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Mandycat
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« on: February 24, 2011, 02:48:23 PM »

Mandy was diagnosed a couple days ago with a UTI.  It was an incidental finding because I was having her urine tested to be sure she didn't have any crystals since it has been 2 years since her surgery. She wasn't really showing any signs of a UTI.  However, there were some WBCs and a C&S apparently showed an infection.  The good news, though, is that she had NO crystals!!  She was given Baytril, which she has never had.  The C&S showed Baytril and Clavamox as the best antibiotics, but she had a really hard time with the Clavamox when she had her surgery, so I choose the Baytril.  After just 2 days on it, her appetite seems to be decreased, but there is no vomiting or diarrhea.  She seems a little hyper and more vocal than ususal.  If anyone cares to share their experiences with Baytril, good or bad, I would appreciate it.     
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 03:19:00 PM »

Those darn UTI's.  I sure hope she gets cleared up with the Baytril.  I did a search on my kitty posts.  The only time I mention Baytril is with Fizzy and her anal gland abscess.  She tolerated it very well as far as I can remember.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 03:19:25 PM »

This is a pretty strong antibiotic according to our vet. Dosing is always done carefully  by weight, so to avoid serious side effects. This is one antibiotic course that will definitely need to be followed by probiotics, as it will big time wipe out both the good and bad bacteria.

 I have had two cats use it and it works, the most distinct thing was loose stools -one cat years ago had that pretty bad. (lots of probiotics helped). One cat had a variable appetite anyhow, not sure how much due to the med.

What I have noticed with any antibiotic, is often cats will seem  a bit letthargic for a few days until their systems get used to it. I feel that way  whenever I start antibiotics too. Never heard of being more hyper....?
You probably may want to discuss Mandy's odd symptoms with the vet,  ?

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 03:59:57 PM »

Thunder had Baytril several times with no problems. She didn't get diarrhea that I remember. The bacteria did become resistant after just a few courses so if I ever had to use it again, it would be sparingly. I hope Mandy is feeling better soon and YAY! for no crystals! Maybe she is acting hyper because she is feeling a little better?
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 04:44:18 PM »

Mandycat, our KiKi was allergic to or couldnt tolerate several different meds but one she could was Baytril.  I remember our vet saying its the "big gun" so I think from that she meant its a pretty powerful anti-biotic.  KiKi never got diarrhea or upset tummy from it that we could tell.  I do remember she didnt eat as much while she was on it and was  maybe a bit lethargic like Meowli was saying but she had no other side effects from it.  I hope Mandy is feeling better very soon.  How long is she on the Baytril?
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 05:01:22 PM »

Sorry no experience with Baytril, but great news about no crystals !  Sad about the UTI though. Hopefully the side effects of being hyper & no appetite will wear off quickly as she starts to feel better.
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 05:01:53 PM »

Thanks, all.  Meowli, I am already giving her a probiotic with the hope that it will prevent really bad GI side effects.  The terrible GI effects was why I didn't want the Clavamox.  Undecided  I am getting her to eat a little bit at a time, but no way is she going to take in her usual amount.  Also, you are very right about the careful dosing.  I calculated her dose myself and am actually reducing the amount I am giving her because I think the result was rounded up instead of down and it makes a difference if you want to stay at the recommended dosing of no more than 5 mg/kg of body weight.  My vet is off today so I just took it upon myself, but I think I am doing the right thing.  I've done some reading today and it seems that the worse side effects occur when that recommendation is exceeded.  I'm not taking any chances.  However, I'm puzzled anyway because she hasn't acted like a cat with a UTI.  Maybe we just caught it really early by accident.  I just hate the medication routine - it stresses both of us!  As you well know, Meowli, since you are going through the same thing right now!   Wink  
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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 05:04:56 PM »

Sandi,
She is supposed to take it for 14 days.  Some things I have read say 7-10 days, other articles just say it depends on the infection.  I guess 14 days is par for the course of most antibiotics. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 05:30:23 PM »

All my cats have been on Baytril with no problems at all -- including 21 year old Katey. No digestive issues, no bowel issues. It's like she wasn't even taking it. All of them were for UTIs that cleared up entirely. Mom's cat had it for her teeth along with a dental -- no problems. Katey gets less than 5 mg/kg and it works fine. Because the pills come in 15 and 50 mg, my vet always checks their weight and rounds down. I usually have to split pills. It's my first choice of antibiotic for pretty much anything that it'll kill.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 08:07:08 PM »

MC really good this was caught b-4 it built up in Mandy's system. Yay for no crystals!
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 09:40:00 PM »

bug,
When I was looking for information about the Baytril, I noticed that the pills come in different sizes in Canada than in the U.S.  The 2 common sizes here are 22.7 mg and 68 mg.  They are strange sizes, but do work out to 5 mg/kg for weights of 5, 10, 15 lb. cats for the 22.7 mg size (when split) when you convert the lbs. to kgs.  The problem is the in-between weights and whether the vet rounds up or down.  Also, since we don't use the metric system routinely here, there is a tendency for people to just decide to use 2.5 mg/lb to do the calculation.  It's the lazy way to do it since, of course, a kilogram is actually 2.2 lbs not 2 lb, and therefore, you have to use 2.27 mg/lb to get the correct result.  It may not be so important to be so exact with some other drugs, but I think this one carries a greater risk of serious side effects and, therefore, more care needs to be taken.  I guess I am also a little paranoid being an RN!  Grin  I know how incorrect dosage calculations can be deadly in some cases.  I have to say that I was a little disappointed to see that my vet prescribed a dose that was too high, although maybe a tech did the calculation.  But, still, he should be checked it himself for accuracy.   Undecided   Although the most serious side effect of blindness has apparently been found as a result of very high doses, it is still a scary prospect, so one can only hope that by sticking to the correct calculation that will not happen.  However, while researching, I did find an instance that happened just this month (Feb. 11, 2011) where someone posted on a forum that her cat went blind after just a couple days on Baytril and was taking a "low" dose.  Didn't say what the dose was, though.  That person's situation was also found on a "Petition" website where she is gathering names for a petition to the FDA to ban Baytril because of the blindness side effect.  Most other complaints I found were from much earlier years, so this was a little concerning.  I understand there was a time when the label listed the dosage as 5-20 mg/kg and that was when most of the "blindness" problems occurred.  Studies then resulted in the dosage for cats being made to be no more than 5 mg/kg.  It remains higher for dogs, but dogs have not had the side effect of blindness.  Okay, that is probably way too much information, but maybe it will be informative to others here.  Thank you for your input, bug, and I am glad that this med works well for your kitties.  I have to be observant over the next few days, but I think I may see a pattern with Mandy that the appetite decrease, restlessness, and increased vocalization occur mostly when the drug is probably peaking in her system. By evening, she eats more if I present it to her and she is quieter and sleeps more.  Still no diarrhea, so I am grateful for that if it continues.  2 days down and 12 to go!   Tongue   
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 09:45:28 PM »

One more question for those who have used Baytril.  Do you remember being told anything about not giving it with food, or within any time frame before or after feeding?  I have found conflicting information about this.  I was told nothing about this.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 10:17:10 PM »

No, I can't remember about giving it with/without food.  But I do remember that my newer vet office said that antibiotics should be given with food since they can upset an empty stomach.  Don't have any specific info, though, sorry Undecided 

You could always call a 24 hour ER and ask.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 10:27:13 PM »

Thanks, Fizzy.  Given Mandy's decreased appetite, I think I'm not going to worry about whether she has eaten when I give it.  I'll take my chances since it makes sense that some food in the stomach may help her feel better after she takes the pill and maybe eat more.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2011, 10:48:35 PM »

Mandycat, I dont remember being told to give it with food either but its been quite awhile now since we used that drug with KiKi.  I appreciate all that info about the drug and what you found.  Im hoping that after another day or so that Mandy will have adjusted to it and maybe feel better.  I would hate to think she wouldnt eat much for the whole 14 days.  Let us know how she is doing, bless her heart.
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