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Author Topic: Eosinophilic ulcer, granulomas - Periodontal Issues & Food Allergies  (Read 3675 times)
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Offy
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« on: October 11, 2007, 03:49:25 AM »

Scooter, my new furkid, has an ulcer that recurs on her bottom lip.  That lead me to look at the causes. She had a cortisone shot which resolved it - for a short time.

It came back. Why?

I went back over her diary and found 2 things. 1)wheat gluten in pet food (meow mix market select) 2) dry food consumption (it was "organic")   

Coincidental? I'm trying to find out.

I do know that within +/- 9hours of giving her some pet food with wheat gluten as a treat, the ulcer reappeared.  After 4 days, with no gluten & with prednisone it went down again.

I let her eat some of the MissKitty's dry food that had soybean, barley & brown rice. Ditto, +/- 9hours later she had the ulcer pop back up on her lower lip.

She had blood red gums and the ulcer when she was adopted. She was eating Cat Chow  at the shelter as her food until I brought her home & ate out of plastic bowls. I put her on wet foods without grains immediately when I brought her home in glass/stainless bowls and at the vet checkup she got the cortisone shot for the ulcer.

She has another vet appointment soon and we'll look at periodontal cleaning and talk about food allergies...

In the meantime, no more treats or dry food with any grains or glutens, and MissKitty is going to have to hurry up and get with the wet food program Sad . MK's my last hold out for kitty krack ...
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 04:18:03 AM »

Offy,
I too had a dog with an eosinaphilic granuloma.  As it turned out he was allergic to anything with BHA/BHT in it.  It took lots of trial and error to figure out.    He never had a relapse as long as I was careful about what he ate.  That was not easy then.  We did not have PF that was naturally preserved.  That was a lot of fun.  I had to start cooking for a 150# Rottweiler.  He loved it.  That was 1986.  Haven't fed chemically preserved diets since.  Also no corn, wheat or soy.  All seemed to cause varying degrees of discomfort to my dog. 
Good luck at figuring out the cause.  (Keep a diary).  That's how I finally figured it out. 
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Offy
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 06:05:22 AM »

Thanks HD for a heads up!

I'll check the wet and dry foods I'm using for the BHA/BHT...

 
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 07:01:56 AM »

Offy,
I don't want to alarm you, but I think I remember reading during the recalls that one of the first signs of melamine poisoning was ulcers around the mouth.  Not all the animals got them, (mine didn't) and it did not seem to get as much press as the other symptoms of vomiting, appetite loss, etc.  Unfortunately, I don't have a link for you or anything, it is just something I remember reading.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 07:22:09 AM »

Kittylyda & Offy- I remember seeing that also. I believe it was back in the early posts here on the forum.I did a search ,but this thread is the only thing that came up.
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Offy
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 07:37:44 AM »

March 23rd, VIN, had this:

"Owners whose pets have eaten the recalled foods should monitor their pets for vomiting, diarrhea, sluggishness, anorexia, blood in the urine, and mouth ulcers. Because aminopterin may result in bone marrow problems, owners should also be on the lookout for bruising, bleeding, and blood in the feces. "

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?C=32&A=2528

In May, AVMA had this about melamine:
"The dose of 50 g also caused ulcers in the [sheep] abomasum [rennet bag, 4th stomach]."

http://www.avma.org/aa/petfoodrecall/melamine_sheep_pf.asp
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Offy
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 08:00:10 AM »

I have to say that I'm not alarmed, it's part of my sadness.

This topic is very relevant to researching topics for what happened during the recall to our pets. 

EGID has every symptom of the alleged melamine poisoning. It perhaps also addresses some of the same situations reported in pets. 

It all goes back to the same bottom line - crappy pet foods.

The invisible nutrition studies the pet food companies keep to themselves, unless another PFC challenges their advertising. Self-regulation creating shorter life spans for our pets.

We have no real idea of what is in pet foods. I know what we are told, but what are we NOT told.

They haven't released a nutritional evaluation of the formulas for over 25 years.

Do we think we're being told about current nutrition studies or just public relation/media spins on studies that have nothing to do with what is currently being used - ingredients, supplements, vitamins, minerals, "natural flavorings", "natural coloring", herbs, meat sources, protein sources, preservatives. What contaminants are today in those as opposed to what was found 25 years ago. The chemicals & the interactions. The transformations. The "trade secret" ingredients in some of the premixes and other "brand" additions to the formulas.  If the pet food company didn't put it in it, like in premixes or palatants,  they don't have to put it on the label. So you can go figure what comes along for the ride...

The line of BS from the pet food companies to lull us back to sleep. And, yes, there are more out there that would rather go back to sleep than to "know".

To "know" makes one responsible for taking action.

Now, we have the contaminants that burst open & exposed our innocense and our illusions that we were feeding healthy, safe, nutritious, AS ADVERTISED, pet foods.

In Humans:
http://www.apfed.org/egid.htm#eosinophil

http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/blog.cfm/eosinophilic_intestinal_disorders

Reads like the pet food recall doesn't it?

I will not be surprised if we keep hearing of the same problems with our pets as those we became painfully aware of in March.

I believe there is more to what is going on.

And no, I don't believe it has "stopped". .

(PS. My curiosity, & my distrust of the industry, makes me want to know how many pet owners are reporting continued symptoms that are similar to the alleged melamine & cyanuric poisonings asserted in the recall situation and are now being blown off by the pet food companies by claiming their pet foods are melamine and cyanuric acid free? How long will those pet owners be ignored?)
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 10:32:34 AM »

has Scooter been tested for FeBart?
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Offy
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 10:48:42 AM »

Straybaby,

No, but that comes with the periodontal cleaning if recommended at the next vet appt. I do have a record of all her flea treatments (done on all the shelter animals). She'd been there since she was almost 4mths old, and the foster mom was a vet tech who is keenly aware of the issues.

Information for others:
http://www.natvetlab.com/PDF/NVLNewsLtr-All-Vol-1.pdf

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