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Author Topic: Crystals on Kumpikat?  (Read 9790 times)
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KatieKat
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« on: August 06, 2007, 07:32:34 PM »

I had been feeding Kumpi and had one cat block and another had them but not blocked yet.

 I was told by the owner that I was the first person to ever report crytals on Kumpi.....anyone else have cats that developed crystals while on Kumpi. I was feeding this exclusively.   Needless to say I am VERY upset!
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Nabiya
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2007, 07:38:42 PM »

I had been feeding Kumpi and had one cat block and another had them but not blocked yet.

 I was told by the owner that I was the first person to ever report crytals on Kumpi.....anyone else have cats that developed crystals while on Kumpi. I was feeding this exclusively.   Needless to say I am VERY upset!
EricV posted on another forum that one of his cats developed urinary crystals on KumpiKat.  Not sure if you mean the urinary tract itself or the kidneys had the crystals develop.
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KatieKat
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2007, 07:53:55 PM »

I had been feeding Kumpi and had one cat block and another had them but not blocked yet.

 I was told by the owner that I was the first person to ever report crytals on Kumpi.....anyone else have cats that developed crystals while on Kumpi. I was feeding this exclusively.   Needless to say I am VERY upset!
EricV posted on another forum that one of his cats developed urinary crystals on KumpiKat.  Not sure if you mean the urinary tract itself or the kidneys had the crystals develop.

Thanks, I wonder if he talked with the owner about it?
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2007, 02:16:07 AM »

KatieKat,  How is your kitty?  Is she in the hospital?  On special diet now?  Is it struvite or oxalate crystals or ?

I had a male almost completely block with struvite and a female with oxalate (different dry food).  Vet put them on prescription wet food.  All my cats are on wet food now. 

Please keep us posted.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2007, 03:10:42 AM »

KatieKat,  How is your kitty?  Is she in the hospital?  On special diet now?  Is it struvite or oxalate crystals or ?

I had a male almost completely block with struvite and a female with oxalate (different dry food).  Vet put them on prescription wet food.  All my cats are on wet food now. 

Please keep us posted.

THey are boys and it was struvite, the one that was blocked comes home today and the one boy that wasn't came home yesterday, they put them on Hilll's RX wet.   Spoody the one that was blocked is not eating the Hill's at the vets, but he is soooooo picky about food & a big mama's boy, he may eat it for me here at home, he hates the vet his feet get all sweaty whenever I take him in for routine care.

Looks like I will have to be feeding more wet.  I was feeding strictly the dry.  My boys with the crystals are 5 & 4

I am on the hunt for good wet foods now with good numbers for preventing crystals.  I also have 2 other kitties a 3 year old boy and a girl kitten she is 3.5 months old. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2007, 03:39:41 AM »

KatieKat,

I sent you a PM (personal message).  Just to keep in mind if cats don't care for Hill's, there are several different brands of rx foods for struvite crystals.  I was able to take my kitties off the rx food once their crystal problem had cleared up and they were on mostly wet foods (with my vet's approval, of course).  If they were getting mostly dry, it is probably a big adjustment for them to eat wet.  Mine liked rx Royal Canin S/O wet. 

You probably already know this, but since you have more than 2 cats, you should not give rx food to the healthy cats, unless your vet has prescribed it.  I made that mistake when my male blocked with struvite. 

Spoody will be much happier when he comes home and gets back into his routine. 

Good thing you brought them into the vet.  phew! 

You have a kitten!  How sweet.

Anyway, sorry to get preachy.  I don't mean it to sound preachy, but I get carried away sometimes.  Hugs to your kitties.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2007, 04:11:08 AM »

KatieKat,

I sent you a PM (personal message).  Just to keep in mind if cats don't care for Hill's, there are several different brands of rx foods for struvite crystals.  I was able to take my kitties off the rx food once their crystal problem had cleared up and they were on mostly wet foods (with my vet's approval, of course).  If they were getting mostly dry, it is probably a big adjustment for them to eat wet.  Mine liked rx Royal Canin S/O wet. 

You probably already know this, but since you have more than 2 cats, you should not give rx food to the healthy cats, unless your vet has prescribed it.  I made that mistake when my male blocked with struvite. 

Spoody will be much happier when he comes home and gets back into his routine. 

Good thing you brought them into the vet.  phew! 

You have a kitten!  How sweet.

Anyway, sorry to get preachy.  I don't mean it to sound preachy, but I get carried away sometimes.  Hugs to your kitties.

Thanks for the heads up about the Royal Canin, i will ask my vet about this today!!!

I found my baby girl Tink, under a car in the grocery store parking lot when she was about 6 weeks old, she was crying her eyes out and people were just looking and ignoring here,  she is all black. she was pretty dehydrated, hungry and had a pretty bad ear infection.  She is now healthy and the most loving, talkative little thing Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2007, 04:15:58 AM »

Awww, poor little Tink.  Thank goodness you found her. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2007, 04:27:53 AM »

Royal Canin S/O is very high in sodium.  I would not use for any length of time if it were me.  In fact, for struvite crystals, there are a couple of well known vets that do not use prescription diets at all - Dr Lisa Pierson and Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins.  High protein canned food is what they use.   I don't have time (have to get to work) to search on old links but I think there is a long post on this subject someplace on this forum.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2007, 04:32:17 AM »

One of my five ended up at the vet with a urinary tract infection and then later developed struvite crystals. He was eating KumpiKat exclusively at the time. However, since the infection came on first, the vet isn't sure what caused the crystals. However, after being on Hill's for a while and now eating Wellness, the crystals were nearly all gone at last check. My vet did say that changing foods to quickly, especially to a higher quality protein food can cause crystal formation. So that may have been it. I've mentioned it to Evy, but I can't say for sure that the food is the culprit, as my other four have all been okay. I still mix a bit of Kumpi with the other dry.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2007, 04:49:09 AM »

Royal Canin S/O is very high in sodium.  I would not use for any length of time if it were me.  In fact, for struvite crystals, there are a couple of well known vets that do not use prescription diets at all - Dr Lisa Pierson and Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins.  High protein canned food is what they use.   I don't have time (have to get to work) to search on old links but I think there is a long post on this subject someplace on this forum.
Oh, thanks for the information about RC S/O Jenny.  Yikes.  Wonder if they put the sodium in there to make the cats drink more.   Not a good thing if kitty has heart issues.

KatieKat,  Here is some information in the meantime until Jenny can post again.  But in your case, your cat (a male) actually blocked, so you need to follow your vet's instructions at least until the problem clears up, in my opinion, as blockage in a male is a very serious condition, possibly life-threatening condition, as you unfortunately found out.
http://catinfo.org/
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Eventually they will understand,
Replied the glorious cat
For I will whisper into their hearts
That I am always with them
I just am....forever and ever and ever.
Poem for Cats, author unknown

"A kitten in the animal kingdom is like a rosebud in a garden", author unknown
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2007, 06:04:57 AM »

  Justme, That is exactly the reason they add salt to pet foods, to get them to drink more water. It is also sometimes used to make a crappy food more tasty to the pet. Excessive salt can cause hypertension and kidney problems. Iodized salt also may be linked to the increase of hyperthyroidism in cats. Info on salt is way down at the bottom of this page.  http://www.messybeast.com/cat-food-industry.htm
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KatieKat
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2007, 06:30:17 AM »

Royal Canin S/O is very high in sodium.  I would not use for any length of time if it were me.  In fact, for struvite crystals, there are a couple of well known vets that do not use prescription diets at all - Dr Lisa Pierson and Dr Elizabeth Hodgkins.  High protein canned food is what they use.   I don't have time (have to get to work) to search on old links but I think there is a long post on this subject someplace on this forum.
Oh, thanks for the information about RC S/O Jenny.  Yikes.  Wonder if they put the sodium in there to make the cats drink more.   Not a good thing if kitty has heart issues.

KatieKat,  Here is some information in the meantime until Jenny can post again.  But in your case, your cat (a male) actually blocked, so you need to follow your vet's instructions at least until the problem clears up, in my opinion, as blockage in a male is a very serious condition, possibly life-threatening condition, as you unfortunately found out.
http://catinfo.org/

THANKS for the info!!  I had scanned that site before but really never paid it that much attention, I definately have some things to relearn about my kitties, I am going to follow the vets advice until I really learn all about this and give my kitties time to heal, and I will get the vets ok on any food i feed later down the line.  I don't completely trust myself to make the best decisions right now for them.
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2007, 07:07:23 AM »

Something I should have added earlier:

My cat got his UTI and crystals during the beginning of the dry recalls. We switched dry foods around 6 times in 2 to 3 weeks. The Kumpi was last switch before my cat ended up at the vet.

To clarify, my vet seemed to think that the crystals were likely a result of multiple things, including the UTI, multiple quick changes of food, and suddenly being fed a higher protein food. So I definitely cannot say that Kumpi caused my cat to have crystals, although it could have been a contributing factor in a line of unfortunate circumstances. I'm certainly no vet, so I really don't know.
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KatieKat
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2007, 10:39:49 AM »

Something I should have added earlier:

My cat got his UTI and crystals during the beginning of the dry recalls. We switched dry foods around 6 times in 2 to 3 weeks. The Kumpi was last switch before my cat ended up at the vet.

To clarify, my vet seemed to think that the crystals were likely a result of multiple things, including the UTI, multiple quick changes of food, and suddenly being fed a higher protein food. So I definitely cannot say that Kumpi caused my cat to have crystals, although it could have been a contributing factor in a line of unfortunate circumstances. I'm certainly no vet, so I really don't know.

I had a couple of switches, only one was abrupt due to the Natural Balance recall, went straight to Innova EVO, and they were on that for about 6-8 weeks when I did the gradual change to Kumpi.   Had the recalls not happened I probably would still be feeding the NB Venision & Green pea, as the all did very well on that and where on it for about 5  months before the recall.  I do believe the stress of all the switching can be a factor as well as the protien levels and other levels ie phosphorous, magnesium etc.  I also had not been feeding wet which I think is a huge contributor after everything I have learned the last couple of days.  I am seriously considering going 90% wet for them after this and only give a small portion of kibble.

EricV I know you live in the same town and we use then same vet lol.... are  you getting the Wellness at Fulton or Columbia?  And do they carry the canned?  I would rather drive than to pay shipping for anything.
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