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Author Topic: Crystals on Kumpikat?  (Read 9789 times)
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EricV
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2007, 11:40:22 AM »

KatieKat,
I get it from Treats Unleashed (www.treats-unleashed) in the Forum Shopping Center in Columbia. They have all dry varieties (I believe) and multiple canned variaties in the 5 and 12 oz sizes. Wellness is rather expensive ($19 for the 5.5 lb bag), just so you know. They also sell several other 'good quality' foods (Canidae/Felidae, Nature's Variety, Solid Gold, Natura, etc.).

The only place in Fulton that Wellness says sells their products (Paradise Pets) didn't have any when I checked. In fact, the only 'good' they sold was Flint River Ranch (all their others were Hill's products, I believe).
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2007, 02:01:29 PM »

KatieKat,
I get it from Treats Unleashed (www.treats-unleashed) in the Forum Shopping Center in Columbia. They have all dry varieties (I believe) and multiple canned variaties in the 5 and 12 oz sizes. Wellness is rather expensive ($19 for the 5.5 lb bag), just so you know. They also sell several other 'good quality' foods (Canidae/Felidae, Nature's Variety, Solid Gold, Natura, etc.).

The only place in Fulton that Wellness says sells their products (Paradise Pets) didn't have any when I checked. In fact, the only 'good' they sold was Flint River Ranch (all their others were Hill's products, I believe).

Thanks, Treats Unleashed is wherre I got the EVO, I guess I need to get back there and really look at what else they have.   Spoody is home and they finally got him to eat some of the Hill's RX this  morning, he seems to be pretty darn energetic for what he just went through! He has meowed and chirpped my ear off since he has been home, I am sure telling me all about it lol.


Oh what did the Dr have to say about feeding your kitties the Wellness?  Is she ok with it?

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2007, 02:23:54 PM »

I never talked to the doc about it. Everytime I've spoken with her about food, it's nothing but "feed Hill's...". I've went off others' experiences, said lots of prayers and knocked on lots of wood. If you happen to talk to the doc about Wellness, I'd love to know what she says.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2007, 04:26:24 PM »

Well - my cat had crystals or so we thought.  After three tests we confirmed he was simply too stressed by the vet visit.  This is what I found on salt by the way:

o   Comparison of sodium in various foods (dry matter basis):  Hill's s/d = .41%, Purina UR = 1.17% Royal Canin SO = 1.3% (high!)  Wellness Chicken = .34%, Wellness Turkey = .3%  NRC upper sodium limit of 1.5%) 

http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/cms/portals/_default/pdfs/other-publications/HIADV06.FLUTDNovH.pdf
o   SPONSORED BY AN EDUCATIONAL GRANT FROM HILL'S PET NUTRITION, INC.  Increasing the salt content of  food has also been shown to increase water intake and urine dilution in cats.  The Association of American Feed Control Officials recommends a minimum sodium content for healthy adult cats of 0.2% (DMB). However, the National Research Council has noted that it is difficult to suggest a safe upper limit. For cats with chronic kidney disease, lower urinary tract disease, and other conditions, the safe upper limit remains unknown. Evidence suggests that high-sodium foods may result in progressive decline in renal function in cats with undetected early kidney disease. Thus, the risks of feeding high-sodium foods may outweigh the benefits.

Dr Claudia Kirk: Dietary salt supplementation can be highly effective in stimulating increased water consumption and urine dilution.  However, direct evidence supporting a clinical benefit to the management of FLUTD has been lacking. Early reports found dietary salt supplementation had no impact on preventing experimental struvite urolithiasis
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2007, 04:29:44 PM »

JustMe posted info from catinfo.org - that is Dr Lisa Pierson's site. 

The other Dr I mentioned was Dr Hodgkins (I think you now need to register to see her forum):
 http://www.yourdiabeticcat.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2550   (Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins)
o   My FUS cats all go on canned high protein/low carb or, if I can make the case, on raw. This not only cures the problem, which is NO surpise since it simply reverses the nonsensical retrofitting that the pet food companies have been doing for decades, but it also upgrades the patient's entire nutritional well being at the same time, preventing all of the other problems associated with these plastic, dangerous, untested diets. 


Also, this is the thread I was remembering: 
http://www.itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/what-would-you-do-struvite-crystals-again-t995.0.html

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2007, 07:41:02 AM »

wysong makes a supplement you can sprinkle on food to help with crystals. it may increase your food choices. you can also dip stick the urine a couple times a month to make sure you are maintaining a neutral PH  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2007, 10:19:55 AM »

Some cats just seem predisposed to crystals.  One of my 6 cats got completely blocked 4 times over the last 3 years on every high quality dry food out there, including Wysong's Uretic formula, which is supposed to be for that conditon.  Once I started to feed him canned every other day for one meal, he never had trouble after that.  Now they all get only canned food (Wellness & Felidae).
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