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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2008, 12:18:10 PM » |
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yikes!! they look like beetle wings!! some kind of beetle in one of the food lots?
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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2008, 12:52:42 PM » |
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It's not bug parts--it's definitely of plant origin, and the company has admitted it is some kind of grain hull (in a "grain-free" food...). what's in the picture is just a fraction of what she threw up. I fed her about 2 tablespoons of food, and she threw up a couple teaspoons worth of the hulls about 12 hours later.
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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2008, 01:00:08 PM » |
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That's just a fraction of it?  Poor kitty. |
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2008, 01:03:46 PM » |
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maybe a bad load of guar gum powder with the seed hulls & pods left in? http://www.guargum.biz/guargum_manufacturing_process.htmllooks like the left over parts are used in cattle feed, so maybe they got dumped back into the powder? I think most guar gum comes from India now, maybe that doesn't get checked before adding. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2008, 06:20:14 PM » |
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a FRACTION of what the cat threw up! That is absolutely NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!!
I am really really wondering about this. Those flake-like hulls won't amount to much weight-wise, so why on earth will they want to use it as filler? The more sinister scenario is that a vat of the thing was accidently dumped into the mix, putting into question the QA protocol of the manufacturer.
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2008, 06:51:23 PM » |
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Wouldn't be the first time for that. I'm starting to think it happens alot more than is found out. The accidental dumping of something & not stopping the run.No matter what it is, its not supposed to be there.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2008, 06:24:56 AM » |
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I'm sorry to hear this, 5Cat. If you fed your cat 2 tablespoons of "food" and kitty threw up 2 teaspoons of hulls...
6 teaspoons = 2 tablespoons
2 teaspoons of vomited hulls = 1/3 of the volume of "food" eaten was nothing but hulls!
33% of the food eaten was hulls!
Someone asked about the weight of hulls being negligible. I'd think the hulls would bulk up/expand in moisture to a degree and absorb water weight. When thinking of human laxatives, isn't the plant fiber (cellulose/husks/fibers) absorbing water (bulking up) in the human colon what promotes that "full" feeling and a bowel movement?
WHAT is going on? SOMEBODY had better do some answering as to why hulls are in a grain-free food! If the contamination is so far reaching, it looks as though it may be more than not cleaning machines between runs. Look at the various flavors that were affected.
Good for you for pursuing this. The suggestion of going to your state agriculture dept. or cooperative extension service sounds like a good one. Let us know what you find out and good luck.
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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2008, 11:27:03 AM » |
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I can't offer an opinion about Nature Organics, but I have been finding whole kernels of dried corn in Evangers canned organic turkey. It also is supposed to be grain free. Could there be a common link here if Evangers processes both?
I did call Evangers last week and inform them of the corn in the food. They took my name, phone number, lot number, etc. but I have not heard from them since. The customer service rep seemed concerned and said she would notify quality control, but she did not ask for samples.
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2008, 10:55:31 AM » |
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Out of curiousity, I searched a few of my local pet stores and found a can of By Nature Organics Chicken & Chicken Liver cat food with the same numbers as one posted by 5cats. 2370E8 BB3 Best By Nov 2010. I opened it up and took approximately half of the food and mixed with water in a bowl. After draning off the water the "hulls" were evident and numerous. There were also thick globs of some sort of whiteish substance left after it was drained. If the problems with this food was known to be widespread by the company, why has this food not been recalled?   The remainder of the can is now in my freezer. |
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2008, 02:50:12 PM » |
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They need to do something about this - it sounds like a very bad case of contamination, and they don't even know what it is. I wonder if they have even looked into this with the canning plant.
I bought 5 cans for my mother's cats last week and had to call her to tell her not to use them when I saw this thread. I told her to hold them till I get to look at the dates on them. I think I will also open one & see if there are any hulls in those cans.
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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2008, 07:17:43 PM » |
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I wonder if they put whole guar beans in there, instead of the refined gum? You would have to be a very untrained worker not to catch that, though. The company better get on top of this. http://www.herbalextractsplus.com/guar-gum.cfm"Guar Gum is a water-soluble, dietary fiber that is mechanically extracted from the seed of the Guar bean by mechanical separation of the endosperm from hulls and germs of the seeds." |
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2008, 08:05:16 PM » |
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That's what I wondered too, Klondike. That link I posted has a pic of the hulls, and some other pics showed the peas or beans of the plant (it's in the bean family). They do separate the hulls & use them for cattle feed, so I was wondering if they accidentally dumped the hulls back into the guar gum powder. Most of it comes from India, so not sure if quality control is more variable over there. They have had recalls on too much arsenic before, so guess there are some issues with it.
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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2008, 08:13:06 PM » |
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If Evangers is doing the canning, I'll take you back to what customer service told me early last year.
The demand had increased so dramatically that they hired like crazy. I had ordered a case of 5.5 oz beef and liver cat food and was sent a case of 13oz beef and liver dog food. Customer service told me to donate the dog food to a shelter and she bemoaned the fact that the new hires could not read or write English. My comment was that there were pictures of dogs on the dog food cans ......but she was astute....if they can't read or write.........................
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Tortie cats are like Almond Joys........Very sweet and a little nuts
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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2008, 08:18:02 PM » |
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That at least would solve part of the puzzle if it turned out to be the hulls of the guar beans. The white lumps that I also found in the food did not disolve upon mixing with the water. One of the globs was slightly smaller than a dime. Now what the heck is it, a glob of guar gum? I will call the company tomorrow. It still baffles me that it was stated to 5cats that the contamination was widespread. Maybe because it is not a toxic substance they feel no recall is needed??
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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2008, 08:45:12 PM » |
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Could it be that rice hulls, a waste product, were used as a substitute for rice?
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Tortie cats are like Almond Joys........Very sweet and a little nuts
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