|
JJ
|
 |
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2008, 01:55:42 PM » |
|
catbird hopefully more people will have a chance to try out the new forumulation of Wellness and let their experiences be known. Once my dog refuses a food after she has ate it with no problems before (Wellness grain free was last one she wouldn't touch anymore) I will not continue to try and have her eat it. She didn't want it for a reason - so I just never buy it again cause I can't waste money opening a can, putting it in her dish and she won't eat it. Yet I can open a can of Organix and she will eat with no problem after I'd removed the dish of Wellness. So if she feels somethings not right she won't eat it which I'm glad as I'm sure a lot of other pet parents are too. They are not being fussy, just cautious IMO I believe.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'Life isn't about how to survive the storm, But how to dance in the rain.'
|
|
|
|
jenny
|
 |
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2008, 02:16:30 PM » |
|
When Wellness removed the garlic that wasn't all they did. The ingredient list actually changed with some ingredients moving up, some down.....
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
3catkidneyfailure
|
 |
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2008, 03:29:11 PM » |
|
This is from an old post, and maybe the manufacturers need reminding when you talk to them: http://itchmoforums.com/making-a-difference/upc-lables-covered-up-t1797.0.htmlHere is a quote from the June 2007 ACVIM meeting in Seattle, Washington, on the Pet Food Recall transcript: "Dr. Linda Ross: The next set of questions again has to do with pet food regulations. Some of these may have been answered already, and some of these may be a little bit complicated to answer in this setting, so we'll see how this goes. The first part of this question is “Is it correct that pet food manufacturers can substitute ingredients for up to six months without an ingredient label change, as long as the nutritional content is unchanged?” Dr. Claudia Kirk: The simple answer is no. That's actually not approved. Whatever is in the product is supposed to be accurately labeled on the ingredient list, and the ingredient list has very specific guidelines for how that ingredient list must read. For those who have never seen an AAFCO manual, I brought one of my older copies. Here's what it looks like. (Indicating.) That's the pet food Bible in terms of giving instructions of how a label needs to be formatted and what needs to be included on it. The confusion with this particular statement that does get passed around quite a bit is that within the industry, there has been a little bit of leeway that has seemed to be overlooked. It depends upon the state, because it's really the state USDA that regulates pet food products even though the guidelines are provided by AAFCO and the FDA. If you are changing a formula and still have old packaging, and haven't quite gotten your new labels, you might go ahead and put a product that is changing to some extent in the old bags – so there could be potentially a short period of time that a product has changed but the labels have not caught up. That's actually not legal, but it certainly has been done. But the idea that you can willy-nilly change your formulas and not reflect that on your label is not correct. And as Dr. Dzanis, who is in the audience, also made note, if a manufacturer has changed their product and has not quite gotten their new labels back yet, that does take a bit of time, they are supposed to sticker the bag to indicate such. So that's a bit of a misunderstanding and misperception about what is legal in pet food labeling"..
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: August 30, 2008, 03:32:16 PM by 3catkidneyfailure »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
petslave
|
 |
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2008, 03:38:38 PM » |
|
I remember this from last year, yet we still see them throwing around that 6 month rule statement. You know, even if they don't put a new ingredient label on, they could invest in very cheap stickers that say "New improved formula, see details on our website, www.petfood.etc". That way people could wait before buying to check it out if they they have allergenic pets.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
JJ
|
 |
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2008, 03:50:32 PM » |
|
petslave and 3cat how many reminders do these PFC's need? Some have been sued, others are in process of being sued yet for lots of them the same ole same ole continues on and on. Maybe the loss of customers no longer buying their products cause it either is making their pet ill or pet refuses it cause they sense something different in it and it affects the bottom line will wake em up? Nothing seems to have had any positive effect so far IMO.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'Life isn't about how to survive the storm, But how to dance in the rain.'
|
|
|
|
3catkidneyfailure
|
 |
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2008, 06:39:01 PM » |
|
I'm not sure how many reminders it's going to take, JJ, given the pressure from the economy to lower ingredient costs, but a lot. As of September 1, 2008, I want everyone to be especially alert to chicken based foods. This is why: cross-posted: http://itchmoforums.com/recall-nonpet-food/russia-bans-poultry-imports-from-19-us-suppliers-t6104.0.htmlThere may be a glut of chicken processed into pet foods by some companies that don't have good records on cooking them enough, and that could cause problems, too.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: August 31, 2008, 06:30:53 PM by 3catkidneyfailure »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
petslave
|
 |
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2008, 06:56:19 PM » |
|
Chicken is by far the cheapest meat source out there for people and pets. The super cheap megafactory farm southern grown chicken is really bad news from all aspects - animal health & welfare, workers, environment, meat quality and safety.
Supposedly no antibiotics are used, yet there is one company that was recently caught injecting the eggs so they can say the chickens are raised without antibiotics. Food sources are very low quality, arsenic is a concern, ionophores, bacteria, who knows what else.
Of course the rejects from the human food industry are what's ending up in our pet food, so our pets are probably getting the worst of it.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
JJ
|
 |
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2008, 07:37:53 PM » |
|
3cat Sept. 1, 2008 is monday-two days from now. Hope a lot of people do take heed and the ones away for the holiday come back and read this and also think twice about chicken based human and pet food.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'Life isn't about how to survive the storm, But how to dance in the rain.'
|
|
|
|
catbird
Guest
|
 |
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2008, 07:49:55 PM » |
|
I'm going to go out tomorrow and stock up on the chicken kinds I use that are already made, before this stuff is dumped into the pet food supply.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
jada
|
 |
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2008, 10:15:54 PM » |
|
I feed canned Wellness. Haven't had any issues, but after reading all of this I'm not sure I should feed it anymore.
Is Wellness not trustworthy anymore?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Offly_irked
Guest
|
 |
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2008, 06:03:34 AM » |
|
Pessimist that I am would say " Gosh, if that's what we're shipping to Russia, then what the heck is going in the pet foods? Worse stuff in higher quantities?" Makes the stuff dumped due to not shipping to Russia seem a tad better than the tossoffs currently going into the pet food.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: August 31, 2008, 06:05:09 AM by Offy »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
3catkidneyfailure
|
 |
« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2008, 07:56:12 AM » |
|
http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/RecipeChanges.htmlPet Food Recipe Changes and Challenges Many pet food manufacturers are scrambling to stay competitive; some changing the formulation or recipe of their products trying to save money. What is going to happen to our pet foods is a question on many pet owners minds. ...
Responsible pet food manufacturers should be the ones lobbying AAFCO and the FDA to demand changes in pet food regulations instead of leaving all this work to a few pet consumer groups. It is time things change and the few responsible pet food companies out there that DO care about producing high quality pet foods instead of high quality commercials should step up and take the bull by the horns. Demanding changes to the extremely lax laws governing pet food will not only benefit pet owners, it will benefit reputable pet food manufacturers as well. Are you listening?
In the meantime, changes in a pet food, even small changes, can affect your pet; dogs especially. Most dogs need to change foods – even change of a new recipe of the same food – slowly. I suggest to pet owners to add ¼ new food to ¾ old food for 4 to 7 days, ½ to ½ for another 4 to 7 days, and so on. Cats can typically change foods quickly without problems. But should you notice any problems in elimination or behavior with your dog or cat, immediately call the pet food manufacturer and ask of the ‘formulation’ or recipe has been altered. Slight changes of ingredients will probably only affect your pet for a few days. Don’t wait to see if ‘things’ improve in a few days, call the manufacturer right away. If they tell you no changes have been made in the food’s formulation, you should probably consult your veterinarian just to be safe.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
JJ
|
 |
« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2008, 12:03:35 PM » |
|
3cat good link. Now we'll see who's listening. The reputable pet food companies will step up and do the lobbying and produce a food that we all on here are seeking to feed out pets. A food that is safe (won't sicken or kill our pets), nutrient good, couple of different varieties so animals have variety in their foods, not full of GMO's, chemicals, adulterated foodstuffs, anti-biotics, anti-freeze derivatives, toss offs from the rendering plants either - thats a big NO NO NO. When a pet food mfr. would eat the food they produce then we might feel its safe for our pets to also IMO.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'Life isn't about how to survive the storm, But how to dance in the rain.'
|
|
|
|
Sandi K
|
 |
« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2008, 12:18:03 PM » |
|
Very, very good article 3Cat, thanks for sharing the link and thank you to Susan Thixton for writing it on behalf of all our pets!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
jenny
|
 |
« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2008, 04:18:41 PM » |
|
Hummmm....interesting link. I'm not so sure about the cat part....there are numerous other articles that say that cats are very sensitive to food changes, even slight ones....including my own!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|