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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2008, 12:20:09 PM » |
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Wow, BlesstheBeast... THANK You for that great research... and, you know... I think I'll be going along what you recommend... just to be on the safe side... its a pity becuase brushing my cat's back molars with 25-75 HP and water really kept plaque and tartar are bay... there are many kitty toothpastes that I don' like to use... when I used a little bicarbonate of soda to brush my cats' teeth, someone in the forum said, "Oh no - that will mess up their pH and inclide the cat to form crystals..." hayyyyy... But from now on, I think I will use the HP solution very very very sparingly if at all... just to be on the safe side.... afterall, my olderst kitty is getting on to his senior years... can't afford to mess with that  Aain, Thank you for your informative post - this is what we are here for - to share experience nd knowledge with each other Your furbabies are obviously well-looked after! |
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2008, 12:24:29 PM » |
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Look at all the soy added to pet food, and we know that the polyphenols in soy such as genistein affect the endocrine system, too. I believe it was Tufts who found genistein in the urine of cats fed commercial diets and that soy fed to cats increased thyroid hormone T4 but not T3, indicating that genistein may affect the conversion of T4 to the all important T3.
I just read this again... that's disturbing... do you have any info if lecithin from soy has genistein? I will look it up... but I just thought to ask. Then again, if genistein in showing up in the urine, then that can only mean that it is being excreted from the body. |
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2008, 09:26:00 PM » |
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Hi Kaffe...There might be very small amounts of soy in standard lecithin. You can purchase egg yolk lecithin. The brand I have on hand is Nature's Plus.
As for my cats' teeth, I wish they would chew on chicken necks (but at least they're back to eating some raw...they got finicky on me a while back and started refusing the raw). I think the subject of probiotics for oral health is an interesting one. Actually, I'm trying to find information on which probiotics might help to inhibit gum disease. They say that the probiotics in yogurt help to prevent gum disease in humans. I wonder if a little organic yogurt would be good for the cats?
Right now, I'm alternating with just a tiny bit of folic acid and lactoferrin. Finally, I'm getting the hang of how to get to their back teeth with the baby toothbrush...it has taken me months. Months!
All the best to you and your beastie babies...Annie
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2008, 12:22:41 AM » |
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Great stuff, Annie! I haven;t been too happy with the lecithin I have here anyway... they are capsules of the hardest kind! I need granules.
Wysong has DentaTreat which is comprised mainly of freindly bacteria and digestive enzymes... there are other brands as well... some people say "sure they work" while others are a bit more skeptical. I think Alek0 has tried Wysong.
Glad your kitties are now cooperating with the oral hygeine ritual. The younger you start the better they come to accept it. I'm sure your kitties will benefit from your special care of their teeth.
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2008, 06:48:40 AM » |
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Kaffe & Annie- I've been getting the granules from Lewis-Labs.com . The aren't cheap,but the shipping is reasonable & it comes quickly.If you email them they will probably send samples & the product inserts.
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2008, 01:40:47 PM » |
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Kaffe & Annie- I've been getting the granules from Lewis-Labs.com . The aren't cheap,but the shipping is reasonable & it comes quickly.If you email them they will probably send samples & the product inserts.
THANKS Lesleik! |
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 03:44:44 AM » |
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I tried Wysong Dentatreats but I have no idea whether it works. My girls have OK teeth and they like Dentatreats, while Stefie who had problems with his teeth and gums didn't like it.
Basically it is just a powder which smells very similar to parmesan cheese. Girls love cheese, Stefie doesn't. If your cat likes cheese, I guess doesn't hurt to try, but since girls had no problems I can't say if it works, but at least based on ingredients it should be fine to give it a try. If nothing else, cheese loving kitties are crazy aboout the stuff.
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2008, 05:58:05 PM » |
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This is an old post but.....I had to say "Oh great, I just bought some CET toothpaste for my cats, and here I read its not good for them. ahhhhhhhhh I really need to read these forums before I go out shopping! I just bought them some petrodex too and they hated that, so that is why I bought the CET. Maybe I will try the Wysong Dentatreats, but I highly doubt they sell it here in Canada.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2008, 06:02:28 PM » |
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My Zoey has ALLERGIC GINGIVITIS and the vet said good old baking soda and a finger ...
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2008, 10:35:26 PM » |
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Sharky, is that baking soda mixed with any water? What is the ratio you use? We are still fighting the juvie gingivitis battle with Sophers but at least we are keeping it under control. It is much better than it was when we first got her but still not completely gone. The gums are still reddish pink but not the angry red and swollen that they had been. Right now we are using saline water every other day and chlorohexidine diluted every other day. Nothing else we have tried has helped. Next Im ordering the pet swabs Kaffe talked about earlier in this thread. Sophers has graduated to a very good patient in the toofs brushing category.....as long as her dad holds her paws and talks to her while Im afflicting the torture.  |
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2008, 01:50:44 AM » |
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Sandi - have you tried Biotene antiseptic gel? I swear by that stuff. It is all I use now. Clears up the redness virtually overnight.
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2008, 06:43:48 AM » |
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Kaffe, no I havent tried the gel. Im ordering the dental swabs today so will add the Biotene gel into the order and give it a shot. Thanks so much for that info! So it really helped your's?
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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2008, 07:05:49 AM » |
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Okay, CJ is needing a dental but we don't want to put her under anesthesia so I'm looking for something that can clean off the tartar and healthy up the gums. Do any of these products sound like they are safe enough for her? I'm pretty cautious, as you all might imagine, because of her . . . medical issues. What do you all think?
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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2008, 07:29:48 AM » |
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Scooter gets her dental on Friday. She had really swollen red gums & feline acne when I got her. Solved the acne with her glass/metal bowls and the swollen lip from allergic reaction to Castor Pollux kibbles.
I'll ask the vet tomorrow if she thinks the remaining redline is some allergic gingivitis ...
I had looked at the Biotene mouthwash and it had proplyene glycol in it (not for cats??) .. does the gel have it too? I need to find something I guess for long term care.
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2008, 07:35:55 AM » |
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Although some vets do recommend baking soda for cleaning teeth, it contains extremely high levels of sodium. This high level of sodium may cause a reaction, digestive upset, and/or health problems for some animals. Especially for those pets who suffer with a heart problem. Best to use one that is specially designed for a cat or dog. Remember, they can't spit it out.  |
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