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lovemymutt
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« on: August 01, 2007, 08:32:56 PM »

Hello,
 
  I read a review about Frontline, but could not find it again ( someone talked about calling the Frontline Co).  I have had this experience today & last week.  They told me that I had to use the product for 3 months before they would replace any unused product & using it on 2 dogs I would not have any left by then. They have a 1 time guarantee & if I return it to them I can never do it again.  What is up with that? so next time their product doesn't work I am out the $87.80 I spend?  I think their customer service stinks & I have spoken to two different cutomer service people.  I even called the manufacturer & they connected me with Frontline as they don't deal with this.  I bought 6 vials & got one free (from my vet) & I used the free vial attached to the outside of the box on my dog Ace, he is doing well.  I then opened the box & put one on Sam.  Within 4 days Sam had fleas & they got worse as the days went by, it has been a week & I remove more fleas on him daily. Ace has no fleas (he had one since being treated) & nor does my foster dog.  This to me says the box I got has a defective product in it.  They said they have not had any bad product this year. HOW would they know if you have to use it 3 months first.  I live in the Chicagoland area & it is too cold in the winter to use it.  I have a dog who has had seizures, I can't use most flea products on him or around him, so if they get fleas again (this is the first in 5 yrs & I don't use anything usually) I am stuck using a product with TERRIBLE customer service.  Thank you for allowing me to vent. I must say my vet's office will give me new product once they get new stock in with a new lot #. They have been more understanding than the Frontline Co.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2007, 11:12:51 AM »

A couple of years ago I bought Frontline from an Australian exporter online because it was cheaper. I tried it on my chihuahua and he had a reaction to it, sort of breathing difficulty. I washed him with Dawn liquid as required. I notified the Frontline company that I wanted my money back. I shipped it back to Australia and they credited me. Prior to that, I spoke on the phone to an 800 number which I guess is the U.S. and he gave me info on what to do. I do not use any more pesticides of any kind on my two chis. I do everything as healthy as I can..............essential oils, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 07:49:22 AM »

Hello,

  For 5 years I have controlled fleas naturally till this year when someone had there dog with flleas, at a place I had my dog & the fleas got on my dog Sam.  I have used garlic, apple cider vinegar, yeast, rosemary (fresh),& I feed my dogs a premium food along with food I prepare for them.  They get vitamin & mineral supplements & Sam sees a Integrative vet for natural treatment for seizures, which included herbs & acupuncture.
  I would love any other suggestions to keep the fleas off my dogs.  I only used Frontline after the exposure & they got fleas.  I don't like using chemicals on my dogs or around my house.  I have treated Sam, the yard & the house with Diatomaceous Earth (food grade) & it is killing the fleas, but they are not 100% gone yet. I am probably still dealing with the eggs hatching.  If anyone has any other natural ways to prevent fleas PLEASE let me know.  Thanks,  Debbie, Sam,Ace & Scooby (foster dog).
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2007, 10:57:28 PM »

Hello,

   I am probably still dealing with the eggs hatching.  If anyone has any other natural ways to prevent fleas PLEASE let me know.  Thanks,  Debbie, Sam,Ace & Scooby (foster dog).
One thing that does help is to vacuum daily.  I was told to put a flea collar in the vaccum bag.  That way I would not have to dispose of the bag each day to keep from having fleas actually hatch out in there, exit and once again have the cycle going in the house.  One year we had a sudden big flea problem.  This was decades ago and before the newer products so dips were about the only solution for most at that time.  Not wanting all the chemical exposure of dipping 5 Labrador Retrievers each week, we used a Betadine shampoo obtained from the vet every seven days.  It kept the fleas off.  We washed their bedding every week, vacuumed daily until winter came.  I don't know if all breeds would tolerate the weekly Betadine shampoo, but it worked for us.

While living on California coast, we had what might have been a type of sand flea (we never saw the pesky things) as well as regular fleas in the neighborhood.  A local doctor swore by feeding garlic tabs to dogs and humans alike to ward off the sand fleas or "no see ums."  We gave our 19# dog 2 garlic tabs per day, as well as brewers' yeast.  It totally worked, and the garlic tabs kept our own legs from getting bitten when we walked the coastal trail at night.  Now we tried garlic on our Cavalier last summer.  The low dose did not work against fleas brought home by next door neighbors' dog.  Also, garlic in certain amounts can be toxic for dogs, so do talk to your vet as well as people who have your breed before even trying it.  Evidently it works for some dogs in some instances but most it does not help.  It does take a while to build up in the system.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 07:31:06 PM »

thanks for the ideas. I have used garlic for my dogs for years.  They get it in the food I prepare & capsules daily.  I am using Diatomaceous Earth in the house & around the yard to help kill the fleas.  It takes 24-48 hours to kill them, so I can only vacuum every few days unless I put it down daily & that does not seem to be the manufacturers recommendation.  I am due to vacuum again tomorrow, so I hope it is cool enough to send the dogs outside for a while. I don't want them breathing in the powder too much. It is safe, but like any powder it is not good for anyone to breath it in a lot(I wear a mask).  I am just tired of even finding a single flea on my dogs, my one dog is allergic to them.  I can not use any chemicals in the house or around my dog Sam, because in the past this has triggered cluster seizures.  The DE I vaccum up will kill any fleas in the vacuum bag so that helps be save on bags.  Thanks & again I appreciate the input on this site & those who are willing to try & help others with questions or concerns.  Debbie, Sam,Ace & Scooby (foster dog)
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 09:21:46 AM »

I purchased a 3 pack of Frontline Plus from my vet. I have used regular Frontline for years, with no issues. Now, all they have is FP. OK, my Pom and my CRF girl both reacted badly. They never reacted before. I checked out the package for details. It says it was made in France. I cannot find anywhere, inside or outsiode, or on the product itself, any expiration date. Only a lot number. Is this normal? Has anyone else purchased, here in the USA, any FP made in France, with no expirey on it? If so, did you have any issues with it?
I cannot say to much here, but, my vet, who worked for the practice, has quit, and is in the process of opening his own hospital. Let's just say he is fed up, with all of it.
I have never had any fleas on my kids. I just do not feel safe using this. The distributor and the com[any are of no help. I was inder the impression, that by law, these products were supposed to have an expiration date on them. I am just so non-trusting of all of it at this point. I am hoping someone here can shed some light on this. I am afraid to use it again. Another $60.00 out the window. We cannot get any support from the government or the companies. I am at my wits end.
Thanks in advance, for any input you may have.
PMM
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 09:43:25 AM »

PMM,

There was a problem with counterfeit products.  There is some information here as to how counterfeits can be identified.   I don't know if this is still going on.  Hope your babies are okay.

http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsheets/petproduct.htm

JustMe

P.S.,

I have an old package of Frontline Plus for Cats.  made in France.  I do not find an expiration date on it either, on the box or on the actual applicators. 

I guess I better dispose of them.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 10:08:48 AM »

Regarding expiration dates--I found out this about Advantage, so it may also be true for Frontline.  When Advantage first came out, it had expiration dates.  I bought it from my vet the first few times, only using it very infrequently when needed.  A few years passed with few fleas, then I needed to use it the next year.  No expiration date on my saved product so I wasn't sure if I could safely use it after a few years. 

Vet said they quit putting the date on there because they found it was effective indefinitely.  It saved money by having no expiration date so they didn't have to throw out older inventory that was still good.  Don't throw it out just because of no expire date without checking with the company--this probably isn't an indicator of counterfeit product. 

Thanks for that link, JustMe--that's great info to have.  Looks like they really did a good job counterfeiting Advantage!

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2007, 08:52:07 AM »

Thank you petslave and JustMe for your input. I appreciate it very much. The link was very informative, but, for my purposes, not specific enough. It says the Lot #'s on the box and the tubes have to match. Well, mine have the same numbers, but, the box has two letters after the number, which are part of the number. So, basically, they do not match. When did they stop putting on the expiration date? This is the first package I have ever had that had no expiration date. All I read was the usual rhetoric of the government. Just enough to make it look like they are doing something, but not enough to really help the pet owners. No recall issued. No refund of the big bucks you paid. Just throw it out?Huh?? And that helps who?Huh Again, protecting the bottom line of the seller,as opposed to protecting the consumer. Truth be, this is the first time I ever purchased Frontline in the USA. I always order it from Australia. Each and every package I ever received from Australia was made in the USA, and was dated. I also never had any of my animals have a negative reaction. Is this another case of the "made in the USA", safe and good products, that are sold out of country, and we get the garbage made in foreign countries sold to us??
I appreciate your help so much, I cannot express my gratitude. I am not throwing it out. I am taking it back to the vet, and getting my money back. The vet can deal with his supplier. I am sick and tired of being sold inferior and potentially lethal products for my kids, and receiving no support at all from either the vets, or the companies that supplied me with the toxic product. I do not feel it is OK, and, again, just my own opinion, to keep passing the emotional devastation of loss, the financial expense, and the on going emotional expense and heartache, in caring care for oursuffering, permanently damaged, fur companions, on to the consumer. It has to stop somewhere. Do they actually believe by hushing it all up, by doing nothing to protect our pets, that we will forget and let it go?
Oh, yes, on different packages of Frontline, the dose, for the small dogs is not always the same. On some it is .5ml, and on some it is .67ml? The vet did not have a clue. I have not called the company, nor do I intend to. I am tired of their "Could not care less" attitude, and never receiving an appropriate response to my questions. Also, the ingredient (S)-methoprene, a non-toxic flea sterilizer, until recently, was exactly the same in all types of Frontline. If you compared the cat Frontline to the dog, the ingredients were exactly the same. The small dog, (under 22lbs), ingredients and doseage were exactly the same as the cats. But, the cat product was less expensive. For the exact same product. The ingredients and dosage were identical. They still are, except now they have raised the (S)-methoprene, for cats, 2%. This, combined with the new dosage of .67ml's, is, I suppose, to make us think there is a difference in the products? I really do not know.
What I do know, is for the past 12 years, the heaviest animal in this house was my Maine Coon cat, (diabetic/CRF kitty), at 14.5lbs. My Shelties were 12 and 13.5lbs. As the product was identical, and the one labeled "for cats" was much less expensive, I used the cat one on both my cats and my dogs. Never had a reaction, or a flea. Now, there is so much diversity in the Frontline labeling, I just cannot trust it anymore.
Again, all of this is my own opinon, from my own experiences.
Sorry for the vent. But, the members here are the only people I know who truly care. The sellers, manufacturers, and the government certainly do not.
JustMe, thanks for the kind thoughts about my kids. They are just fine. I did not use the Frontline again. Nor do I intend to. The effect on my diabetic/CRF kitty was terrifying. My Pom got sick, but Pixie went into a severe renal attack. i try to be fair. I know she has this terrible condition, which can act up any time. But, if she never reacted in 12 years, and my dog also reacted, it told me to start to investigate. I am so glad I did.
Thank you all, so much.
PMM
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 06:35:03 AM »

I found this board using a Google search for Frontline Plus. I have used it for almost nine years on my dog with no problem. The last box I bought, made in France Lot #C61606, has not worked at all. I was looking on-line to see if it had been recalled
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 01:35:21 PM »

lovemymutt, I used to use a flea comb on my cats (present cats don't care for it, so I don't use it now). It's a small comb with very fine teeth, I've lost track of the supplier but you can probably find one online. I have no experience with dogs but I think it's supposed to work the same way. It pulls the fleas right out of the fur, but not the eggs. Used in combination with other methods, it definitely helps. And it's time spent with your pet if you have that time available.

PMM, I am glad your animals are doing well now. I have used Frontline on my cats, and it was all Made in France.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2008, 04:19:48 PM »

I use Revolution on My pets. But I don't like Frontline at all. and Revolution is probably too strong for your pets. If it is only fleas I always reccomned Advantage. I worked for a vet for 12 years, and I know the advantage does work best. I have seen it put on, and watched the fleas drop dead right on the vets table.
If Your pets have any reactions, put Dawn dishwashing liquid on them, give them a bath in it, that's what We did at the vets.
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2008, 04:21:24 PM »

I also meant to say, I would take what you have right now and take it back to the vets.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 05:17:25 AM »

 I don't use flea prep. very often as my dog swims a lot during the summer & that seems to help  but the last time that I used Frontline Plus it did not work.   Within a week, I found a few fleas.   Since I don't really like to use the chemicals, I have been using a flea comb.   Every day I spray with a solution of cider vinegar, a little added water, listerine original mouthwash.   This has worked for him.   I try to keep him off of grass & walk on paved areas.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2008, 06:55:00 AM »

I'm trying Flea Treats......Vitamin B Complex Dietary Supplement for Cats & Dogs.  The people at the small pet store where I shop swear by them.  Hannah has only been on them for maybe a month or two so I won't really know until the warm weather whether or not they work.

I was paying through the nose for both Frontline Plus & Advantage.....one of the last times I put Frontline on her, when she was at the vet's office on her back begging for a belly rub, we found a flea.  I had already decided to look for an alternative as I hate putting chemicals on her......then I discovered these.

If you want to check them out, go to www.fleatreat.com

They are liver-flavored treats & Hannah loves them. Smiley
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