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 06:00:44 PM » |
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Do the NV kibble & wet use tapioca as starch/carb? I think I'd ask them if there was an excess/production issue with the tapioca.
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 06:06:19 PM » |
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The Instinct kibble line yes has tapioca. I dont see tapioca in the prairie kibble line. kathy edit to add link so kibble ingredients can be viewed http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1136 |
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 07:56:03 PM » |
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Did anyone get an Itchmo alert email about this? I haven't gotten any alerts in many months, although a few things seemed important enough. I wanted to check to see if somehow I've gotten off the alert list or if it's maybe because these are not considered actual recalls.
Thanks, Carol, I wouldn't have known about this otherwise!
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 08:03:26 PM » |
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Nutrient rich - maybe a bad batch of supplements, or added 10x the amount they were supposed to? Remember excess Vitamin D & K, etc.?
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 08:05:46 PM » |
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petslave, I have not gotten itchmo emails in quite awhile.
Thanks to Carol again for another important find!!!
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2008, 08:15:15 PM » |
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In what way was this batch "nutrient-rich"? Can mean anything - too much protein (not a bad thing); too much fat (bad for dogs and some cats); too much carbs (bad for everybody); too much vitamins (very very bad!). Too much fat can produce diarrhea and sudden pancreatitis in some animals.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2008, 08:28:17 PM » |
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That's why I wondered if it meant supplements, kaffe.
If it was meat, wouldn't they just come out & say it? It couldn't be too much meat since the kibble won't hold together, right?
Tapioca isn't really all that nutritious, just a binder for the food.
Wouldn't excess fat be really noticible if it was in there in the amounts needed to cause these symptoms? What else would cause it to be "nutrient-rich"?
(just conjecturing here, can't help but try to work through all the angles - which is what happens when my mind is left to guess like this)
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2008, 08:29:34 PM » |
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Arabiannikki, with all due respect, when there are problems with human food that a company knows is causing problems, dont they normally put this info thru the news and papers? Once again, its lower standards for pets. While Im glad they put it on their website, why isnt it being run on CNN and papers, you know, those places that most people get their news from? Once again, this is the exact reason why pet food companies need tighter, stricter regulations. This should be on the news, oh, maybe I will e:mail CNN myself! And for the poor dogs who have become sick and had to go to the vets, is NV paying for those vet visits? And it would be nice if they could be more specific on what the problem is or do they not really know? Have they notifed FDA? How long have they been receiving reports of sick pets? Im sorry, but just putting some vague info on their website, one of the last places people will look, is not good enough. Once again, our pets deserve better. OK, sorry, Im off my soapbox now. Carol, Im very mad about this too. I might add that some dogs that eat this food probably eat it because of IBD and food allergies. For those dogs, loose stools and vomiting can be alot more serious. And for poor dogs like Carol's Harry who is fighting cancer, its even worse. |
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 08:47:51 PM » |
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And it would be nice if they could be more specific on what the problem is or do they not really know? ...
I might add that some dogs that eat this food probably eat it because of IBD and food allergies. For those dogs, loose stools and vomiting can be alot more serious. And for poor dogs like Carol's Harry who is fighting cancer, its even worse.
I agree - NV should tell us exactly what was wrong with this particular batch so that the vets of those affected dogs will know what treatment protocol to apply! Remember how all the vets were stumped by the rash of renal failure last year? Some were in one way or another berating heartsick pet parents that their very sick pet must have somehow got into anti-freeze! There was so much confusion as to what was causing the sicknesses and deaths! NV should make public exactly what was wrong with this batch of kibble and not mask it in some generic phrase like "too nutrient rich." |
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