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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 05:03:56 PM »

I fed Nutro Natural Choice to KD for many years without issues. I switched her off it during the recalls because I didn't like the way Nutro was handling the situation and it made me distrust the company. In retrospect, although KD didn't have specific problems on it, her general health improved after she switched from dry Nutro to canned food. Even now that she has CRF (and should therefore have digestive upset and vomiting), she throws up less often than she did when she was eating Nutro and her kidneys were working properly. (I should point out that that might be more of a dry versus canned issue - I can't know for sure.)

I think it used to be a better food, but quality fell victim to mass production and pet food conglomerates. I worry that some of the more popular higher-end foods may go in the same direction, as they start to sell more.
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 05:33:42 PM »

I used Nutro years ago when it was a high-quality food.....however, once a mega-corp got involved, it went downhill very quickly.  Now it's being sold (or has been sold) to another mega-corp so I have little faith that things will get any better.

I have had two people switch from it......the first one said his dog had so many problems (digestive & skin problems) when I first met him.  Once he switched & took her off Nutro, he said it was only a matter of days when he noticed a huge improvement.  I know he didn't believe me at first but he sure does now.

The second person has a dog with a terrible cough & a bunch of other problems (vets have been unable to find the cause of any of the problems).  The dog is on Nutro & has been for years.......after we had a discussion, she was going to switch to something else.  I just sent her an email to see what the outcome was.

Oddly enough, I really didn't think a food could cause a cough but I told her that I thought her dog would do better all around on a higher quality food.  I was reading some posts over at that consumer website & someone was complaining about a dog with a terrible cough that went away after switching to another brand.  So I guess anything is possible if you're feeding something that doesn't agree with your pet.

Stranger things have happened, I'm sure.......*insert Twilight Zone theme* Shocked
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2008, 05:59:04 PM »

To add to what Arlo has said, there are some so-called forums that actually remove negative posts about foods.  Many of us here have witnessed it on other sites.

I have not only witnessed the removal of negative posts regarding Nutro from certain forums, but I have personally had my own posts removed and been sent a warning pm by the admin of the site to 'stop scaring people away from using Nutro' !! I have been 'black-listed' at that site by calling me a trouble-maker.

That is why you are having problems finding the info that you desire regarding Nutro.

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 06:13:06 PM »

Go Mary go.......go get 'em

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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 07:37:35 PM »

Welcome to Itchmo, Joe Z!  I'm glad that you are putting together anecdotal stories on the horrors of Nutro pet food... Actuallly, you are the THIRD person I have heard about who is doing this systematically... there is one breeder in Australia who is also prowling the web, forums, etc asking about Nutro and another one here in the US ...  I see their posts somethimes in several feline health yahoo groups I belong to - asking.  I have also seen many complaints in various sites about Nutro and I firmly beleive that there is something seriously wrong with the so-called petfood.  Since your purpose I assume is to warn other pet parents on the dangers of feeding this horrible excuse of a petfood, I say more power to you and that you are doing a good thing. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 07:53:03 PM »

After the recalls, I convinced sis to get off the cheap Beneful (no beef) dog food she was using (me - 3 cats, her 3 dogs  Huh )

I sent her links, etc to explain.  But as always, price was an issue (and she's the one buying the condo?)

So off to Petsmart she went (complaining Reber Ranch was to expansive - while their Wellness, Natura, Weruva, Instinct and Prairie are at least 14 cents to 40 cents below everyone else per can).

She met friendly Nutro Rep - expounding the virtues of food (forgetting this was one of the recalled biggies) and offering those valuable discount coupons (I was responsible for the disappearance of the free Nutro Pouch Coupons from Reber - bad me  Shocked ).

Her dogs didn't like the food.  They became sick.  Diahrea, lack of appetite, messy house, uncontrolled urination, etc.  She dumped the food quickly.  She switched later from Beneful to Iams Healthy Naturals (which she talked me into trying - till I noticed the food labels for Iams regular and healthy natural just had the ingredients switched around, with a few veggies/fruits thrown in).

Took her to Reber today.  She pulled out the Royal Canin samples - I had those thrown back quickly.  Had her pick up Prairie, Instinct and BG samples - told her not to just throw it in the bowl, but to mix with the kibble they are eating now).

When she asked what was wrong with Roayl - I said they might possibly be worse than Nutro (easier to understand for the ingredient challenged consumer).
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 10:10:28 AM »

well, this has really been an eye opener.  Appreciate all the input.  Interestingly, in all the newsfeeds that I monitor, the only post in this thread that showed up was Arlo's about the death threats. hmmmm....

Actually, none of the consumeraffairs posts show up in the feeds either, which is curious too.  I still have a zillion questions for Nutro - it would be helpful & nice if the company was more forthcoming....
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 10:36:07 AM »

To add to what Arlo has said, there are some so-called forums that actually remove negative posts about foods.  Many of us here have witnessed it on other sites.

I have not only witnessed the removal of negative posts regarding Nutro from certain forums, but I have personally had my own posts removed and been sent a warning pm by the admin of the site to 'stop scaring people away from using Nutro' !! I have been 'black-listed' at that site by calling me a trouble-maker.

That is why you are having problems finding the info that you desire regarding Nutro.

Here's a quick recap of what happened to Mary:

Kaffe,

These two exchanges are also not surprising but interesting:

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/showpost.php?s=472f1da2276cb04dcf77652b3931e6d4&p=2260724&postcount=18

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Very true.. it is unfortunate that instead of making sure something is a FACT they let it be one without verifiyng

Itchmo is good for the TESTING aspect as some are paying for the foods to be tested ...

Maybe you, sharky, should heed your own advice and check your 'facts' before posting them here and elsewhere on the internet.
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Maybe you, sharky, should heed your own advice and check your 'facts' before posting them here and elsewhere on the internet.

I do /.////  Smiley Smiley... It amazing what some call FACTS... feel free to pm me Smiley

I remember when the "fact" was that all PFCs cook in the can--despite links to the contrary about that "fact".

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Now for some reason, the entire thread has POOF!-disappeared.  Grin

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163912&page=2

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Maybe it's on hold while the "facts" are checked and will return when they're posted.  The thread is on vacation waiting for the "facts".  Wink

I expected that it would get deleted when I challenged someone's 'facts'!! Oh well, what can you expect from a site sponsored by the big Pet Food Industry!

I expected that it would get deleted when I challenged someone's 'facts'!! Oh well, what can you expect from a site sponsored by the big Pet Food Industry!

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This was my last post in that thread:

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I do /.//// ... It amazing what some call FACTS... feel free to pm me

Please post your 'proof' in this thread that 'consumeraffairs dot com' does not verify the information as fact that they post in their articles.


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Very true.. it is unfortunate that instead of making sure something is a FACT they let it be one without verifiyng

Well, OK--the thread is on vacation because it's waiting for the "facts", but they're big on fun and games:

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/arcade.php?s=512ac3e76ec11aea1563b040c7da7754&do=stats&gameid=173

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/arcade.php?s=512ac3e76ec11aea1563b040c7da7754&&act=Arcade&module=report&user=8708

 Cheesy Wink Smiley Grin Shocked

As a long-term member of The Cat Site, and part of its moderating team, I feel called upon to address some misperceptions that are apparent in this thread.

Every board has its own forum rules, which participants agree to respect when they become members. At The Cat Site, the board's rules are openly posted in the forum welcoming new members, as well as elsewhere at the site; all members are also reminded to review and abide by the rules every time they post. I'm sure those of you who are also members there can attest to that.

Out of respect for our members' privacy, we don't discuss matters relating to them in public. However, I can say this much: The thread in question was not deleted by the moderating team, but temporarily removed for review and then returned to the board.

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/showpost.php?s=472f1da2276cb04dcf77652b3931e6d4&p=2260724&postcount=18

As of now:

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So the thread is still "on vacation", Mary Smith has unjustly been labeled as a "troublemaker" and blacklisted from the site.  I've not seen one of their advisors blacklisted here, even though she can't provide links to verify the information she posts here and it's frequently in error as a result.
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 10:41:58 AM »

Menusux, As I recollect, one of those advisors posted here defending Nutro like crazy, and it turned out she was from Europe.  She even said Nutro was no longer sold in Europe; it all got shipped back to the US. Sounds strange to me to defend a food your entire continent doesn't sell.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 10:45:28 AM »

Menusux, As I recollect, one of those advisors posted here defending Nutro like crazy, and it turned out she was from Europe.  She even said Nutro was no longer sold in Europe; it all got shipped back to the US. Sounds strange to me to defend a food your entire continent doesn't sell.

Here you go, my friend:

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I get the FDA reports by RSS, including the one concerning Evanger's issued at the same time.

What does this have to do with Consumer Affairs and Nutro?

Back to the topic....please?

There are many, many complaints about Nutro.  People are having very bad experiences with Nutro's customer service. 
Umm - It wasn't only Nutro that was affected by the latest reports. I shouldn't even be arguing about Nutro at the moment, because it's no longer available in Europe, where I live, so there's no chance of my ordering it.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2008, 10:55:20 AM »

I found this link...

http://www.pet-global.com/petonline_englisch/pie/pie_aktuell_detail_e.20080410105933284.asp
Nutro in freefall across Europe
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 11:03:11 AM »

Wow, Carol! Good article!

So the bad customer service issues that started well before the Mars takeover have only gotten worse.  Another once good pet food company turned bad.  And it sounds like Mars will be selling them?

[Thanks, Menusux.]
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 11:03:50 AM »

Nutro didn't do itself any good in the EU by being busted by Evira--Finland's equivalent of the FDA--for using non-EU-approved GM grains in some of their foods, either:

http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/nutro-and-gm-grains-t2238.0.html
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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 11:43:10 AM »

I still have a zillion questions for Nutro - it would be helpful & nice if the company was more forthcoming....

Joe Z, Nutro and the word forthcoming dont belong in the same sentence   Wink Tongue
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« Reply #29 on: June 05, 2008, 06:41:17 PM »

Thanks again for all the replies!  I'm still trying to gather more info.  None-the-less, that hasn't stopped me from opening my mouth on my blog and in my e-mail newsletter.

I'll post here what I had to say.  It's a bit long and rambly but the current situation is just really ticking me off and a few honest answers would be nice.  Anyway  -- for what it's worth -- here's what I wrote to our readers:



What's the Deal with Nutro??


          Over the last few issues of the Digest, we've kept you informed about the situation with Nutro.  And in this issue, an update would say, "everything is the same.  More letters to consumeraffairs.com and that's about it."

           Personally, I find this situation rather alarming.  Partly because I had used Nutro for many years and recommended it to quite a few folks over the last eight years (I had switched off Nutro a year before the 2007 recalls simply to move to a higher grade (organic) food - I had no problems with Nutro).  Here we have people reporting that their animals are getting sick and some dying and the issue seems to dead-end with the letters to consumeraffairs.

           When I scour the internet, I can find many folks in forums and in their blogs all concerned with Nutro -- and they all point to the letters at CA.  But it's difficult to find mention of Nutro problems anywhere else.  Why is that?  And why haven't any of the other consumer protection or quality dog food advocates investigated this situation?  A few have indicated that they are watching the situation.  Watching the situation?  Hey, our pets may be getting poisoned and they're "watching"??

            And where's Nutro?  Why aren't they actively engaged in this conversation that seems to be growing with each passing week?  Surely this will eventually have an impact on their business. So what is going on here??

             That's really hard to say.  Nutro is a large company with many folks using their products.  If this was a massive problem, you can be sure there would be a lot more fallout.  But that's not to say that small batches couldn't be contaminated and there is always the possibility of a sicko disgruntled employee randomly messing with product.  And I would even accept the possibility of the whole thing being a disinformation campaign by a competitor.

             What is lacking is information.  There have been numerous reports of shortages of Nutro and people report having been told by "Nutro Reps" that some plants where shut down for various reasons: they're redoing their formulas to make the food taste better; they had some problems with some rice shipments, they had a bad batch of bags and are waiting for more, they're renovating their machines and for remodeling.  This could feed the perception that something is wrong with the food.

              I had been in the natural food business and other retail endeavors over the years and I'll tell you now that Reps generally know squat.  They are sales people trying to sell the food and rarely have inside info.  It makes sense to me that each Rep could have different info depending on what scuttlebutt they received from their personal grapevine.  It's not necessarily accurate.

              A few days ago, I came across a blog by a Nutro fan bitterly complaining about how she cannot find the Nutro food her dogs need for their health within a 200 mile plus radius ( http://texasdream.blogspot.com:80/2008/05/nutro-customers-beware.html  ).  This seems to be an independent roundabout corroboration of the shortage issue.   It also seems to be written by someone totally unaware of the current health rumors and is just feeling letdown by a company she relies on.

               Particularly after last years recalls, what is desperately needed in the entire industry is transparency and openness.  Here's a great opportunity for Nutro to break the mold and actively engage in this discussion.  You can bet they are aware of every comment made on the net as I'm sure they monitor it at least as I well as I do.

               This is a very difficult path for Nutro to walk.  If a scare about their food, accurate or just rumor, hits the mass media, the resulting reaction could cost the company millions and possibly even threaten their viability.  Any good corporate lawyer will tell you NOT to say anything, deal with incidents in a hush-hush way, correct whatever problems there are and move on without public comment.  This is true for ANY company.  Because of our litigious society, it's difficult to fault Nutro if they choose this legal self-preservation approach.

               When I've asked, I found quite a few folks with a very negative opinion about Nutro's customer service and their products.  Now, I find this to be true about ANY product or incident from ANY company - there's ALWAYS some folks who have problems - even the best companies are not perfect.  But in today's instant communication era, a few incidents can combine with speculation, rumor and misinformation, and quickly spin out of the control of a company's PR department.

               Here's the response I would like to hear from Nutro or ANY company in this situation:

     'We are very concerned about the reports of possible problems with some of our products.  We have or are attempting to contact each person who feels as such and will work with them individually to see if there is a connection with our product and their problem.  We are now collecting samples from around the country and are testing them.  We will publish all results on the internet as soon as we get them.  We are diligently working round the clock to investigate this matter. We believe this will show that we have a quality product.  If a problem is discovered, we will immediately report it, rectify it and keep everyone informed as to what is transpiring'.

               Corporately terse but honest, open and willing.  Companies may not yet be ready to have such a policy but the ones that eventually follow this path will find more success than they thought possible.  As more and more things become mega-this and mega-that, consumers are desperately looking for companies that are on their side. Companies, especially pet-food companies, that champion their customer will find rabidly loyal fans who would rather "fight than switch".

               Finally, speaking of those on our side, I still want to know where all our Watchdogs are??  Certainly there must be someone with clout looking into all this. Who?  Where are they??  Even more concerning is a report that I read recently that said that the FDA recently held a public meeting on Pet Food safety, and no owner/pet/animal advocate group was in attendence.  The meeting only lasted 90 minutes.

               The sad truth to all this is that we simply cannot afford to trust ANY pet food company at this point in time - or rather, as has been said in the past - "trust but verify".  Nor can we depend on others to stand vigilant watchguard over our interests as dog owners (& cat owners & critter owners, etc).  Hopefully this will change soon.  Till then, we're on our own....

                As always, we'll keep you all informed as to any developments!

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