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« on: September 17, 2009, 06:47:31 PM »

Has anyone used this product or any product from this company?

           http://www.nutri-vet.com/uri-ease-paw-gel

Mandy had been eating Hill's prescription c/d since March after having surgery for struvite bladder stones and a severe UTI.  A few weeks ago, she started refusing to eat it.  I got a prescription from my vet for Royal Canin Urinary S/O to try, but after a few days, she didn't want that either!  Undecided  I had to keep her eating because she was about to have her I131 treatment and I wanted to be sure she would eat while at Radiocat.  So, after also trying ProPlan for Urinary Tract Health (which she ate, but not really enthusiastically), I went back to good old Fancy Feast, which she had eaten for years without a problem.  But, I was afraid that her urine pH might rise since she wasn't eating the prescription food.  So, I found the above product to give her as a urine acidifier.  Although it was only for about 2 weeks before her I131, when I checked her urine with the pH strips, it seemed to be staying in the acidic range.  I haven't been able to check it since she had the treatment, though, because of the radioiodine precautions with her urine and stool.  I am hoping everything is still okay.  My question is, has anyone used this, or, if using another urine acidifier, what are you using?  I haven't checked with my vet about any of this yet.  Plan to do so when we go for her 1 month T4 in about 2 weeks.  He is very pro prescription diet for the problem she had, and says his experience has been that cats that go back to a regular diet have a repeat of the crystals or stones.  He has said, however, that a regular food with a urine acidifier would be okay because no food is a good food if the cat won't eat it!   Wink 

     Any information about anyone's experiences with this would be most welcome!   Smiley 
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 07:08:54 PM »

I haven't used that product, but I think others here have used other Nutri-vet products and liked them. 

I did get acidifiers from vets for two cats with struvite crystals in the past, and was told not to give them for too long since they can push crystal formation the other way to oxalate crystals.  But it's probably safe to give her the acidifier till you can actually test and see where she's at on urine pH.  Maybe someone else feeding just FF can test their cat to give you an idea of what that food does for urine pH. 

What food was Mandy on before her struvite surgery?  My Manx with chronic struvite blocks has been fine since we nixed the dry food, but if I remember, Mandy was on canned already.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2009, 08:05:35 PM »

petslave,
     Mandy has always eaten wet food, and she was eating Fancy Feast before her surgery.  I can't say that I think her food caused her problem, but I just don't know for sure.  Some of the flavors of Fancy Feast she was eating were not grain-free, although most were.  There were just 2 that she really liked that were not grain-free and I continued them even after the recalls since Fancy Feast and Purina were not recalled.  She is now only getting grain free flavors, mostly turkey & giblets and chicken feast.  There are other factors that can also play into developing the crystals and stones, one of which is their own metabolism.  I wonder if developing hyper-T made a difference there.  We discovered the hyper-T when she was hospitalized for the bladder stones.  If I can't get her to eat the prescription food, I will try to add some other foods that are supposed to keep pH low.  Will have to do some research.  I have heard what you said about the urine acidifiers going too far the other way, and that is one concern that I do have with using them. However, I think that the pH has to get to be very, very low and, hopefully, I can keep track with my test strips and periodic checks at the vet.  Thanks for your in-put.   Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 08:31:49 PM »

I had used some feline vitamins from nutri vet,but that was 2 years ago. No problems with it other than the cats didn't like them, the neighbors cats did & finished them up. I think petsave is right though about someone here using their products. Maybe someone using FF can test like she suggested,so you have an idea of ph on that food ?
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 08:47:47 PM »

leslie,
     I am also using the Nutri-Vet vitamins that come in a tube and Mandy readily licks it off my finger.  It is hard to get her to eat anything that looks like a pill, so this works well!   Cheesy  I never really gave her vitamins before just for this reason, but when her WBCs were low before the I131, my vet suggested vitamins to boost her immune system.  Not supposed to give any supplements containing iodine before I131, so the Nutri-Vet was the one I could find that did not have any iodine in it.  My vet gave me some NuCat, but then I discovered it had kelp in it, so I couldn't use it.  I don't think he realized there was an iodine restriction before I131. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 07:55:38 AM »

Thanks Mandycat,maybe I'll try the tube type. My 2 won't lick the Nutrical though. Acted like it was poison !
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 08:56:34 AM »

This looks like a decent product, maybe check it out:

http://www.vetriscience.com/ut-strength-everyday-soft-cats.php

My mom gives her one urinary tract challenged cat dilute juice from fresh cranberries. I know the benzoic acid is not a great idea, but she doesn't get it every day, it is dilute and it seems to be working. Bunny hasn't had a problem for about a year.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 09:51:24 AM »

Has anyone used this product or any product from this company?

           http://www.nutri-vet.com/uri-ease-paw-gel

Mandy had been eating Hill's prescription c/d since March after having surgery for struvite bladder stones and a severe UTI.  A few weeks ago, she started refusing to eat it.  I got a prescription from my vet for Royal Canin Urinary S/O to try, but after a few days, she didn't want that either!  Undecided  I had to keep her eating because she was about to have her I131 treatment and I wanted to be sure she would eat while at Radiocat.  So, after also trying ProPlan for Urinary Tract Health (which she ate, but not really enthusiastically), I went back to good old Fancy Feast, which she had eaten for years without a problem.  But, I was afraid that her urine pH might rise since she wasn't eating the prescription food.  So, I found the above product to give her as a urine acidifier.  Although it was only for about 2 weeks before her I131, when I checked her urine with the pH strips, it seemed to be staying in the acidic range.  I haven't been able to check it since she had the treatment, though, because of the radioiodine precautions with her urine and stool.  I am hoping everything is still okay.  My question is, has anyone used this, or, if using another urine acidifier, what are you using?  I haven't checked with my vet about any of this yet.  Plan to do so when we go for her 1 month T4 in about 2 weeks.  He is very pro prescription diet for the problem she had, and says his experience has been that cats that go back to a regular diet have a repeat of the crystals or stones.  He has said, however, that a regular food with a urine acidifier would be okay because no food is a good food if the cat won't eat it!   Wink 

     Any information about anyone's experiences with this would be most welcome!   Smiley 

We went through the same thing with Shadow having crystals.  I will ask you to look at the ingredients of the prescription food.  These foods are species inappropriate and will cause other problems in the long run.
Powdered Cellulose is basically "sawdust".  There is also alot of grain, and carbs in these foods and salt, the salt makes the cat drink more (this is not natural for a cat) These diets are based on 20 yr. old science.  A few years ago when they came out with this food, cats seemed to be getting the other type of crystals (oxalate), so then they came up with this new one that is supposed to be for both crystals.  How long did they do the testing on this product?? This food is not properly tested, we the consumers are the "guinea pigs". 
The fancy feast that has the glutens and the grains in them should be avoided. Though there are ones that do not contain this (I do have a list of foods that do not contain those ingredients)
Switching your cat to a high protein, grain free wet diet, or Raw (no dry whatsover) is the only thing that will battle crystals.  Also a stress free enviorment and keeping the litter box clean and their rear ends trimmed and clean.
This is what we have learned in our research, and Shadow has now been Crystal free for almost 3 yrs now.
I will add that adding supplements can be risky, as it can either cause the urine to be to acidic or to alkaline.
We do not believe in using cranberry supplements, as this is really just sugar, and sugar is just not needed by cats.
Just putting in our opinion. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 09:53:08 AM »

Thanks Mandycat,maybe I'll try the tube type. My 2 won't lick the Nutrical though. Acted like it was poison !


leslie,
     This is nothing like the Nutrical.  It is creamy and salmon flavored and comes out of the tube in a very thin ribbon.  The dose is 1/2" to 1" ribbon per day.  It is called Multi-Vite Paw Gel because you can put it on their paw and let them lick it off.  But, Mandy does just fine licking it from my finger.  
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 10:10:08 AM »

I had problems with feline S/O, too, and have posted about it many times.   Undecided  One male cat almost completely blocked with struvite had been on kibble.  Prescribed S/O, which he loved.  Other cats would sneak some so like a fool I started giving it to all my cats plus their old kibble.  A different cat (female) developed oxalate.  so, we went from struvite to oxalate.

After that, I managed to keep only the 2 crystal cats on prescription food.  In March, 2007, I took them both off prescription food cold turkey and gradually switched to all wet non-r/x food.  Knock on wood.  No recurrences to date.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 10:17:10 AM »

Tbobina,
     Thanks for your input.  I agree with you that the ingredients in the prescription foods leave a lot to be desired.  I did discuss this with my vet and told him that I didn't really want to keep Mandy on this food forever.  He said we should do it for at least 6 months before trying something else.  That's about as long as she tolerated eating it!   Cheesy  We are using only the gluten free, grain free FF right now. But once she has recovered from the I131 treatment she just had, and I can see if there are any kidney problems that were unmasked, (her BUN and Creatinine were good both on and off the methimazole, so I am hopeful her kidneys are okay), I will research some other foods to offer.  I just can't risk the crystal and stone problem coming back, so I am being very cautious.  The surgery she had was very, very expensive, but she was worth every penny.  However, I need to avoid having to repeat that - for her sake and for mine!   Wink  I just don't want to make too many changes to her diet right now since I know that there are many changes taking place in her body as all systems adjust to the decreased thyroid levels.  I can't identify any ingredient in the FF that looks like a urine acidifier, so that it why I thought using the Uri-Ease would be a short term answer to my dilemma.    
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 10:55:24 AM »

On another note have you read the books Not fit for a dog, by Michael W. Fox, ELizabeth Hodgkins, and Marion Smart ?  Also "Your cat, simple new secrets to a longer, stronger life, by Elizabeth Hodgkins?
These are 2 great books that are very informative on this subject. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 04:55:55 PM »

Well, I got a timely and unusual opportunity to test Mandy's urine this evening!   Grin  She over-shot the side of the box (first time that has happened since the I131 - her regular boxes are enclosed,  but not this one), so she left a little puddle on the plastic the box is sitting on.  I tested it and her pH is 6.25, which is great!  I feel a little better, but will be continuing to test and keep on eye on it.   Wink
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 05:07:56 PM »

Hey, Mandy, great work in giving a urine sample for pH test!  I hope the good urine test results continue.  I too wonder if her hyperT had something to do with the urinary stones.  It seems very reasonable to me that it could have.
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