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catbird
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« on: November 16, 2008, 06:29:28 PM »

The score so far is me 5, Isis 3.

That's 5 pills I've gotten into her, 3 holes she's punctured in me with her claws.  BAD holes.  I don't count little scratches, I'm used to those.

Isis was put on Clavamox for 10 days to treat a wound from another cat; the vet gave her the first pill on Thursday evening, so that I did not have to start until Friday.  She's supposed to get it twice a day; I'm lucky if I can get it in once a day without needing a transfusion.  I've had success in the past with pill guns, but they apparently don't work with Isis.

It takes two people, one to hold and keep those wicked front paws down, and one to get her mouth open and pop in the pill, then keep it shut until she swallows.

She has never had to take any kind of meds before, and she's turning out to be by far the worst cat I've ever tried to medicate.  Meek, sweet little Isis. Undecided

I'm looking at that whole package of pills and thinking it's going to be a long time until the 10 days are up...15 more pills to go.


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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2008, 06:39:50 PM »

Doesn't Clavamox also come in liquid form? Would squirting it in be easier with her? I used to be able to get liquid meds in behind the back teeth which was easier than prying the mouth open and getting the pill in, and then getting them to swallow  Roll Eyes 
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catbird
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2008, 06:44:09 PM »

I know I can get a liquid, but I'm not sure it would work any better.  She's a spitter, too.  Tongue  But I am going to call the vet tomorrow and ask if I can try the liquid.  I'll see which works better.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2008, 06:47:08 PM »

I simpathize. All three of mine are bad when it comes to pills, definitely takes two people and we had to medicate all three for ten days because of giardia after Sophie came.

How about trimming her claws on a different time of a day, if we need to give medication I usually ask the vet to do it for us since he trims them more than we do (I'm afraid to cut anything more than just the tip), so at least we don't have to worry about scratches, "just" getting the pill into the cat.

Also, we keep treats on hand, best thing to make sure it is swallowed is to give a treat right after the pill. Sophie is especially skillful in holding the pill in her mouth and spitting it out later.

Btw, it gets easier with more practice, first couple of days of giving pills are usually the worst, at least in my experience.

I second suggestion for trying liquid form, for some cats it is indeed easier.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2008, 06:59:50 PM »

Have you tried wrapping her in a blanket leaving just her head out? That might work a little easier, but it is not fool proof.
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catbird
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008, 07:00:47 PM »

Have you tried wrapping her in a blanket leaving just her head out? That might work a little easier, but it is not fool proof.

Yes.  She freaks completely, and makes it worse.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2008, 07:43:02 PM »

Suggestion on pilling, developed over the last two years. Insert cat sitting between thighs. Lock
thighs. Pry mouth open with head slightly up. Use pill gun before tongue gets going. Then lots of
under chin rubbing and head butts and kisses and praise. Helps to avoid scratches. Be sure you're
weaing jeans, and you can do this Wink
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mainecoonpeg
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2008, 08:36:40 PM »

Clavamox in pil form is virtually tasteless, but the pills are very dry.

Clavamox in liquid form is banana flavored.............fine if you're medicating a monkey, but I know of no cats who like bananas Roll Eyes

Put the pill in the pill gun
Add a little butter to the tip........over the pill and this helps it slide down easier for Isis.
Then follow with a treat or some food to make sure it goes all the way down.
You don't want it stuck in the throat when it startes to disolve.

With Gizmo I used to talk like a total goof and refer to them as his "pilly willies"............bless his heart, he thought it was just his special treat from his dopey human Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2008, 12:20:45 AM »

Peg 'pilly willies' so cute! Maybe the holding of Isis beteen your thighs and saying "now its time for you pilly willies" would work.....
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catbird
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2008, 06:39:52 AM »

We are talking Torti Goddess here. Tongue  She will not succumb to the blandishments of mere mortals.  Praise and coddling mean nothing to her.  She feels she is a Superior Being, whose every desire must be obeyed.  In this case, her desire is that she not be forced to take the pills.  If mere human slaves interfere with her, they shall be punished.


Did I mention that it took a vet and a tech, experts in pilling cats, 10 min. to get the first pill into her?

Buttering the pill is the way I've always done it with the pill guns.  With Isis, it just made it nice and slippery for her to spit out easier. Roll Eyes

I kind of like the wedge-between-the thighs suggestion, though.  Although I think it would take more than jeans for me and her.  Anyone have a spare pair of leather motorcycle chaps? Cheesy  Even if I still got clawed, it would perhaps at least be in a different place.  (If my typing looks a little odd the next few days, it's because so many of the pads of my fingers have been punctured.)

I'm going to get the liquid from the vet today and experiment to see if it works any better.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2008, 07:06:34 AM »

Yikes!    10 minutes.  Shocked  Shocked  She's a wildcat.

My leather ones are thin, but I've got a pair of rawhide m/c chaps that are really heavy/thick, possibly claw proof.   Lips sealed
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2008, 07:46:29 AM »

Apologies catbird..............smacking hand against forehead

Isis.....Torti Goddess................

My most humble and sincerest apologies Great Goddess of Torties........... Grin





I'm guessing that by the time this is over catbird, you will be quite adept at "alligator" wrestling    Wink
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2008, 08:19:48 AM »

No apologies needed, MCP.  You have wrestled those 20-some pound alligators, after all, of which I stand in awe.  Her Torti Magnificence is just a bit unusual, it seems.  Smaller in size at 10 lbs., but quite possibly more arrogant and vicious when crossed.

( I am smacking myself upside the head for not having done her claw trim before starting the meds.  Now she's so skittish about being handled that I have a feeling it will be a long, long time before we can do a claw trim.  I can generally do only one claw at a time with her, anyway.)

Has anyone ever tried crushing Clavamox and mixing it into something?  Probably a bad idea and would just put create an aversion to whatever it was mixed in, but I'm getting desperate.  Wondering if she really needs it for 10 full days.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2008, 09:24:40 AM »

Catbird,  with dealing with the Queen of Stubborniss, Ms. Sophers, we found that liquid did work better but we also had pretty good success with the Pill Pockets.  The ingredients in those arent the best but at some point we had to resort to whatever we could to get her pills down her.   Im sure Sophers is sending high fives to Isis, good job on being so difficult!   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2008, 09:42:15 AM »

You might ask the vet if the antibiotic injection, Convenia, would work for this situation.  It's given once and lasts 7-14 days.  It cost us around $40 a couple of months ago.  It's perfect for pill-shy kitties!
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