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« on: December 01, 2008, 01:32:30 PM »

Just thought I'd start a thread about this since many are trying to avoid NSAID's.

Poco has back trouble diagnosed as IVD, (disc-related), and is helped by acupuncture and also this product.

http://www.vetriscience.com/vetdisc.php

I have had him on it a long time and have seen his problems get worse if I stopped it enough times to convince me it helps.  It is no miracle cure or acute care medicine, of course.
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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 01:47:39 PM »

Thanks for this link, Poco, I will have to get some for my girl, Angel.  This year her arthritis is really acting up and I have worries about her previously prescribed pain meds Wink  My vet just prescribed her Previcox (I've never used this drug before and will be researching it), today.  Also, he has me starting her on 3VCaps which is a concentrated source of Omega-3 Fatty Acids with Vitamin E and a product called ProMotion by Virbac. 

I hope this helps her, she's been hobbling around here all weekend and my vet's office was closed extra days because of the holiday and I had to wait until today to get her some new meds.  Her usual baby aspirin wasn't working and I don't like to give her it too often for fear of problems it can cause.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 02:42:06 PM »

I hope Angel is feeling better soon, Tesla.  Does she have arthritis diagnosed or a disc problem?  If it is arthritis, there are other gentle remedies that might include some of what is in Vetri-Disc, plus some other things, like glucosamine.  I haven't tried that on Poco since he has so many allergies that I try to keep it simple.  I guess if you have shellfish allergies, glucosamine could be a problem.

The Omega-3 product sounds like a good idea.  I forgot to mention that Poco takes that, (and some vitamin E is in something else), for his allergies, but I discovered that it helps his back a lot, too, when I forgot to give it to him for a few days and the back problem mysteriously flared up.  It got better right away once I started the fish oil again.  He takes a large capsule every day.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 04:24:19 PM »

Poco, Angel has arthritis in her front elbow and  rear hip (same side of her body-poor thing).  She's been on glucosamine for quite some time, the ProMotion is supposed to have a combination of antioxidants and glucosamine which is "supposed" to be better than her previous supplement.  She's been resting on her heated bed all weekend and I've been keeping her as quiet as possible.  Overall, she's an active dog, likes to run around guarding the birdfeeders from the mean ole squirrels and loves going for walks.  Right now, I've had to stop her walks and watch her when she goes outside to do her business so she's not running around like a fool.

Hopefully, I can get the right combination to get her pain back under control.  We had it well managed until about a month ago, I really hate seeing her struggling getting up and hobbling around. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2008, 06:51:43 AM »

Cedar's kidneys crashed on Rimadyl and Deramax this summer.  We're doing Tramadol 3x/day, but worried about long term use and side effects.  Colder weather seems to be diminishing the therapeutic effects of the Tramadol, also.  We supplement with Dasequin, but she refuses the flavorded chew tab (unless I hide it in steak) and seems to be telling me, "This is not helping me, please don't make me take it."  When I double the dose (loading dose) she acts sicker...lays around more, doesn't bring her ball to play, etc...  I've also noticed that if we miss a couple of days of our short walk and trot, she seems to go down again.  Her system is so sensitive, I have to slowly add and really monitor every (experimental) treatment.  When she crashed this summer, I took her off everything, but I don't think that Glyco-Flex was making a big difference.  I'll order Vetri-Disc right away.  This is one I haven't heard of; thanks for the info! 
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2008, 10:28:11 PM »

Welcome to Itchmo, lala!  Sorry Cedar is having a rough time with getting relief safely.  Poco just had a bad time with meds, so I know what you mean about just wanting a break from them.

Did the vet say if Cedar had arthritis or IVD?  It wouldn't hurt to try Vetri-Disc for arthritis, but it doesn't seem to work as well as other things for that.  But if it is IVD like Poco and my previous dog had, that seems the best.  We also benefited from acupunture.  And the fish oil seems to help both conditions.  People here have said that if you use fish oil, some additional vitamin E is needed in the diet.  Some formulas include that already for you.

Reply #306 by kaffe talks about that/
http://itchmoforums.com/help-with-my-sick-pet/need-some-good-thoughts-for-kd-t1870.0.html;msg67802#msg67802

I think some people here use Monica Segal's product and she has some information here.

http://www.monicasegal.com/health/jointsupport.php

Here is where I get Poco's Vetri-Disc.  They have a good price.

http://www.healthypets.com/vetridisc.html

Then they have other joint relief aids.

http://www.healthypets.com/nutsupforjoi.html

I'll be hoping to hear that you find something that helps Cedar.  (Cedar is a dog, right?)

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 12:25:50 AM »

Welcome to Itchmo lala. Hope Cedar gets relief from these products too.
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 01:23:39 PM »

Welcome to Itchmo, Lala.  Hope the meds work out for Cedar, let us know.  I know I'm having to try new meds and would appreciate what results others are having.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 10:06:54 AM »

Thanks for the welcome!  I've been lurking and learning from the forum for quite some time.  Hopefull we can contribute, now, with our arthritis/disc experiences.  Cedar (14 yr. old 60# Ridgeback/Pittbull human/puppy) ran warped as a puppy (as if she had been stepped on by a littermate or her mom).  A very active adulthood revealed no weakness, but may have contributed to her Senior aches.  This summer I put her on Deramax then Rimadyl when she seemed so weak in her back end.  She couldn't jump in the back of the SUV any more, began plopping down (still gets up well), joints popping, walking very stiffly, laying around in pain.  She responded well to the drugs...until the kidney crash.  The vet guaranteed arthritis, disc damage based on her symptoms, recommended skipping the X-ray to save $ and advised against surgery because of her age. (I also remember him manipulating her leg around and the nerves making it tremble - scatia?)  The tramadol has eased the pain, but I want to try to homeopathically treat the root of the problem, now that her kidneys have recovered.  Our vetri-disc arrived yesterday and the capsule's too big to hide in food.  I'll try to disguise it sprinkled in food today.  The supplement's not with me at this moment to refer to, but did I notice it contained "rice powder?"  We're mostly grain-free and I'm so distrustful...I wonder where the rice comes from?  We do fish oil, but I heard somewhere to use any fish oil, except cod liver.  (My notes are not with me either, but I may have gotten the info from Berte's Naturals???)  Maybe with lower gas prices we could travel to out-of town acupuncture; the local one is far to mean to consider herself wholistic.  I'll check my notes and update.  Again,
Thanks everyone for all the info.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 12:32:08 AM »

Welcome, Lala. I hope you can find a way to help Cedar.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 01:41:03 AM »

Sounds like you'll fit right in here, lala.  We have quite a few senior pets with special needs.

I checked my Vetri-disc bottle and saw the rice powder.  I've never had a problem and they are NASC certified, but it wouldn't hurt to contact them and see what QC they do on the flour as far as purity.  I was grain-free for awhile, too, but Poco got too thin so he is eating a little rice again.  He's almost 16, so whatever makes him happy at this point.

Tonight I had to mix the Vetri-disc in his food since it was homemade and wouldn't grip the pill.  Usually I can hide that huge pill in food and little 10 lb Poco gobbles it down, but he is a voracious guy!  He could have gotten a role in this movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killer_Shrews  Cheesy

Let us know what you think about the fish oil for Cedar when you look into it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 02:36:57 AM »

For senior dogs with aches, don't for get that a slight chill may make it worse, even around the home. When Dot (non senior) was having problems from a neck injury, I made jackets/tops for her to wear around the apt out of sweatshirt material. I also used it on days when it wasn't really cold enough for a jacket just to make sure she didn't get a chill at the beginning of the walk.  I also would put it on her after an outdoor play session to make sure she didn't chill on cooling down. (think athlete) They were 2 different weights and the light one was great around the apt. On super cold days, she wore it 24/7 and I just put her reg jacket over when we went out. I also used a scarf around her neck if I felt it was needed. If you don't feel like sewing, check the children's or infant departments for long sleeve T's and light weight sweatshirts. You can just slit the bottom so you can tie the ends around the waist.

Another helpful thing was  rice (or other grains) in cotton warm packs. I just sewed up a bunch of pillow type shells and filled with rice (and dried lavender and chamomile). I'd heat them in the microwave and place them under her bed/couch blanket. (cats like them also  Grin)

For pain, MSM, Vit C and a third supplement that's escaping my mind helped the most. She was (is) also getting salmon or flax seed oils.

And also think about doing gentle massages and ask your vet if you should be doing any gentle PT (since they aren't getting a lot of activity) so they aren't stiffening up, etc.

Vetriscience is a brand my vet (traditional and holistic) carries. Haven't used their pain ones, but had excellent results with the UT and Bladder ones. This of course was pre-recall, but it is a brand I would be willing to check out if I needed it again. And with 2 16yo kitties, something tells me it's in my future, lol!~
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 11:23:30 AM »

VetriScience will respond within one week as to country of origin of ALL ingredients for VetriDisc.  I doubt the rice is organic, so it's possibly (probably) GMO.  Cedar loves the heating pad, we do massage, I can't wait to make her an "outfit" and my rice pack smells funny so I'll try adding lavender.  (Again, probably GMO rice!)  Cedar ate capsule mixed with (new, Newman's Own Liver) canned at my local grocery - no problem.  LOL little Poco as a gobbling shrew.  Guess Poco could have gotten a role in the movie; the link said they actually cast dogs for the shrew roles.  Ha!
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 11:43:34 AM »

Welcome, lala!  I'm glad you brought up this topic.  We'll be treating Jake with something as more of a maintenence med than a cure after his course of Rimadyl is finished.  We already do fish oil and sometimes if out of his canine fish oil, we have used just what we take.  The vet seemed pretty specific about using canine only, but then the topic changed and I didn't ask why.  Anyone know why fish oil gelcaps for humans would not be good for a dog?  We also do vit E.  Jake's supplements usually come from Monical Segal, but if mail is slow we tend to run out.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 03:16:43 PM »

I want to throw something out here that I learned from a vet when I first got Hannah.  When I got her, her previous family gave me a bottle of Rimadyl that they had gotten for her after her spay surgery.

When I brought her in for a complete checkup, vet told me that I should be very careful with Rimadyl.......she said there have been cases of Labs who have had organs shut down & they believe that it was due to Rimadyl.

I have never heard anyone else mention this so I asked another vet.  She said that they have found in a few cases that Labs have had problems on Rimadyl.

Lala, I notice that your dog is not part Lab Huh but I wanted to mention this as a point of interest.

Perhaps it's not just Labs......who knows.

ETA:  Carolo......I use the very same fish oil gelcaps for Hannah that I take.  They also have Vit E in them.  Never had a problem giving her the same caps.

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