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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2008, 11:56:01 PM »

JJ -  are you feeding the fish formula?  I may be totally wrong on this, but I think it's the fish formula that has the bone fragments, not the original (chicken based?) formula.
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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2008, 12:02:27 AM »

not using the fish formula. the bag says Adult Formula All Breed which is chicken based. Was not interested in the fish one as this one has some fish in it also but not the main ingredients. Hopefully this will not spread to other dry varieties of Orijen. Finally found what I though was a safe food (kibble) in over a year and now to have to stop the dry again? Well hope they get to the bottom of this and make adustments so no more shards are found in their food. My local Pet Supplies Plus said they are going to come out with canned food also this year sometime later in the fall.
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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2008, 12:18:32 AM »

Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think the problem is just with the fish formula.  So if you're not having trouble with the chicken formula, you might be able to still use it.  Not sure if you're comfortable using it after the fish bone incident.
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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2008, 12:35:11 AM »

petslave good point. Is the problem only with the fish variety of Orijen? Would someone follow-up for us all so we know which food is affected with the shards? Thx!
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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2008, 01:13:53 AM »

We've been feeding Orijen Six Fish ever since it came out, rotating between Orijen Adult, which we were already feeding, and the new Six Fish.  No bone fragments found so far in any bag of either variety.  This isn't to say one way or the other if there are or are not bone fragments in some of the batches, but just reporting that none at all that we can see or feel in any of ours.  Not yet.  We also home cook, so that means w/ only one small dog (25# Jake) we're not exactly ripping thru bag after bag at warp speed.

Jake was recently at both the vet for his annual stuff and also at the groomer to get his long, thick, very shiny coat trimmed for summer because he had turned into a literal street sweeper and meadow debris collector as the feathering on his sides, legs and esp his tail brushed the ground and grass.  Both the vet and the groomer commented they had never seen a Cavalier w/ such a thick, long, and especially so shiny a coat.  It's either the home cooking or the dog food.  Remember this was the dog w/ such horrible skin and coat problems.  He itched. Scratched.  His coat was very dull and fell out in clumps for about a year.  Evidently he was allergic to something in the foods we had fed.  All of them.  The home cooking and/or Orijen turned him around.  This current bag of Orijen is the Medium size.  We used to purchase the small size bag.  The Six Fish fed over a longer period of time honestly does seem to have added additional shine to his coat.  Groomer just bathed him in regular shampoo, no rinse, no conditioner, no spray to finish and then trimmed him, leaving him looking like this:




I surely hope that if Orijen still has a problem screening their fish that they remedy it soon.  It would be really sad to see yet but one more PFI bite the dust.  Canned salmon, for instance, is still full of moisture and never dried out.  The bones are cooked soft, so soft they do not bother even young human children.  It would be a totally different thing to have long, sharp bones in slowly cooked dry kibble. 
(edited to replace photo that "fell off" due to change in site where stored)
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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2008, 08:32:16 AM »

I wrote to petfood@championpetfoods.com on June 20th:

My dogs have been treated for diarreah since June 11th.  I went back to feeding them Orijen with EVO kibble after fasting them and keeping them on chicken & rice.  I had a fecal test done and no parasites were found. They were back to normal until I fed them their regular diet yesterday morning & evening.  My one dog messed up the carpet this morning with diarreah.
This morning I noticed small white pieces in with your kibble.  One piece of kibble had a piece sticking up which felt like sharp plastic.  I pressed it against my finger and if I pressed hard enough it would have pierced my finger.

Have you had problems with this lot?   BB 10  JUN 09 #82660 1103081019 

This is very upsetting that my dogs have been suffering from diarreah most likely caused by your food.  I notified my Vet and he'll call me back. 
Please look into this matter ASAP.   I left a message with Charlie Kaufman in Quality Control.  Thank you.


Charlie did call me back & I did got an email from Customer Service the same day. 

This is my letter to Customer Service on June 20th:

Charlie Kaufman just returned my phone call. 
 
After discovering the pieces in the kibble, I went onto your website to see if there was a recall - I saw no warnings.  I called my Vet & the receptionist suggested I also check with the FDA to see if there were any recalls.  I then went on line to find the forums were aware of the bone fragments in Orijen since April.  I never noticed any fragments until today when one kibble had a large sharp piece sticking out. If I didn't notice that one piece sticking out, I would never have inspected the kibble to find other fragments. One lady posted: "I have a couple of dogs that had a bout of what I thought was colitis, but now I am thinking it was probably from eating the fish bones".  My Vet had earlier mentioned it could be colitis to me as well. So apparently my dogs were not the only ones with diarreah.  The diarreah stopped when I fed them cooked chicken & rice but started up again when I returned to Orijen.
 
I will return the two bags to the retailer & will show them the letter from Charlie if they are not aware of the lot numbers. 
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I returned the bags to the retailer who was totally unaware of the problem.  While I was shopping, she called the distributor and they claim they sent them an email.  The salesperson removed all the bags from the shelf.  I then called a retailer I know who sells Orijen to ask if he was aware of the problem.  He said he knew about it 8 weeks ago and that he never had the bad lot numbers.  He spoke to the distributor months ago and said these lots were not at his warehouse and said the problem was not in Florida.  That is not true.  The bags were still sitting on the shelf located in Florida where I also live.

What is upsetting to me is there is no warning on their website.  Are they trying to down play their blunder???  Not very responsible IMO.  BTW, it was the Adult kibble, not the 6Fish!
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« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2008, 08:44:26 AM »

Pamela please post the pics, would like to see exactly what the shards look like. I currently have a 15# bag I just bought but no bone fragments at all in it. This is fourth bag and so far did not find anything in any of the bags of Orijen. Thank you.

Can't find where I Stashed the photos. but I did put them on my forum, which I had forgotten about!  Once you have seen the photos, you will notice that at towards the bottom, I had *threads* on various forums (including Itchmo) <g> where they are talking about this in case anyone wants to read what some others have said.

http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-04-28-bones-shards-in-orijen-foods-t778.html#1078 

If anyone knows of any others, I wold love to add them to this growing list.
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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2008, 08:46:21 AM »

JJ,

The affected lot numbers made with salmon containing larger bone fragments are:

ORIJEN 6 FISH DOG 82659
ORIJEN ADULT DOG 82660, 82664, 82665
ORIJEN PUPPY LARGE BREED 82662
ORIJEN PUPPY 82558
ORIJEN SENIOR 82661
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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2008, 10:18:11 AM »

So is the bone problem now extending into lots that were not on the original recall list?
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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2008, 11:44:55 AM »

Yes, the bones are in other lot numbers. The bag and food I seen in person is not on their list of lot numbers. And the bag is a newer bag after they supposedly "fixed" the problem. 

They have been found in all Orijen not just Six Fish.

Update: Store owners dog is doing much better since being off the bone ridden Orijen. The vet suspects intestinal and stomach irritation. The owner no longer carries any Orijen and will likely not in the future. Actually a few around here have decided to send all of it back and not carry anymore. I myself agree with them. The company did not notify most retailers. Then said it was still safe to feed. (obviously its not). Then they say they fixed the problem and they haven't. Not to mention after seeing the kibble in person there is no way you could miss during their so called QC. They are very evident and they are in just about all the kibble. Not just a few like they said. There is no way I trust people that lie to make a buck and there is no way I will ever recommend this food to anyone I know. I have in the past and even fed to my dog a long time ago. Never again. Theres no reason for me to take chances like that. I don't believe their website has been updated with new lot numbers either. No theres no way I can trust them again. Too much left to chance.
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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2008, 11:48:05 AM »

Do all the Orijen formulas have fish? 

This makes me wonder if this isn't fish bones now.
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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2008, 11:52:40 AM »

I know that the cat Orijen does contain fish, too.  I haven't seen any bones in what I have used.
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2008, 11:58:58 AM »

Yep all formulas have fish. Whitefish and salmon I believe.
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2008, 12:06:03 PM »

And the cat Orijen hasn't been included in any of this bone recall/problems, has it.


All very strange.......
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2008, 12:18:42 PM »

runwith thx for the lot numbers. will take the list to store with and see if any match and then inform store owners about food.
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