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anabelle_katie
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« on: May 02, 2007, 03:40:08 AM »

After a ton of reading and research, I still can't seem to find a healthy, grain free, preferably organic, canned cat food that is not associated w/ ANI, Menu foods. I have heard Felidae mentioned a few times, but I tried that months ago and the cats wouldn't touch it. They are currently eating Wellness and Eagle Pack and I want to get them off it.  Suggestions? Please?
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VaCatGirl
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2007, 04:26:18 AM »

Why do you want to get them off Eagle Pack?  Do you know something negative about it?  I was thinking about trying this brand, but want to know if you (or anyone) has any warnings/objections to it.  I don't really have any recommendations for you though, because I am in the same boat!  I don't know what to trust either...
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anabelle_katie
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2007, 04:52:59 AM »

Why do you want to get them off Eagle Pack?  Do you know something negative about it?  I was thinking about trying this brand, but want to know if you (or anyone) has any warnings/objections to it.  I don't really have any recommendations for you though, because I am in the same boat!  I don't know what to trust either...
I thought Eagle Pack canned foods was manufactured at Menu foods, though not part of the recall. Please, if I am wrong about this, someone let me know:)
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2007, 05:30:04 AM »



Eagle Pak canned foods IS made at Menu.

I had e-mailed the company a few weeks back to get information and although they answered quickly I found the answers very evasive.

Part of e-mail:

Am I correct in assuming that each individual company supplies Menu Foods with the products that will make up the base of their product and then Menu Foods merely adds or doesn't add the fillers, moisture and nutrients to this?[John Marsman]  NO
 
 Or does Menu Foods supply everything based on what the manufacturer has asked for. [John Marsman] YES  I ask this because I have not been able to see any  information on meat with no products being available as a product?[John Marsman]  YOU CONFUSE ME HERE. DID I ANSWER THIS ABOVE?
 
 If Menu Foods supplies everything from start to finish how can a consumer be certain that Menu Foods has actually used exactly the ingredients requested by the individual manufacturer?[John Marsman]  IN THEORY YOU CAN'T. BUT WE DO REVIEW THINGS. HOW CAN YOU AND I BE SURE WHAT IS IN OUR BREAKFAST CEREAL IS REALLY WHAT THEY SAY ON THE LABEL? YOU HAVE TO TRUST THE COMPANY.

The last statement really blew it for me..trust Menu..not in my lifetime.

Based on that and the fact that their Holistic Select is merely a "formula" which means that it only has to have 25% protein content under current labelling laws I have made a choice to avoid it and continue with my home cooking attempts.


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VaCatGirl
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 05:59:29 AM »

 Angry Wow!  Thanks for the info.  I really can't believe the audacity of these companies.  As far as I know, breakfast cereals have not been sickening or killing 1 out of every six consumers who eat them!!!  Great analogy there, Marsman.  I guess my search continues...
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 07:14:24 AM »

 VaCatGirl
 You are most welcome.

I do not like to bash a company but when they answer in an evasive way or with a just plain stupid comment/analogy that is where I cut out. If someone asks or brings up a company I have had a negative response from I will not hesitate to express my opinions.

Too many companies have lied or hidden facts and too much new information keeps coming out. At this point the pet food companies need to win back our confidence (if that is even possible) not treat us like idiots.

My home cooking is starting to be better received with my two furkids and I balance it out with a varietyof meats (including chicken hearts..good source of taurine). The meat may not be completely safe either in light of recent announcements, but until I find local sources for my meats, it HAS to be better than canned poison. I take about 3 hours a week to cook all the foods and freeze everything in labelled baggies then mix and match. Cost wise I think I am saving because they eat MUCH less than the canned foods.(more nutrition in my foods)

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Naomi D.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 11:00:36 AM »

Annabelle_Katie -
I have also been searching for a canned cat food I think I can trust. I am willing to use
one that lists whole grains (obviously no glutens or protein concentrates) but I'm not
certain they are not allowed to substitute other grain products such as proteins...anyway,
I've been looking through the Pet Food List and these forums, and on food brand websites,
and have a short list of foods I am going to try next. Please realize that I have no other
knowledge than what I've read on the web, I have no financial connection with any of these
companies, and my cats haven't even tried these yet! Here's my list:

Solid Gold - no glutens or protein concentrates, some flavors list rice. Canned made by
Blue Sky Pet foods. No parent company.

ProPac - no glutens or protein conc., do have vegetable gums (I'm not aware of those being
contaminated -yet.) Made in the US by the company's own facilities, "most" ingredients US-sourced.
(I didn't note whether this brand has whole grains, you can check their website.)

Artemis - has a few grains (sorry), canned made by Evanger's. Website has lots of recall news
(which seems like a good sign to me - not trying to hide their heads in the sand.)

By Nature - has no grains at all, organic meat, but their website does not say where or by who
it is made! I'm hoping to find that out and then may try them based on the answer.

Felidae is on my list but as you mentioned, a lot of cats don't seem to like it. I am actually
feeding PetGuard right now, which has no glutens or protein concentrates listed, but as mentioned
in the Pet Food List they have not been at all forthcoming about where their foods are made,
so I am very nervous about them. They also have "rice flour" in their foods anyway. Most of
my cats refused to eat the food I cooked for them, darn it... oh well, it was chicken anyway.
P.S. I've been reading for a few weeks here but just registered - this whole thing has me almost
insane from stress.
- Naomi
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Freida
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 02:58:35 PM »

I attended two days at Idaho Pet Expo this weekend. Each pet food vendor has the company spin on the recall issue, but only when pressed on the subject. Not a one had voluntary information posted re. their product that had any Menu Foods link, much less any imported grain shipments and the problems that poses.  Yes, Eagle Pack canned food has the Menu Foods link, but their brochure does state, "All incoming ingredients are sampled and every batch of food is lab tested." Oh, good, an "incoming ingedient." Gee, I feel better.  But not about to find out if my cats would feel any better.  I personally suggest that folks check out the Kumpi pet foods.  The cat food site is  Kumpi.Kat.com  and there is a link at the left of the webpage to the Kumpi.com page for dog foods.  I've found there are few honest pet food companys in corporate America left today.  This is one of them.  It's not advertised at all.  It's the one dog food major K9 patrols will use.  I'm not suggesting 'go buy this food,' but for an excellent reference on pet food nutrition this is simple to understand, and, I think, an awesome product.  Freida
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Freida
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 03:02:32 PM »

Freida here again. I listed the above Kumpi cat food website address incorrectly.  It should be ~ KumpiKat.com    ~   I was in a hurry there and put in too many 'dots.' I apologize for any confusion this may have caused anyone.
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mikken
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 05:28:16 PM »

You could try Evanger's.  They have an Organic Turkey with Butternut Squash flavor that's grain-free and organic.  Seems to be well-received by my sister's cats.

It does have menadione sodium bisulfite complex (the controversial vitamin K source)in it though, so if that bothers you, cross it off your list...

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BobbiW
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2007, 02:31:17 PM »

Evanger's makes a few varieties of cat food.  You can purchase this brand from Pet Food Direct (www.petfooddirect.com) .  I haven't had much luck with this brand with my cats.  They only seem to like fish-flavored foods, and most of Evanger's flavors are poultry.  But, every cat is different.

I have had some success with the Pet Guard Savory Seafood cans, as well as a product called Country Pet.  They have only one flavor of cat food, but a few flavors of dog food.  The cats seem to love this stuff.  I have one cat with constipation problems, so I sprinkle the food with some Missing Link.  The Country Pet food appears to be mostly meat, so I add the Missing Link so she'll get some fiber.  I buy Country Pet at Whole Foods.  In my local store, it is kept in the frozen food section with the people food.  You can also order large quantities online at http://shopping.netsuite.com/countrypet

I've found the Pet Guard food line online at The Better Health Store (www.thebetterhealthstore.com) .  They sell people food as well, and offer free shipping with a purchase of $59 or more.  This is a better deal than the pet stores that charge extra for shipping heavier food items.

Hope this helps.

Bobbi
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lanie
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2007, 02:50:49 PM »

Naomi and anyone using PetGuard canned food-
I don't want to add more stress to the search for safe healthy canned food, but I have tried to get PetGuard to answer my questions about manufacturing and ingredients for 4 weeks via telephone calls and 1 email attempt.  They basically will not disclose any real information, and kept telling me that only the "technical department" had the information I requested, but that they were busy with other calls and would have to call me back which they never did.  Some of my cats were eating the chicken and wheat germ canned formula, and I was interested in where they get the wheat germ from and where all their canned foods are made.  I weaned my cats off PetGuard since they did not respect me as a customer.  I was also concerned about the use of Menadione in their ingredients.  If anyone has had any success getting information from them, I'm interested to hear it.  Good luck to everyone in finding a food that works for their pet.
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Naomi D.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2007, 07:15:54 AM »

lanie -

Thanks for your additional information about PetGuard - I also emailed
the company after writing my post here, and had similar results. I had
explained very carefully why I needed to know where their foods were
made (by whom, that is) and they totally evaded my question! So, last
Thursday or so I discontinued feeding the PetGuard and am going to return
all the unused cans to the supermarket (I asked and they will take them
back despite not being recalled, which is nice.)

Fortunately, I was able to get some Artemis canned food and later some
Felidae.  I'm very happy to report that two of the three cats who eat canned
food like the Artemis a lot (this one has some whole grains and I think might
have the menadione sulfite stuff, but I'm not certain - I think Felidae has neither.) 
And the third, pickiest one has not yet taken to the Artemis but loved one
flavor of the Felidae, which surprised me.

The other two I'm trying to get used to the Felidae by putting a blob of the
Artemis which they like on top of a blob of the Felidae - so I'll have at least
two options for them. I read recently about this method for introducing a new
food  (not mixing the old with the new, in other words.)  Up till now I didn't
have a choice but to throw the new food at them, of course.  I now know of
place where I can get Evanger's also, for a third option.  I have a high degree
of confidence that none of these three brands are going to be contaminated,
though with my track record I can't be too sure!

In my first post I forgot to mention Halo Pet - this has vegetables but no grains,
I think. It is not made by Menu but I'm not sure about ANI - they say they use
human-grade USDA inspected meat (or all ingredients?) - anyway, they seem
very healthy and are probably safe, but I've tried it before and my cats simply
don't like it, so I haven't researched them more. I never saw the flavor with
clams, though, which mine might like better.

Good luck everyone,
- Naomi D.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2007, 11:57:13 AM »

Hormel makes a no salt added canned chicken (for humans). Since the recall, I have been using that for canned food. I am adding a supplement from Dr Goodpet that says their products are all human grade and not from China. I also feed Life's Abundance dry food.
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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2007, 03:51:38 AM »


Felidae is on my list but as you mentioned, a lot of cats don't seem to like it. I am actually feeding PetGuard right now, which has no glutens or protein concentrates listed, but as mentioned in the Pet Food List they have not been at all forthcoming about where their foods are made, so I am very nervous about them. They also have "rice flour" in their foods anyway. Most of  my cats refused to eat the food I cooked for them, darn it... oh well, it was chicken anyway.
P.S. I've been reading for a few weeks here but just registered - this whole thing has me almost
insane from stress.
- Naomi

I called Evangers (and later was told someone wasn't supposed to tell me - but apparently they are backing down on this) and also Canidae (I called, there were only 2 ladies working in the office - they are woefully understaffed for the amount of phone calls - just keep redialing).

All their canned food (which is the only food I was interested in) - is made at Evangers.  If you call and state you already know this - they will readily admit it.

Some of the stores are selling the older batches of Felidae (I had the batches best by dates Nov 08 and Nov 09).  These batches are the ones 2 kitties rejected (Baby Girl did well).  On my last purchase, I opened a can that looked different - it was more of a fine pate than meat with sauce (when you shake the can of the older batch - you can hear the juices - you can't on the newer batch).

The cats LOVED THIS.  The ladies told me at Felidae they switched to this, because the cats didn't like the texture of the older mix (but most of the stores were selling their older line).  I now have cans with Best By dates of 2010. I mix the Felidae with the Innova for the guys.

P.S. interesting note - Siberia likes to run into Baby Girl's room.  There was an older batch of Felidae on the floor for Baby Girl.  Siberia (whom had previously turned his nose up at this food) was gloming it down.  So the mixing had been working.

I now have 2 variety's of canned (which is good for kitties) - Felidae and Innova.  Both are well received in the Household (Jimmy still has left over reluctance - but a few pieces of kibble will change his mind).
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