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« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2008, 06:08:23 PM »

This is something like the Castleberry's botulism aftermath.  They got an Emergency Operating Permit to reopen the plant in September, 2007 after the clean up from the botulism issues with their products.  When the necessary corrections weren't made, FDA revoked the Emergency Operating Permit just last month.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/031108/bus_190511.shtml

March 11, 2008

"Federal concerns about the operation of food processing equipment inside Castleberry's Food Co. prompted this week's shutdown of the Augusta chili maker.

"Most of the plant's 330 employees did not report to work Monday because the U.S. Food and Drug Administration revoked the company's temporary operating permit.

"That permit was issued in September in the aftermath of a last summer's $35 million botulism recall.

"An FDA spokeswoman said the permit was revoked because inspectors found "deviations" in how some of the processing equipment was being operated.

""The deviations could have caused the food processed to be unsafe. Because under-processing by Castleberry in the past resulted in a botulism outbreak and because Castleberry was operating under an emergency permit, FDA revoked the emergency permit," said agency spokeswoman Stephanie Kwisnek.

"Castleberry's officials emphasized Monday that the current shutdown does not involve a new recall.

""We expect to have a quick resolution," said Dave Melbourne, Castleberry's senior vice president.

""We are working quickly and closely with the FDA to answer its questions and hope to resume production as soon as we've addressed them.""

http://www.itchmo.com/fda-orders-shutdown-of-castleberry-food-plant-4880

"The suspension of its operating permit and shutdown was ordered on Friday, and a FDA spokesperson said that part of the processing lines used to make food were not being operated properly and this could result in underprocessed cans of food.

"Here is the FDA press release:

"In July 2007, over 80 types of canned food products and 4 types of dog food produced by Castleberry Foods were recalled due to possible contamination with Clostridium botulinum.

"FDA issued an ‘Order of Need for Emergency Permit’ to the firm at that time. This means that the firm was not able to ship its products in interstate commerce until it received a permit from FDA. The agency issues an ‘Order of Need for Emergency Permit’ if it determines that a firm does not meet requirements of the regulations pertaining to the manufacture of thermally processed low-acid foods or acidified foods, such that the safety of the food is in question.

"FDA believes the company remedied the previously existing food safety problems and the processing procedures will result in a finished product that does not present a health hazard.

"The firm requested an emergency permit and FDA issued an emergency permit after a review of a firm’s documented corrective actions and processing procedures. In September 2007, FDA issued a permit that allowed the firm to ship products that were processed using the firm’s machinery (the vertical still retorts) not associated with the recalled product. None of these retorts was believed to be linked to the previous C. botulinum contamination.

"During a recent inspection of these processing lines FDA found that the vertical still retorts were not being operated in a manner as required, raising the possibility that some cans processed in these retorts could be under-processed. On March 7, 2008 FDA sent a letter to the company suspending the temporary emergency permit.

"No products have been identified as contaminated. FDA has asked the firm to verify the safety of all products produced since the emergency permit was issued."
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« Reply #121 on: April 24, 2008, 06:15:58 PM »

They do have manufacturing problems, that's for sure.  I just have a feeling this is about the new plant.  I hope this results in better mfr quality from them, and that they don't get plowed under by this.  I'm sure it will hurt their business.

If the FDA would only be so vigilant with the big companies, we could all rest assured our pets' food is safe.  I can think of a few products that have been seriously sickening & killiing pets for several years now and not a thing is being done about them.
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« Reply #122 on: April 24, 2008, 07:38:16 PM »

Thank god i found this website.  I have some braised chicken i was waiting to try with the cats but now i think i might just take it back.
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« Reply #123 on: April 24, 2008, 07:42:07 PM »

I think they got far too comfortable with cheap ingredients, not minding the store, and counting the money...

They have found themselves in a position showing clearly that their ads are meaningless in the cold light of reality exposing the rash of quality control issues are out in the open that show they're not really sure how to produce the products that meet the expectations they themselves claim in their ads.. they're obviously failing....  and they can't bury it.. the consumers were right - something is wrong.. It wasn't "just internet" and fodder for jokes about pet owners.

I am with you on this one..things were going downhill for some time. When I called about a year ago to ask on what kind of liver they used in the Beef and Liver food...I had a choice of talking to the owners and 2 girls who worked there...Then a while back issues came up and I saw people posting they didn't know much english...I found that odd cause I called IL and they all spoke english..Perhaps their heads got to big and sales were up and well...corners cut? I don't know but I do know I saw a lot of posts on pets not eating it and people finding junk in a good food ...or once good food
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« Reply #124 on: April 24, 2008, 08:33:55 PM »

Looking on pet food list (manufacturers) to see what else they produce.

http://www.thepetfoodlist.com/manufacturers.htm
Artemis - Holistic Pet Food
Blackwood Pet Food
Life4K9

don't know how up to date this is.




I had checked into the Brandon Farms Naturals 95% meat canned food (wet food) for Sophers.  I had e:mailed Blue Seal a couple of weeks ago asking all the questions we all now ask since the pet food recalls.  They stated that Evangers manufactures this food. Makes me wonder what else they make that we dont know about.  The can doesnt say anything Evangers making it, it just has the Blue Seal stamp on it giving a false impression that Blue Seal makes it.  Shades of Menu Foods all over again.  The bottom of the can has "Made In Canada" on it which is strange because I didnt think Evangers had any plants in Canada?  But I re-checked my e:mail response from the company and this is their statement "   Our 95% canned foods are manufactured by Evangers."........ Huh
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« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2008, 03:24:35 AM »

Brandon Farms, Blue Seal is the same company that makes By Nature - FYI.
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« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2008, 07:15:25 AM »

Being as untrusting as I am, I was considering using Evanger's, before all this came up. I read their web site end to end, to make sure I did not miss anything. Here is a link to one of their pages.: http://www.evangersdogfood.com/private/ It may answer a few questions here. It says they have been making custom food for other labels since the 1960's. It also states that the making of all this other food is the bulk of their business. The 'small private manufacturer' is a tiny part of who they really are. They are a huge manufacturer of outsourced pet foods for other companies.
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« Reply #127 on: April 25, 2008, 09:51:46 AM »

Actually, they are a small private manufacturer - they are tiny compared to Menu & ANI, and, not sure about this, but I don't think they do the public stock thing.  When recalls hit last year & many people turned to the lines of pet foods canned there as an alternative to Menu produced foods, they couldn't keep up with production & there were shortages.  I remember not being able to buy cases of Felidae/Canidae for weeks. 

That's why they decided to open a new plant, to be able to increase production & provide an alternative place for PF companies to have their foods canned.  I would love to see more canning plants open to compete with the mega manufacturers.  I just hope this one can straighten out their problems & keep giving us alternatives to buying Menu & ANI foods.

Does anyone know of any other small pet food canning plants other than Evangers?  The only one I can think of is the human food plant in Thailand that puts leftover fish parts together for several brands of cat foods.  I think there may be a few in Canada, but don't know the names.  I can think of no others in the US other than the big co.'s that had all the problems last year.  It's not a cheap line of business to get set up in, and I can imagine there are some strong forces at work to keep small upstarts from getting their foot in the door.
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« Reply #128 on: April 25, 2008, 09:54:43 AM »

Being as untrusting as I am, I was considering using Evanger's, before all this came up. I read their web site end to end, to make sure I did not miss anything. Here is a link to one of their pages.: http://www.evangersdogfood.com/private/ It may answer a few questions here. It says they have been making custom food for other labels since the 1960's. It also states that the making of all this other food is the bulk of their business. The 'small private manufacturer' is a tiny part of who they really are. They are a huge manufacturer of outsourced pet foods for other companies.
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Please see this thread before buying Evanger's.

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/april-24-08-evangers-fda-orders-food-maker-to-obtain-emerg-operating-permit-t4594.0.html
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« Reply #129 on: April 25, 2008, 10:46:39 AM »

Have there been any reports of illness in animals eating products canned from this plant?  I just gave my cats some Evangers a couple days ago so I am a bit worried.
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« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2008, 12:05:41 PM »

This is just ridiculous. Not full disclosure by the agency serving consumers, FDA. Not full disclosure by the
manufacturer, Evanger's. No national website to check for reports of illness trends. And here sits the
worried consumer telling anecdotal stories and speculating as to cause and consequences. Everyone
loses, industry and consumer and furkid, and the idiot system stays with what hasn't worked in the past
and has certainly been brought into question since March 16, 2007.
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« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2008, 12:11:49 PM »

I looked at the plant with maps.live and Google maps and don't see anything that warrants referring to the food as trash.  It is fine if someone wants to hold that opinion, though.

I tried their canned duck some time ago and it seemed fine.  I was concerned about the test that showed a higher than expected trace mineral level so that was the end of it for me.  But I suspect many brands are frequently off in trace minerals and I avoid any that add them.

This new problem would concern me, too.  I do think the FDA may focus more on smaller companies since the huge companies have more political clout.  However, if the scrutiny is constructive and reasonable, this could be a good thing in the long run.  Hard to say what is going on here at this point.
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« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2008, 12:59:37 PM »

Apologies for blowing off steam. Consumers don't know what's going. I only wish
we did, especially for the benefit of pet parents and furkids.
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« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2008, 01:55:05 PM »

Well, the letter I read just now on the Evanger's FDA issue doesn't remotely read with the same low level I***cy as the one LoveDogs posted.

Which is good. My head already exploded really really badly and I've not got it back together yet.

http://www.evangersdogfood.com/about/statement_Joel.html

Now there, it is absolutely indicating the FDA complained of more than recordkeeping?
"...the FDA recently raised questions regarding recordkeeping and other issues at the pet food producer’s facilities...."

So, did they get the permit, or are they just making it and can't yet ship it?
"Contrary to a news release issued by the FDA Thursday, April 24, 2008, Evanger’s continues to make and distribute its products with FDA approval."

We get that FDA can't make them recall, and Evanger's hasn't recalled..I guess it remains to be seen if they should have recalled or have reason to recall based on their ability to control the information (thank you Richard Sellars for the how to handle the FDA lesson given to pfcs). Now, after reading this below,  why did the FDA think botulism might be an issue?
"No Evanger’s product has been recalled, nor is there any indication that any Evanger’s product is under-processed, unsafe, or contaminated in any way."

It's just the canned:
"The routine FDA inspection was related only to Evanger’s canned foods and did not cover production its dry pet food products."

Dear Jeff.. talk to us about the levels of copper in your pet foods. Copper Oxide & Copper sulfate....copper compounds. How much total, whether bioavailable or not, how much is in it?

PS - And, we also get "sourced in the US".. did your vitamin/mineral supplements come from a US supplier who bought it outside the US? Anything else that fits the "actually, that originated OUTSIDE the US, got imported, and we simply bought it here" public relations spin???

"All ingredients in Evanger’s products are sourced in the United States... "

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Hi all, I just saw this statement on the Evanger's website.  In my opinion Evanger's was doing the right thing and following FDA regulations.  I know I am certainly going to continue to feed my dogs Evanger's because I have seen huge benefits in their coat and energy since I put them on the food.

April 25, 2008


To Our Valued Customers:

The US Food & Drug Administration conducted a routine inspection of Evanger’s Dog & Cat Food Co., Inc. during February & March of 2008.  As a result of the inspection, the FDA raised questions regarding recordkeepingNeither Evanger’s nor FDA has received ANY customer complaints questioning the safety of Evanger’s products relating to this minor recordkeeping issue.

The FDA has not raised any questions as to the safety of any of Evanger’s products.

Although FDA has raised these questions, Evanger’s continues to make and distribute its products with FDA approval.  Evanger’s is working closely with expert process consultants, TechniCal Inc., which has already fully addressed many of FDA’s inquiries, and we expect to have all FDA concerns fully satisfied shortly.

Evanger’s is committed to providing high quality, safe, and nutritious all-natural and organic pet food, as it has done since 1935.

Respectfully,


Joel Sher
Vice President
Evanger’s Dog & Cat Food Co., Inc.


(now ain't that odd - such a huge difference in the 2 letters) Huh   Wink
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« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2008, 04:01:20 PM »

Well, at least they posted something on their website.  It makes me feel a little better knowing that they acknowledge the issue and that they are saying that nothing is unsafe or contaminated.  I hope they are telling the truth since I just fed some of their canned foods the other day.
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