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Author Topic: Forti Flora for IBD or no?  (Read 12109 times)
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marespooscats
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« on: November 07, 2011, 01:52:01 PM »

My Cat has IBD and Typhlitis.  He vomits once or twice a week - usually undigested food and I think that is because he eats too fast, BUT he occaisionally gets diarrhea and Vet told me to give him Forti Flora. 

NOW I read on this forum it is not good for him.  What else can I use to stop the diarrhea - yogurt or acidophilus do not work.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 04:50:08 PM »

Forti Flora is a probiotic, the same as acidophilus is. The only difference is there are several types mixed in the FF. Have you tried canned pure pumpkin [must say pure, not pie mix] fiber or slippery elm ?
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2011, 11:00:05 AM »

Thanks for the reply.  Yes I have tried both but only forti flora works.  Maybe I will just give it to him when he gets diarrhea and stop when his poops are firm?
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2011, 11:31:55 AM »

Welcome, marespooscats!

I have used Fortiflora without problems.  I think some folks here may object to the ingredients (the animal digest), but I don't know that it's necessarily "bad".  In my job, I have access to a lot of veterinary literature, and recently read a study done on different probiotics, and whether they had viable levels, and the types that were actually on the labels.  Fortiflora came out on top.  Now I'm sure Purina may have had something to do with the funding, but with supplements - they are unregulated - and unless someone tests, there is no way to know if they contain what's on the label (this is true for probiotic claims in food, too).

So, if you have concerns, I'd discuss them with your vet.  And if it is working, I'd especially talk to your vet, before stopping it. 

I've also used Culturelle - a human probiotic supplement, on my renal kitties, in the past.  I also use pumpkin - but don't have ibd problems, here.

Just my opinion.

There is also a Yahoo IBD group - their experiences may be helpful for you.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/felineibd1/

Good luck with your kitty.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2011, 01:36:43 PM »

Welcome to Itchmo!  I was wondering if its possible that something in the food your kity is eating is causing the symptoms you are seeing.  Our prior kitty ended up with what they called IBD but after a long period of food elimination trials, we figured out she was allergic to fish.  Once we took away any food with fish in it, she got better almost right away.  Alot of times what they call IBD is food intolerance to something.  
How old is your kitty?  Anyway, I hope you can fine something to help.  If it were me and you've ruled out intolerance to food or food ingredients, I'd keep using the the Forti Fora if the vet thinks its OK.  

ETA:  I found this on the internet, supposedly its from a vet that said:   Avoid access to grass since that aggravates, trial hypoallergenic diet and run faecals with bacteriology including hunts fr giardia and
tritrichomoniasis 
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/aske-vet/message/12447

I dont know what tests have been run, etc on your kitty but thought this might be of some help?
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 09:39:59 AM »

Thanks for the help.  They did exploratory surgery and some kind of special test and my cat has the beginnings of IBD.  Usually he is fine but there are occasions when he vomits (sometimes just from eating too fast but other times it is huge and then he stops eating whatever food he has been eating and I have to find a new kind) and has diarrhea.


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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 11:13:40 AM »

marespoocats,  I understand that they have diagnosed it as IBD but IBD can be caused by food allergies, intolerances, etc, although not all the time.  Our cat also had exploratory surgery and they said IBD, but it turned out it was caused by allergy or intolerance to fish.  Although Im not saying this is what the situation is with your cat but a food trial might still be worth a try.  Also if you are having to switch foods too often, sometimes that can be problematic for normal cats, let alone cats with IBD.  Im sure you know to switch the food real slowly over time.  Anyhow, no matter what, I hope you can get your kitty stabilized from the vomiting and diarrhea, Im sure its very frustrating and worrisome for you.    

Also one thing we tried that helped with our kitty was using canned organic sweet potato.  The kind that does not have syrup in it, just water in the can.  We would mix just a tiny bit of that in with her wet food.  
Let us know how your kitty continues to do.  By the way, is that your kitty in the pic above?  Its a darling picture!
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 11:51:45 AM »

yes he is my boy!  His name is Benjamin or Lord Ben. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 05:14:01 PM »

Ben is gorgeous ! I second the food intolerance idea, and a food log with in & out results is helpful in finding the suspect ingredients. If the forti flora works, I would continue it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2011, 10:38:07 PM »

I'm a little late to this thread, but I wanted to let you know about another site, ibdkitties.net you may find helpful, Marespooscats. It's packed with resources and information and includes case studies, food recommendations, a forum and more.

Hope you can find something to help your little friend feel his best!

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2011, 10:46:04 AM »

Thanks so much for your help.  Ben is now on Rabbit and peas and "seems!!!!!" to be doing better.   He acts fine so I am just watching him closely!
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 03:35:15 PM »

Forti flora works, it is approved.

It works better than acidollophis for my dogs and cats.  Especially my dog with colitis.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2011, 04:52:33 PM »

Do you use it all the time or just when they get diarrhea?
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2011, 02:56:58 PM »

Hi, with several of my dogs, when, they eat something ususally outside that I know will cause a problem.

Now, I am adding it to my dachsie (non ambulatory for 10 years, ) colitis, overgrowth of bacteria, we  express her bladder, I am now adding daily to her
food, which is Hill's dry I/D, a tad canned En and home cooked chicken, same for the  18 year old who has had several pancreatitis episodes.

I began a d aily regimen with the later two, as they both had flare ups several weeks ago. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 10:34:54 PM »

I didn't read all the previous post so hope I don't repeat here.

I have an IBD/colitis kitty and my puppy has even had some issues with this recently.

I had bought some Forti Flora for a kitten that had some issues. the vet thought it would help her but hers was coccidia that then turned into a bacterial infection , I gave it to her and tried it for my IBD/colitis guy too and it actually made him have issues and didn't help my kitten so I chunked it.
I gave the meds plus the fortiflora to my kitten.

I have found that  Bacillus Laterosporus (BOD) works well. I used this for years for my candidiasis so I gave it to my guys too. Now I have started using Culturelle  . It has worked very well for me and I also give it to my guys.
Another one that has helped my kitty is the Kyo dophilus or the vitamin shoppe brand thats the same.
He does well with those also.

My puppy I have been giving him the Culturelle as the kyo dophilus seemed to give him gas and didn't seem to help him alot but it does my kitty so I guess all are different.

I also use slippery elm sryup when theres a flare up, give a probiotic,and some L glutamine too.
Plus adding a little pumpkin never hurts either.

I will slowly remover the slippery elm and lgultamine and pumpkin but keep giving the probiotic.

I didn't read what you feed but I do know from experience that raw food has helped both my guys with these issues.
My kittie is now 13 years old and has been on raw food since he was 4 years old due to his issues and my puppy just recently started with issues from a dry food so I put him on total raw and he is doing great now. I am slowly removing the supplements and all is going well for him so far.

Hope maybe this helps a little
Good night
mel

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