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« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2008, 11:52:17 PM »

http://web.mit.edu/cis/press_release_fallon.html
Admiral Fallon, Former U.S. CENTCOM Commander,
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« Reply #136 on: August 03, 2008, 11:49:40 AM »

http://www.newsweek.com/id/149806?from=rss

According to Netanyahu advisor Uzi Arad—a former Mossad official who was present at the 45-minute talk—Obama agreed with Netanyahu that "the paramount and most urgent issue is Iran," and that "a nuclear Iran is unacceptable not only to Israel but to the United States." Netanyahu "also made it clear to him that on the Iranian threat there is no dissension in Israel; this is a national attitude." In a telephone interview on Thursday, Arad told me that he believed that the Democratic candidate for president concurred with Netanyahu as well about the sequence of events that must occur: On Iran "the clocks and centrifuges are clicking and spinning, and not only is time of the essence but the order of things is as well. Should one fail to neutralize that Iranian threat now, it would undercut anything that would be achieved with the Palestinians, Syria or Lebanon."

 Obama, for his part, said he was for the use of "more carrots and sticks" and wanted to have dialogue and engagement policy with Iran before taking any other action, according to Arad. "Netanyahu reacted by saying that what is essential here are not means but the ends. … They are in agreement about the overall objective. Then Netanyahu added his considered judgment that the more credible the military option, the more likely it is that diplomacy with sanction will succeed." Obama's "body language conveyed" that he agreed with that as well, Arad said. He added that the two did not discuss whether a President Obama would support Israel if the Jewish state came to think it necessary to strike Iran.

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« Reply #137 on: August 03, 2008, 04:07:32 PM »

Why is it ok for our country and others to have nuclear power but not Iran? Heck we just are closing the deal to sell $10 billion dollars of weapons for Iraq to use against us so WTF is the problem with Iran having power plants? And WTF is wrong with this place to even think about blowing up their power plants? You can't put nuclear radiation back into the containment storage facilities once it is unleashed. Do they want to wipe everyone off the face of the earth with this insanity? You won't die quickly from radiation spreading over the whole planet - nah it will be a slow and painful way to die - more like a lingering illness that never goes away.
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« Reply #138 on: August 03, 2008, 05:18:27 PM »

JJ, You're right about that. Once released, that's it.
and why did We even go to war? After reading all i have and seeing We killed our own people with WMD [and still are] , who's to say that Irac was any different?
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« Reply #139 on: August 03, 2008, 05:41:11 PM »

Trudy yes that will be it - also those participating in this insanity - have they given any thought about members of their families and their friends who will also be poisoned with the fallout from the radiation? Stupid is as stupid does - duhhh!!
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« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2008, 12:31:03 AM »

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« Reply #141 on: August 04, 2008, 01:52:46 AM »

http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=oid%3A46763
Chris Davis Explains It All ... Cheney: Terrorist or Just an Evil Genius ?
AUGUST 1, 2008 - 12:53 PM


"Is Vice President Dick Cheney a terrorist? In an interview posted at thinkprogress.org, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh accuses the Veep of hosting a meeting in his office to determine how the Bush administration might provoke a war with Iran and make Americans think it's Iran's fault. The bellicose brainstorming session even included a plan to disguise American troops as Iranians and have them shoot and possibly kill other American troops.
"There were a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war [with Iran]," Hersh said.

"The one that interested me the most was why don't we [America] ... build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up."

The plan was dismissed because Americans might die, Hersh said, explaining why the provocative information didn't make it into his most recent story for The New Yorker. But does it really matter that this time Team Torture chose to dismiss the dirtiest option on the table? What makes Cheney so special that he believes he has the right to determine whether or not to turn the American military against Americans to create an international incident and facilitate war?

The answer isn't hard to find. What's perhaps most shocking about this revelation is that we are surprised by it. In the 90's, Cheney signed on with William Kristol’s Project for the New American Century, a think-tank that advocated for a variety of wars in the Persian Gulf. In 1998, three years prior to the September 11th attacks on New York and Washington D.C., several neoconservatives including Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, John Bolton, and other Cheney associates sent a letter to then President Clinton urging him to invade Iraq. PNAC also drafted a Y2K manifesto titled Rebuilding America's Defenses which declared, "Even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself ... The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of the past century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership." ....



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« Reply #142 on: August 04, 2008, 03:00:52 AM »

Klondike, I was looking for that article after hearing it mentioned on the news.  I found this Hersh article and it makes really good reading:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all

Preparing the Battlefield
The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran.
by Seymour M. Hersh

Under federal law, a Presidential Finding, which is highly classified, must be issued when a covert intelligence operation gets under way and, at a minimum, must be made known to Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and the Senate and to the ranking members of their respective intelligence committees—the so-called Gang of Eight. Money for the operation can then be reprogrammed from previous appropriations, as needed, by the relevant congressional committees, which also can be briefed.

“This is a big deal,” the person familiar with the Finding said. “The C.I.A. needed the Finding to do its traditional stuff, but the Finding does not apply to JSOC. The President signed an Executive Order after September 11th giving the Pentagon license to do things that it had never been able to do before without notifying Congress. The claim was that the military was ‘preparing the battle space,’ and by using that term they were able to circumvent congressional oversight. Everything is justified in terms of fighting the global war on terror.” He added, “The Administration has been fuzzing the lines; there used to be a shade of gray”—between operations that had to be briefed to the senior congressional leadership and those which did not—“but now it’s a shade of mush.”

A Democratic senator told me that, late last year, in an off-the-record lunch meeting, Secretary of Defense Gates met with the Democratic caucus in the Senate. (Such meetings are held regularly.) Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a preëmptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, “We’ll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.” Gates’s comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch, and another senator asked whether Gates was speaking for Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. Gates’s answer, the senator told me, was “Let’s just say that I’m here speaking for myself.”
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Also, this is an interesting timeline, kind of what is chronicled on this thread:

http://www.brusselstribunal.org/Meyer/iran.htm






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« Reply #143 on: August 04, 2008, 04:17:43 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)
"About 20 years previously, many world governments were on the brink of collapse due to the War on Terror spiraling out of control. Little is mentioned of foreign countries, but the outside world is implied to be in chaos, with the "former United States" dissolving in an ongoing civil war. Britain was able to survive the crises by embracing a fascist government with large emergency powers, which managed to save Britain from total collapse and restore order. However, for the past decade the immediate danger has subsided, but Norsefire maintains a totalitarian grip on power. Norsefire also uses state-controlled mass media as a propaganda tool to support the government.
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Meanwhile, Chief Inspector Finch, while investigating V's activities, learns how Norsefire came to power, and about V’s origins. Twenty years previously, Britain had suffered from war and terrorism due to their assistance in the War on Terror, which was spiraling out of control. The socially-conservative and openly fascist Norsefire party led a reactionary purge to restore order; so-called enemies of the state (foreigners, Muslims, homosexuals, liberals, and common war protesters) disappeared during the night, rounded up in massive prison camps where they ultimately died. The country was deeply divided over these events until a bioterrorist attack occurred, killing about 100,000 people (80,000 to be exact according to an article Finch is seen reading on his office computer). A pharmaceutical company owned by Norsefire soon discovered a cure to the virus, netting them vast wealth from its distribution. The fear generated by the attack allowed Norsefire to silence all opposition and win the next election by a landslide. With the silent consent of the people, Norsefire turned Britain into a bigoted totalitarian police state, with their leader Adam Sutler as High Chancellor.

However, the attack had actually been engineered by Norsefire as a plot to gain power.

 The virus - along with its cure - had been engineered through human experimentation on "social deviants" and political dissidents at Larkhill detention centre. Among them was the man who would become V. Although all the other test subjects died from the experiments, he gained heightened mental and physical abilities at the cost of significant physical disfigurement and warping his mind. These abilities enabled V to destroy the centre and escape, vowing to take revenge on Norsefire's regime."

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« Reply #144 on: August 05, 2008, 01:28:03 AM »

And the insanity continues? WTF is wrong with these warmongers? Do they not think the warning from Russia, China and Iran are to be taken seriously? We do not have any more money to spend on this type of insanity nor any manpower to send either. So whats left - nuclear actions? There is no stopping once they let that out of the silos. What are they thinking - oh excuse me, they are thinking? Of Who? Not you or me or any consequences from other countries who say don't do this or else. Does that not make one shred of an impact on them?
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« Reply #145 on: August 06, 2008, 10:55:18 AM »

Norsefire sounds similar to another entity mentioned on a different thread. I wonder if they were the inspiration.
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« Reply #146 on: August 06, 2008, 10:59:17 AM »

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=HAA20060306&articleId=2067

U.S. endorsed Iranian plans to build massive nuclear energy industry
Cheney Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz behind Iran Nuclear Program initiated during Ford Administration

by Ed Haas
 
Global Research, March 6, 2006


In 1976, President Gerald R. Ford signed a directive that granted Iran the opportunity to purchase U.S. built reprocessing equipment and facilities designed to extract plutonium from nuclear reactor fuel. 
 
When Gerald Ford assumed the Presidency in August 1974, the current Vice President of the United States, Richard B Cheney served on the transition team and later as Deputy Assistant to the President. In November 1975, he was named Assistant to the President and White House Chief of Staff, a position he held throughout the remainder of the Ford Administration.[1] 

In August 1974, the current Secretary of Defense, Donald H. Rumsfeld served as Chairman of the transition to the Presidency of Gerald R. Ford. He then became Chief of Staff of the White House and a member of the President's Cabinet (1974-1975)[2] and was the Ford Administration’s Secretary of Defense from 1975–1977.   

The current President of the World Bank, Paul Wolfowitz served in the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency under President Gerald Ford.[3]  Wolfowitz is considered as a prominent architect of the Bush Doctrine, which has come to be identified with a policy that permits pre-emptive war against potential aggressors before they are capable of mounting attacks against the United States. 

According to Washington Post Staff Writer Dafna Linzer, “Ford’s team endorsed Iranian plans to build a massive nuclear energy industry, but also worked hard to complete a multibillion-dollar deal that would have given Tehran control of large quantities of plutonium and enriched uranium – the two pathways to a nuclear bomb.   Either can be shaped into the core of a nuclear warhead, and obtaining one or the other is generally considered the most significant obstacle to would-be weopons builders.”[4]

It is also worth noting that in 2000, the World Bank resumed making loans to Iran.  As of June 30, 2004, the World Bank as made 51 loans valued at $2.6 billion to Iran.  The World Bank gets its funds from the International Monetary Fund, which in turn, gets its money from member nation dues / contributions.  The United States is required to contribute $37.2 billion per year into the IMF.  The Federal Reserve Banking Cartel orchestrated this money scheme so that it can continue to print and loan astronomical numbers of debt notes.  If the American people understood that the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Congress have been funding many activities of the Islamic Republic of Iran, most would be skeptical of the federal government’s current claim that Iran’s 30 year old, U.S. sanctioned, nuclear program is somehow now an immediate threat to the security of the United States.  The IMF and the World Bank create just enough degrees of separation to shield the government from the people recognizing that the federal government has fed the dog well that it now claims will bite if we do not ‘put it down’ with a pre-emptive strike. 

With Wolfowitz at the helm of the World Bank, one has to wonder if once again the Federal Reserve has positioned itself to fund both sides of a warring conflict.
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« Reply #147 on: August 06, 2008, 11:40:47 PM »

Very interesting, DMS.  They make money building and destroying at the expense of the average people.  They are going too far with greed when it involves killing, crippling and creating war orphans.  And it looks like they are out for blood again - I read defense stock funds are not doing so great anymore.  It does not have to be that way.

I think only the insiders make money in the long run on the war business.  Regular investors don't need that stuff.  Some ethical investing funds that exclude defense stocks were doing great, though the recession could hit them, too.  If war were a non-profit, I wonder how many there would be?

I found this quote you found by Gates striking:

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A Democratic senator told me that, late last year, in an off-the-record lunch meeting, Secretary of Defense Gates met with the Democratic caucus in the Senate. (Such meetings are held regularly.) Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a preëmptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, “We’ll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.” Gates’s comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch, and another senator asked whether Gates was speaking for Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. Gates’s answer, the senator told me, was “Let’s just say that I’m here speaking for myself.”

Now that is straight talk!  I found the original interview with Fallon that supposedly got him into hot water with our secretive administration.

http://www.esquire.com/features/fox-fallon
"Past American governments have used saber rattling as a useful tactic to get some bad actor on the world stage to fall in line. This government hasn't mastered that kind of subtlety. When Dick Cheney has rattled his saber, it has generally meant that he intends to use it. And in spite of recent war spasms aimed at Iran from this sclerotic administration, Fallon is in no hurry to pick up any campaign medals for Iran. And therein lies the rub for the hard-liners led by Cheney. Army General David Petraeus, commanding America's forces in Iraq, may say, "You cannot win in Iraq solely in Iraq," but Fox Fallon is Petraeus's boss, and he is the commander of United States Central Command, and Fallon doesn't extend Petraeus's logic to mean war against Iran.

So while Admiral Fallon's boss, President George W. Bush, regularly trash-talks his way to World War III and his administration casually casts Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as this century's Hitler (a crown it has awarded once before, to deadly effect), it's left to Fallon -- and apparently Fallon alone -- to argue that, as he told Al Jazeera last fall: "This constant drumbeat of conflict...is not helpful and not useful. I expect that there will be no war, and that is what we ought to be working for. We ought to try to do our utmost to create different conditions."

What America needs, Fallon says, is a "combination of strength and willingness to engage."

Those are fighting words to your average neocon -- not to mention your average supporter of Israel, a good many of whom in Washington seem never to have served a minute in uniform. But utter those words for print and you can easily find yourself defending your indifference to "nuclear holocaust.""


Fallon is no isolationist.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/13/AR2008071301644.html
"When he initially sought the funds last year, Adm. William J. Fallon, then commander of U.S. Central Command, described Bagram as "the centerpiece for the CENTCOM Master Plan for future access to and operations in Central Asia.""

I just think he and other sane people see a war with Iran as a disaster for us and our allies. 
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« Reply #148 on: August 10, 2008, 06:02:30 PM »

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=65207&sectionid=351020101
Fallon: Arabs do not want war on Iran
Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:42:29 GMT

Former commander of US forces in the Middle East Admiral William 'Fox' Fallon has cautioned Washington not to start a war with Iran.

"In one of his first public appearances on Tuesday at the Press Club after his resignation as the head of US Central Command, Adm. Fallon said that although the Persian Gulf littoral states support the presence of US forces in the region they do not want the US to wage war on Iran.

The retired US Admiral said the Persian Gulf littoral states demand the US 'to be active' in the region, adding that part of being active included the advice 'don't start a war' with Iran....


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« Reply #149 on: August 21, 2008, 05:30:30 PM »

I would definitely take this optimism with a grain of salt:

http://www.truthabouttrade.org/content/view/12256/68/

Iran Buys Wheat from US - Could there be a McDonalds Coming Next?

Opening a McDonalds in Tehran may not be on anyone's radar screen right now, but could it be coming next? The Wall Street Journal reported today that Iran bought wheat from the U.S. for the first time in almost three decades (August 21, 2008 - "Iran Buys Wheat From U.S. For First Time in 27 Years"). Trade and peace often go hand in hand.

The article lists factors that have made the current transaction a reality. First, Iran's choices for wheat access is limited because of an expected poor harvest due to drought. And second, there simply is not another choice for them to obtain the quantity and quality they need. It is not a decision that would have been taken lightly by either Iran or the United States, given the continuing tensions.

Thomas Friedman, in his "Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Prevention" has argued the point that countries that have a McDonalds probably will not go to war with each other. The reasoning behind the theory: Trade has increased the cost of war. There is more to lose economically between nations that trade. While there probably will not be Big Macs in Tehran anytime soon, it takes small steps to get started. Agricultural trade is not a bad place to start.
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