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Author Topic: Life’s Abundance New Canned Dog Food: A most unusual approach  (Read 347 times)
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« on: September 03, 2008, 11:12:30 AM »

Am I reading this right? Could this be disinformation? The approach is unusual I believe.

http://holisticpetfood.wordpress.com:80/2008/09/03/lifes-abundance-new-canned-dog-food-a-most-unusual-approach/

I could not find anything on the Castor and Pollux or Newman’s Own websites explaining why the small can, or how to use it (i.e., only source of food, topper, or dry food supplement).  But Dr. Jane Bicks, the holistic veterinary formulator who made the announcement for Trilogy HealthyPetNet, offered an explanation that makes sense.  She said that a canned pet food should only be used as a supplement, a tasty treat, a break from the monotony of dry food all the time, but never as a sole source of nutrition.  That’s because there is so much moisture in canned pet foods that it would be impossible for the animal to get adequate nutrition before their stomachs are full.  It’s different in the wild — they’re getting blood and marrow and all other sorts of fluids chock-full of nutrients.  But with canned pet foods, it’s the water in the meat, broth, etc.   

These canned foods are excellent nutrition, don’t get me wrong.  With the nutrient profiles in turkey, turkey liver, shrimp, and eggs for the breakfast food, and chicken, chicken liver, crab, and eggs for the dinner food, our pets are getting great, well-rounded nutrition.  They just would not get ENOUGH if all they ever ate was canned food.

So these foods, and this would be true of the other ultra premium canned foods, are intended to be used along with your dry food.  Dr. Jane Bicks said that to maintain a proper balance, you would use 75% dry food and 25% wet food.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 11:17:52 AM »

Well, mine have been on canned food only for over a year now, and one has lost some weight.  The others, well, they sure aren't starving by any means!  I was a little surprised they all didn't lose weight.

One thing that has happened on canned is no more bladder crystals!

Sounds like advertising for dry food to me.  Might as well throw in the old "dry keeps their teeth clean" saying while they are at it.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 11:31:35 AM »

Castor & Pollux comes in big and small cans.  My dogs had one mixed in with their dry for breakfast. 

I don't see on the Life's Abundance site whether or not their new canned is a balanced diet.  Maybe it's just a topper or mix-in, like Wellness 95% canned dog food or Before Grain canned foods?  The 95% cans and the BG canned are supplements.

Interesting.  I would think small cans for small dogs.   Tongue 
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 11:35:41 AM »

This is one of the strangest things I have heard in a long time.  I note that Dr. Jane Bicks is referred to as a "veterinary formulator."  So I'm sure she has a vested interest, obviously in dry food.  I note that she is referring to DOG food, not cat food.  But even so.   Tongue

I think this is a bunch of advertising balderdash.  Shows how some of these misconceptions make the rounds.
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 11:39:27 AM »

Is Dr. Bicks still using Menu for her canned foods?  I corresponded with her briefly during the recalls last year and she was quite adamant in her support of Menu.
I suppose the rice and meat and vegetables I feed are largely made up of water as well.  No weight loss here.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 11:42:49 AM »

I guess if you're talking about big dogs, this could be true since most people aren't going to be willing to feed a 70 lb dog 5-7 big cans a day.  You can home feed or buy premium commercial raw for a lot cheaper than that.  High volume dry sales goes to the big dog feeders, so they probably figure why bother with producing big cans.

I had my two big dogs on 3 big cans of Wellness each a day for a couple of months last year, and they did lose a little weight.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 11:47:59 AM »

My cats are getting fat on canned, and I feed them less than the particular cans recommend. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 11:54:36 AM »

Have you ever seen a pack of wolves chewing up a field of grain?  or raiding campsites for boxes of Wheaties?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 12:13:13 PM »

http://www.preciouspets.org/healthypetnet/drjane-bio.htm

I'm not seeing any statements like that warning about canned food there.  Seems like it would be on the label if the food is only to be used as a treat or supplement.  You could always contact her about the statment in that link 3cat found and see what she says.  I tried but this link does not seem to be working.

http://www.healthypetnet.com/HealthyPetNet/General/ContactUs.aspx?realname=&Ath=False&hdr=&cat=0

She'd certainly want to know if there are opinions attributed to her that are not correct.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 12:20:54 PM »

Sent an email asking Dr. Jane to confirm contents of the link that started this thread. Email worked just fine
for me. Will post any results.
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 12:29:34 PM »

Thanks, 3cat.  Hope I didn't send her a bunch of dup's.  The screen just hung for me when I pressed the send button several times.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 12:45:40 PM »

This is one of the strangest things I have heard in a long time.  I note that Dr. Jane Bicks is referred to as a "veterinary formulator."  So I'm sure she has a vested interest, obviously in dry food.  I note that she is referring to DOG food, not cat food.  But even so.   Tongue

I think this is a bunch of advertising balderdash.  Shows how some of these misconceptions make the rounds.
  Well said catbird!  Baffles me that she actually made this statement. Goes against everything we have learned pertaining to pet foods. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 03:32:21 PM »

Even leaving aside her possible vested interests, she's forgetting one very important thing.

In the wild, animals are continually active. They burn a lot of calories hunting prey, defending themselves, staking out territory and dealing with the elements. They need to get a lot of nutrients from a little food. Domestic animals burn less calories in a day than their wild counterparts, so they can't take in as much. But they'll still eat until their stomachs are full - so better they fill their stomachs with protein and moisture than with dried grain fragments.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 06:02:51 AM »

Poco, 3cat:  No responses from Jane Bicks on this?
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 08:04:27 AM »

Yes, Biscuit, I didn't get a reply as of September 9, 2008.
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