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« Reply #120 on: May 23, 2008, 12:06:45 AM »


An American plane mechanic assisted by an Iranian boy working on a light bomber before delivery to Russia. Somewhere in Iran.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mossadegh
"Mohammad Mossadegh (16 June 1882 – 5 March 1967) was a major figure in modern Iranian history who served as the Prime Minister of Iran [1][2] from 1951 to 1953 when he was removed from power by a coup d'état. From an aristocratic background, Mosaddeq was a nationalist and passionately opposed foreign intervention in Iran. An author, administrator, lawyer, prominent parliamentarian, and statesman, he is most famous as the architect of the nationalization of the Iranian oil industry,[3] which had been under British control through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), today known as British Petroleum (BP).

Mosaddeq was removed from power on August 19, 1953, in a coup d'état, supported and funded by the British and U.S. governments and led by General Fazlollah Zahedi.[4] The American operation came to be known as Operation Ajax in America,[5] after its CIA cryptonym, and as the "28 Mordad 1332" coup in Iran, after its date on the Iranian calendar.[6] Mosaddeq was imprisoned for three years and subsequently put under house arrest until his death."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi
"In 2000, U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright stated:

"In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister, Mohammed Massadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs.""


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« Reply #121 on: May 23, 2008, 11:46:01 AM »

I guess the blow back goes way back.  Some of us forget (or are never taught that part of history), others do not.
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« Reply #122 on: May 23, 2008, 06:47:58 PM »

I don't follow the logic, but here is a top Newsweek story for the last few days:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/138141

For weeks, the Middle East has been buzzing with talk that Turkey has been mediating secret peace negotiations between Israel and Syria...Shortly after the announcement, Liel spoke with NEWSWEEK's Kevin Peraino. Excerpts:       
 
NEWSEEK: Is this the real thing?
Alon Liel: I think it's a breakthrough.

Didn't [U.S. Secretary of State] Condoleezza Rice say recently that she supports indirect talks between Syria and Israel?
The Americans have always said that they have nothing against [Israeli Prime Minister Ehud] Olmert talking to [Syrian President Bashar] Assad--but that they wouldn't participate. It was hypocritical because they knew that if they didn't enter the talks, nothing would change. I see, from today, the Americans as a player. I think this is probably related to a change in the American position.
 
What do you see as the most problematic potential sticking point in the upcoming negotiations?
I think the most complicated area will be the relationship between Syria and Iran. I see a big battle here. Syria will want to maintain contact with Iran. Once you have such a statement, imagine the feeling of Iran. It's not only Olmert taking a risk, it's also Assad taking a very big risk. Both leaders are doing something very courageous. Also, Syria will have to bring about a change of behavior regarding Hamas.
 
Is it realistic to expect Syria would completely sever ties with Iran, Hizbullah and Hamas as part of a deal?
I'm not sure Syria and Iran can be strategic allies [after a peace deal]. A comprehensive peace agreement will necessitate meaningful changes. I don't think Syria can have peace and normal relations with both Israel and Hizbullah, or Israel and Hamas. It's almost mutually exclusive.
 
Could you see a day when Hizbullah is carrying out military operations against Syria as a result?
I really don't know how Hizbullah will act. I don't think they'd want to destroy--in a stupid way, from their perspective--this ongoing contact they have [with Damascus]. I don't know about the Iranian reaction. Nobody should start speculating. 
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Maybe we all should start speculating.  Why has the US's position recently changed and what has it changed to?   Why can't Syria and Iran remain strategic allies after a peace deal?  Who says so and why?  Wouldn't a mutually inclusive peace deal be a better goal than a mutually exclusive one?  If not, why?
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« Reply #123 on: May 26, 2008, 09:27:26 PM »

Since we are celebrating Memorial Day today, I certainly hope these peace negotiations will be successful.

http://www.history.com/minisites/memorial/
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« Reply #124 on: May 27, 2008, 06:44:29 PM »

The international opinion/voice seems to be changing the last day or two:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/world/middleeast/27iran.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

PARIS — The International Atomic Energy Agency, in an unusually blunt and detailed report, said Monday that Iran’s suspected research into the development of nuclear weapons remained “a matter of serious concern” and that Iran continued to owe the agency “substantial explanations.”

“The Iranians are certainly being confronted with some pretty strong evidence of a nuclear weapons program, and they are being petulant and defensive,” said David Albright, a former weapons inspector who now runs the Institute for Science and International Security. “The report lays out what the agency knows, and it is very damning. I’ve never seen it laid out quite like this.”

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If I remember correctly, a month or so ago, everyone except Bush-Cheney was saying the Iranians were not developing weapons.  It's an about-face.  The Iranian threat is constantly repeating on the CNN, MSNBC ticker tape.
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« Reply #125 on: May 31, 2008, 10:19:12 AM »

From the May issue of The American Conservative

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_05_05/cover.html
"...Third, we must face the fact that a real Iraqi state is likely to be close to Iran. The solution is not to bomb Iran but to settle our differences—what diplomats call a rapprochement. Tehran has offered us a general settlement on quite generous terms. We should take them up on it. If the U.S. and Iran are no longer enemies, the fact that a new Iraqi state is allied with Iran is not a problem.

It goes without saying that none of this will happen in the remainder of George W. Bush’s term. More likely is an attack on Iran, intended to foreclose on these options...."
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« Reply #126 on: June 01, 2008, 12:04:43 PM »

DMS, in that article it sounds like European countries are still trying to negotiate with Iran but the US is refusing to hold any talks:

"Still, Javier Solana, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, announced in Brussels on Monday that he would go to Iran soon — possibly “within the month” — to present a new offer of political, technological, security and trade rewards for Iran if it halts its uranium enrichment program.

Mr. Solana will travel with senior foreign ministry officials from five of the six countries involved in the initiative — Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany — but not the United States, which has refused to hold talks with Iran. The incentives, agreed on by the six countries in London this month but still not made public, repackaged and clarified an incentives package presented to Iran in 2006."

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« Reply #127 on: June 10, 2008, 11:54:06 PM »

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/new-american-century.php

WHY IS IRAN STILL IN THE CROSS-HAIRS?
CLUES FROM THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY
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« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2008, 06:32:38 PM »

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/crude-soars-atop-147-fresh/story.aspx?guid=92ACE2C7-6980-4FBF-A915-1F8BC7482D11&dist=SecMostRead

Oil ends the week almost flat after surpassing $147

By Moming Zhou & Polya Lesova, MarketWatch
Last update: 3:25 p.m. EDT July 11, 2008
FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures ended a dramatic week of trading virtually unchanged on Friday, with prices slumping more than $9 in the first two sessions and then soaring to a new record above $147 a barrel on geopolitical concerns before closing the week about 0.1% lower.
Futures sank as low as $136 on Tuesday amid a rising dollar but leaped right back on speculation that Israel may be nearer to launching an attack on Iran and on worries that supplies in Nigeria and Brazil may be disrupted.
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Iran has said it test-fired a number of missiles in recent days, including a missile that's capable of reaching Israel. Such reports, though questioned by some U.S. military officials, have resonated in Israel.
The Jerusalem Post, citing remarks by Iraqi defense ministry sources, reported that Israeli warplanes have practiced in Iraqi air space, adding to speculation about a potential strike on Iranian targets.
"Everything that we were worried about going into the [July 4] holiday weekend has reemerged," said Phil Flynn, vice president at futures brokerage Alaron Trading in Chicago. "The rhetoric from Iran is heating up. They're shooting off the missiles, and [there is] a lot of provocative statements on both sides."....





I think a faction in this administration is fueling all this.
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« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2008, 07:09:37 PM »

Klondike, that's what I was going to say. since We know Bush wants war with them, something fishy is going on, i'll bet on that. Any excuse right now will do the job.
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« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2008, 08:25:00 PM »

There is one outstanding thing--the mote in my eye is very troubling today--that I think is particularly twisted about the media coverage and labelling of the Iranian missile launches:  The media and politicians--including the left--present the launches as "provocative."  Somehow, the fact that Iran is testing missiles and showing its military capability when for 3 years, and especially the last 6 months, all the talk (threat) is that either the US or Isreal will bomb Iran by the end of 2008 makes Iran the provocateur.  Now what would most defence experts expect Iran to do in such a situation, what would they do?  Defer to the threat?  Has the talk of bombing Iran been shopped around the G8, Middle East, or Beltway as "provocative" or as the methodical reaction to Iran's rhetoric, the administration's application of democratic ideology, a practical expansion of preventative foreign policy, our loyalty to Isreal, or a justified response to Iran's nuclear program?  The media and politicians of both parties provide the threat against Iran and then use the Iranian response as proof of the threat and a need to respond.  Does anyone who is actually following this escalation not think the Iranian missile demonstration is a response to the threats they are receiving?  And now this response is a vindication of the threat.  But, who is actually provoking whom?
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« Reply #131 on: July 12, 2008, 06:10:10 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080712/wl_nm/iran_nuclear_dc


Official says Iran would destroy Israel if attacked
 


TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran would destroy Israel and 32 U.S. military bases in the Middle East if the Islamic Republic was attacked over its disputed nuclear program, a senior Iranian official was quoted as saying on Saturday.

 
The Islamic Republic and Israel have been embroiled in an escalating war of words in recent weeks, increasing speculation of military confrontation and helping to send global oil prices to record highs.

Iranian missile tests this week further stoked tension and rattled financial markets.

"The U.S. knows full well that with the smallest move against Iran, Israel and 32 U.S. military bases in the region would not be out of the reach of our missiles and would be destroyed," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Mojtaba Zolnour as saying in a speech
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« Reply #132 on: July 12, 2008, 11:41:55 PM »

Is Iran just trolling to increase the price of oil?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/2298595/Iran-tried-to-deceive-world-by-%22testing%22-old-missiles,-US-experts-believe.html
Iran tried to deceive world by 'testing' old missiles, US experts believe
By Philip Sherwell in New York and Carolynne Wheeler in Jerusalem
Last Updated: 10:47PM BST 12/07/2008
Iran attempted to deceive the world with last week's high-profile weapons test by claiming that a 10-year-old missile was a new, longer-range version capable of striking Israel, US intelligence officials and independent analysts believe.....

....Tehran's show of strength followed a recent Israeli military exercise apparently designed to prepare for possible air strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. Iran claims the programme is for civilian energy purposes, but Israeli and Western intelligence believe it is seeking atomic arms.

As Mr Barak arrives in Washington tomorrow there is increasing alarm among Israeli leaders at America's perceived reluctance to consider military action to stop Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, according to the Jewish state's former national security adviser, Uzi Dayan.

"We need to persuade the US not to take this issue off the agenda," said the retired major-general, a senior aide to Mr Barak when he was prime minister.

Mr Barak's visit is part of a series of Israeli efforts to convince Washington of the Iranian threat. Mossad chief Meir Dagan has just wrapped up a round of talks in the US, while the Israeli army's chief of staff, Gabi Ashkenazi, is expected to travel to Washington shortly.

Last week's missile tests sent oil prices soaring from $136 to $147 a barrel, delivering a windfall gain worth billions of dollars to Iran's oil-based economy. "




It's not hard to figure out why they love Republicans.  They know who butters their bread when it comes to oil prices.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1356
"Iran experts comment that the revolutionary regime in Tehran has traditionally preferred a Republican over a Democrat in the White House since the days when its founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, helped Ronald Reagan defeat Jimmy Carter."
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« Reply #133 on: July 15, 2008, 02:41:38 AM »

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php/index.php?context=va&aid=8839

Consider the Consequences

Never in history has it happened that nuclear power plants and nuclear enrichment facilities have been deliberately bombed.  Such facilities, everywhere in the world, operate under severe safety conditions because the release of radioactive materials is deadly, immediately and also long after exposure.  If the USA or Israel deliberately bomb a fully fueled nuclear power plant or nuclear fuel enrichment facilities, containment will be breached; radioactive elements will be released into the environment.  There will be horrific deaths for families in the surrounding vicinity.  The Union of Concerned Scientists has estimated 3 million deaths would result in 3 weeks from bombing the nuclear enrichment facilities near Esfahan, and the contamination would cover Afghanistan, Pakistan, all the way to India.

Reactors and enrichment facilities are built of extra strong concrete, often with multiple layers of containment domes, often built underground.  Bombing such facilities will require powerful explosives, earth penetrator war heads, maybe nuclear warheads.  The explosions will blow the contamination high into the atmosphere.  Where will it go is a question that is difficult to predict.

During the January 1991 Gulf War, many oil wells in Kuwait were set afire. According to the US State Department, “black rains were reported in Turkey, and black snow fell in the foothills of the Himalaya Mountains”.  The radioactive plumes from bombing Iran’s nuclear facilities would reach the same destinations, in the same weather conditions.  But the radioactive plume might go north, into Europe.  During the March 2003 invasion of Iraq by the USA, UK, Australia, and others, armour piercing shells and bombs tipped with depleted uranium (U238) were used.  It took 9 days for uranium particles from these weapons in Iraq to reach England, where air sample filters showed a 300% increase in uranium particles attributable to the war.  The weather patterns at the time that carried the particles to England passed over central Turkey, the Ukraine, Austria, Poland, Germany, Sweden, and Denmark, to England, then over Norway and Finland to the Arctic.  This was reported by The Times, summarizing a study in European Biology and Bioelectromagnetics.

The nuclear fallout from bombing Iran will have a half life of 700 million years.  That is a duration difficult to comprehend.  Jesus Christ was preaching a mere 2 thousand years ago.  In the evolution of humans, our earliest ape-like ancestors were walking upright a mere 5 million years ago.  The Bush administration and its Israeli advisors are now planning to contaminate the planet for 700 million years.  From the rhetoric of Presidential candidates John McCain and Hillary Clinton, they, too, think that is a good idea.  The US media seem to applaud.

Either Americans do not understand what it is they are preparing to do, or they think themselves immune to the consequences.  The planet is not large.  What goes around, comes around.  Smoke from the Gulf War oil fires went around the world and was detected in South America.  Radioactive fallout from bombing a nuclear reactor will also go far, especially considering that it has millions of years to make the trip.

 The Persian Gulf nations of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and Iran have more than half the world’s known oil reserves.  The 1981 study by Fetter and Tsipis in Scientific American on “Catastrophic Releases of Radioactivity” estimated that bombing a nuclear reactor would cause 8600 square miles around the reactor to be uninhabitable, depending on which way the wind blows.  Bombing the Bushehr reactor will mean half of the world’s oil is instantly inaccessible.  Bombing Iran means that Americans will not be driving cars any where, any more, for a long, long time.  The American Way of Life will be finished.  An economic collapse unimagined by Americans will follow.  Mechanized farming and food transport will be finished.  Famine is a possibility.  Food riots are a certainty, in the land of plenty, with the fuel gauge on empty.

The nations of the world cannot rely on the USA and its Israeli advisors to be rational about bombing reactors.  It is insane to say, “All options are on the table”, and it is a crime against humanity.  The USA and Israel are preparing the public to accept such insanity by announcing that they successfully bombed a Syrian nuclear reactor, with no ill effects.  Israel has also recently released video of its 1981 bombing of the Osiraq nuclear reactor in Iraq.  See, it’s easy.  Nothing bad happens.  But those were both construction sites, not loaded reactors full of tons of enriched uranium.

Peoples and governments in the Persian Gulf, in the Middle East, in Europe, and down wind in India and China need to take effective actions now to stop this insanity.  Once radiation is released, UN resolutions cannot put it back in containment.

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« Reply #134 on: July 18, 2008, 08:31:29 PM »

Good news, one can definitely hope:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/16/usa.iran


The US is planning to establish a diplomatic presence in Tehran for the first time in 30 years, a remarkable turnaround in policy by president George Bush who has pursued a hawkish approach to Iran throughout his time in office.

The Guardian has learned that an announcement will be made in the next month to establish a US interests section in Tehran, a halfway house to setting up a full embassy. The move will see US diplomats stationed in the country.

The news comes at a critical time in US-Iranian relations. After weeks that have seen tensions rise with Israel conducting war games aimed at Iran and Tehran carrying out long-range missile tests, a thaw appears to be under way.

The White House announced today that William Burns, a senior state department official, is to be sent to Switzerland on Saturday to hear Tehran's response to a European offer aimed at resolving the nuclear standoff.

Burns is to sit down at the table with Iranian officials in spite of Bush repeatedly ruling out direct talks on the nuclear issue until Iran suspended its uranium enrichment progamme, a possible first step on the way to building a nuclear weapon capability.

A frequent complaint of the Iranians is that they want to deal direct with the Americans instead of its surrogates, Britain, France and Germany.

Bush has taken a hard line with Iran throughout the last seven years but, in the dying days of his administration, it is believed he is keen to have a positive legacy that he can point to.


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