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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2008, 07:52:10 PM »

Exactly right, Lesleik... that's why I prowl the bloggs and forums for anecdotal reports on this or that pet product... the massive recalls last year taught me to do that... at least this way, one gets a "heads up" on possible problems with any product one proposes to use or give to a companion animal.  When there's a "heads up" - I try to dig up more information.  Sure, one shouldn't trust everything one reads off the interenet.  One has to look up the SOURCE of that information.  It gives an indication whether said information can be trusted or not... however, as we all have learnt from last year, the sources we were taught to trust either lagged in giving vital information (the FDA, UCDavies, the veterinary community) or outright lied to us (many petfood manufacturers and suppliers).  So who am I going to turn to?  I reasoned with myself... I will LISTEN to other pet parents who are going through the same thing I am going through.... and do my own research.

I am profoundly grateful to those pet parents who, in the midst of their loss and grief, still take time to warn the rest of us about a product that kills or sickens pets.

I am so glad that my cats' vet never adminsters metacam to cats (I called and asked him this afternoon - he knows about possible kidney/liver complications and so avoids metacam for cats).  Two years ago, when my cat had 4 extractions, he prescribed an opiate called Torbugesic for pain relief.
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2008, 08:20:30 PM »

The scary thing is we have no clue what they administer when our pets go in for surgery, just like with people.  I've looked at cost lists of surgeries (mine & my mother's) & it's downright amazing how many drugs, supplies & equipment they use without our knowledge.  I'm sure it's much more simple with pets, but they do get different substances at every step of the surgery. 

When my little dog went through a bout of pancreatitis in Nov., the vet said they would give him pain meds while he stayed in overnight on fluids.  I of course wanted to know what they were - lidocaine in his IV drip which was apparently a hot new use for it.  If the vet had not given me details about treatment, I would have never known that pain meds were going to be given.

I guess nowadays we just have to try to stay educated like kaffe says, and ask about every detail of any treatments our pets are getting.  Next time I sign a surgery form at the vets, I'll add a no metacam statement on there. 
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2008, 09:04:39 PM »

Thanks Nikki for clarifying that and Kaffe, OF, ranger, Leslie, Laurie, petslave...I just do not want anyone or any other kitty to go through what we did and mine did.  Sure if the vet came up to someone and said "Hey, this is a huge risk to use but do you want me to try Metacam " I can see someone weighing the INFORMED risk. I know I had a cancer drug used on me expermental (I don't and didn't have cancer) to try to treat something and I had pages to sign  and 2 weeks to read them..also my doc went over all the risks..I worked in the medical (human) field but like Petslave said...they )not all but many) do not tell us what they are going to use while our pet is in the hospital...Its like yes, like the petfood thing..who would have thought pre-recall to call  the petfood companies one uses to ask  if they add tylonal or CA or melamine....That is how I was blind ..I wont let it happen again...Having sued and won ..correction it was settled by Pfizer see the sr dog project a lawsuit against Pfizer (Rimadyl)  I do not approve and my current dogs file is marked NO NSAIDS ....If I want him to have one I will give him asprin

So in part my point is....see your vet BEFORE SURGERY get a LIST of all meds he/she may use and check them out then mark off what is NOT approved by you...See the drug company websites and what is not approved use....LIKE METACAM ..for cats under 10 pounds and at that an only ONE time injection

AND my second point is...if something goes wrong do not keep going to the same vet to see why..and what...go to another for a second opinion I should have ....I really should have  Cry  I thought to and waviered cause I didnt want to stress my cat more and its a long ride to the other vets and  I think I was just worn out too. I loved my cat and spent 16 years being his mom...I should have thought and fought more ..I do like my vet as a person ..I know him well..I do not believe he meant any harm ..he was  negligent...The last  maybe 3 weeks he wanted to do exploratory surgery but I didn't want him cutting my old sick kitty up just to let him go on the table...That cat had had enough .. I am so sorry wasnt smarter than I was and didnt go for an ultrasound ..my vet doesnt do them and maybe that would have shed some light on what was going on ...but maybe not

ANYHOW....My experience sez follow what the drug company sez and do not allow more than 1 injection...IF YOU allow this drug at all..Personally I would not allow it at all
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2008, 10:09:59 PM »

 Thanks Nikki ...I have nothing against the vets you work for if they tell people the med is off label and has a risk to it and get the written consent you mentioned...hey then its up to the pet mom and dad and they can deal with the consequences if any are to be had.

We do not agree on blind trust for the vet in an ER situation. I have been in ER with pets and was in the room with the ER vet..they ran everything by me..fast but by me...and of course knowing as many meds ahead as we can will be helpful in situations that require emergency care

Jumping back..I wish my vet had THOUGHT about the fact I was and running subq fluids on my cat daily as well as syringe feeding him so giving an injection or another pill or liquid would not have been an issue for me...I really did think he was getting codine shots..My vet, the vet in question I have known him and used him for 8 years if you had asked me 6 years ago if he would mess up like this I would have said no..one can never know for sure no matter how well they choose a vet but yes it is wise to do the best you can picking a vet..and as I now know, even that can fail...then you ought to be as informed as you can  and then some I guess

This cats death will haunt me more than all the other pets I have lost over the years...It really was a nightmare of cosmic levels
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« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2008, 10:16:04 AM »

Hi just noticed this site...
I am the creator of www.metacamkills.com and glad to see it's getting some press..

FYI ..the picture of PB with the Sub-Q fluids (brown & white cat) is staged for the camera..

He got plenty of SUBQs but would'nt just sit there with a needle in him..
His ARF has completely resolved with aggressive treatment.
He continues to enjoy life..

The website will be his legacy.. Spread the word...
Dave & PB
www.metacamkills.com
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« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2008, 10:27:06 AM »

Great site!  thank you for doing this for all our cats, and for telling us about it!
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« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2008, 10:35:22 AM »

Thank you, Dave.  I chose to no longer allow the use of this medication for my cats after researching and reading the package insert information on the internet.  The possible adverse effects had not been explained to me beforehand by our vets nor was the limited FDA approval explained to me beforehand.  I'm uncomfortable with off-label use of veterinary products. 

I'm glad to hear that PB is doing well.
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« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2008, 01:07:00 PM »

Thank you Dave for your site which educates pet parents about the dangers of metacam.  I do hope that PB will continue in health and happiness.
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« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2008, 05:03:06 PM »

Thank you for the information. Lobo had been on it for a few months but we have him off his meds for about a month now. I will not put him back on it. Something about him didn't seem right - he was throwing up and not wanting to eat....I got him off all meds at the time....he hasn't been on it since and he still gets up and down fine and walks and his happy. I agree with the other posts -get the right nutrition and you should not need these things forever. I plan to get his blood work done again next month - I'm sure now that he has been off of the meds for awhile any high levels in his blood she be back to normal now - I'm glad this information was provided. Thank you.
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