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« on: January 13, 2008, 07:54:28 AM »

Has anybody been using Instinct canned dog food for their cats?  Since I'm having difficult finding the feline, I was going to try feeding some of the canine food to my cats.  Somebody had mentioned this before.  Not sure who it was.  Kaffe maybe?  The ingredients look identical, but  Huh
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 08:04:09 AM »

I don't know if this helps you with the canned cat & dog food, but I was on the NV website yesterday and the raw food is for both cats and dogs.  What I mean is, they don't seem to have one raw product for cats and a different one for dogs.  Maybe the canned food is similar?
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 08:17:46 AM »

I have no experience with this food.  However, I have always read that cat food is higher in protein than dog food, and therefore, cats should never be fed dog food.  If this food has enough protein for cats, I don't know how that affects the dogs who are eating it.  If it only has a protein level appropriate for dogs, maybe it should not be fed to cats.  Hope someone might have a more definitive answer for you.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2008, 08:56:51 AM »

   Based on the ingredients and the guaranteed analysis that is shown on the Nature's Variety website, both the dog and cat canned Instinct is exactly the same.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2008, 09:06:46 AM »

   Based on the ingredients and the guaranteed analysis that is shown on the Nature's Variety website, both the dog and cat canned Instinct is exactly the same.
That's what I thought.  It's the only brand I've seen that with for canned food so far.  My cats do love it......
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2008, 05:44:01 PM »

That's right... NV Instincts for dog and cat are identical ingredient-wise and percentage-wise. Someone here feeds the bigger cans (meant for dogs supposedly) to her cats for this exact reason.  Cheaper that way in the long run.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 09:33:01 PM »

I suspect if we all compared dog to cat cans ... the % differences would be minimal in many brands that have like formula s in dog and cat  ... ie salmon and potato( okay I have )

Like has been said NV does dog and cat the same food different label s in wet ... there are a few others
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 09:59:20 PM »

Dogs and cats have vastly different nutritional requirements for protein, both in % and specific amino acids required.  There are other specific nutritional requirements that pertains specifically for each species.  I have difficulty with a company who says that there is a one-size fits all formula for dogs and cats.  It just doesn't fit with what I have read regarding nutrition for dogs and cats.   Undecided   Here is a website that describes some of the differences in the nutritional requirements for dogs and cats

             http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/catsaredif.html
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 11:08:00 PM »

I know, Manycat.  I think what this "one size fits all" formulations do is design the food for the CAT - dogs can eat cat food, but dogfood is not nutritionally complete for cats.  NV Instincts has taurine (albeit only 800mg/kg) and of course, arginine and arachidonic acid and pre-formed vt A and D are present in the meat-liver combinations. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2008, 04:24:02 AM »

So far, we have used canine duck, chicken, and venison.  We use it for one meal.  The other meal, they get Wellness.  Do I need to be adding supplements (taurine)?

I was going to buy some rabbit instinct next time.  Would I need taurine supplements with that if they only get it once or twice a week?

I noticed that my oldest is losing a little weight, so I may put him back strictly on Wellness.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 05:10:20 AM »

  JustMe, The Instinct canned is a complete meal and does not need supplementation. I have purchased their large canned dog food before for my kitties. Evo 95% canned meat is another one that contain the same ingredients for both cats and dogs.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 09:40:25 AM »

I know, Manycat.  I think what this "one size fits all" formulations do is design the food for the CAT - dogs can eat cat food, but dogfood is not nutritionally complete for cats.  NV Instincts has taurine (albeit only 800mg/kg) and of course, arginine and arachidonic acid and pre-formed vt A and D are present in the meat-liver combinations. 

well put ... that is what one maker told me when I Huh? ed the practice...

I learned how close many dog and cat formulas( not the exacts were ) with my crf girl figureing dry matter proteins and fats, many premium canned dogs do have "enough" taurine for a cat but it usually = AFFCO minimum and thus most wouldnt Wink.. I should note that this venture to dog food with a ill cat was done with a vets assistance;)
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 04:53:19 AM »

  Last evening both Kaffe and I suprisingly discovered, that in the Natures Variety Instinct canned foods, the taurine amounts vary in each flavor.  Chicken Formula: 1020 mg/kg,  Rabbit Formula: 940 mg/kg,  Duck Formula: 1410 mg/kg,  Beef Formula: 1020 mg/kg, Lamb Formula: 800 mg/kg  and Venison Formula: 860 mg/kg.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 05:37:49 AM »

Last evening Kaffe and I realized that in the Natures Variety Instinct canned foods, the taurine amounts vary in each flavor.  Chicken Formula: 1020 mg/kg,  Rabbit Formula: 940 mg/kg,  Duck Formula: 1410 mg/kg,  Beef Formula: 1020 mg/kg, Lamb Formula: 800 mg/kg  and Venison Formula: 860 mg/kg.

I'm confused.

The above info is different from what's printed on the label.  The labels for (wet cat food) Duck, Venison, Rabbit, Lamb and Chicken say "Taurine (min) 0.05%".

Where does the mg/kg info come from?  Is this different from what's on the label?  Do I need to convert the label info to DMB?

LOL, believe my head is about to explode!

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Laurie
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 05:48:12 AM »

   I got the information off of their website.  http://www.naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?page=1497&-session=naturesvariety:188C340F030dc11449Nwk3E8F5E9 
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