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Author Topic: CDC classes pet food as hazardous, Consumers Union finally reports  (Read 517 times)
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 07:53:47 PM »

"High temperature processing kills most bacteria but does not affect endotoxins and most fungal spores. In one study, Bacillus cereus was cultured from 85% of dry pet foods."
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http://www.drkarenbecker.com/nutrition/understanding_pet_food_indus.htm


This makes me question if it would make the pet foods "baked at lower temperatures" or "lightly cooked" have to come up with some really good safety measures to prove they're not going to be a recall risk, yes or no?  

And, it makes me also question the "extruded at high temperatures" being a viable safety measure if the salmonella still existed in the Mars products.

Who bakes the foods and do they test the batches for e coli/salmonella? At what point.. by the batch? by the ingredients?... well, I guess the whole process needs to be re-examined as far as my own understanding of all this.

3Cat did you get your list of recalls (public/private) done?  That alone could impeach the VSIP and safety claims of several companies, couldn't it?
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 08:02:07 PM »

I had to go back and read the FDA warning:

July 27, 2007
FDA Tips for Preventing Foodborne Illness Associated with Pet Food and Pet Treats
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/foodbornetips.htm

"During calendar year 2007, 15 pet products have been recalled due to Salmonella contamination; however, to date none of these products have been directly linked to human illness. "

Looks like almost a year later that they must surely stand corrected, doesn't it?

Cwap.. compare their statement to these - they should have stood corrected before they even published their "tips".


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5719a4.htm

"On May 8, 2007, the Pennsylvania Bureau of Laboratories reported three cases of S. Schwarzengrund infection with indistinguishable PFGE patterns to CDC's PulseNet.* On June 9, 2007, after PulseNet identified cases in Ohio and other states, CDC's OutbreakNet† team was notified of a potential multistate outbreak of S. Schwarzengrund infections. During June 2007, the Pennsylvania Department of Health (PADOH) interviewed persons identified by PulseNet as infected with the outbreak strain of S. Schwarzengrund. These initial interviews suggested exposure to dogs or dry dog food as a possible source of infection. Thirteen infected persons from Pennsylvania were questioned about dog-related exposures: eight (62%) owned one or more dogs, and the other five reported regular contact with a dog. Seven of the eight persons who owned dogs were able to recall the types of dog food they had purchased recently. Several brands had been purchased, but persons in the households of six patients recalled purchasing dog food products made by manufacturer A. These interviews suggested exposure to dogs or dry dog foods as a possible source of infection.

PADOH collected dog stool specimens and opened bags of dry dog food from the homes of the 13 Pennsylvania patients. The outbreak strain of S. Schwarzengrund was isolated from five of 13 dog stool specimens and two of 22 dry dog food specimens collected from the homes. The contaminated dry dog food bags were two different brands (brand A and brand B), both produced by manufacturer A at plant A in Pennsylvania.

In July 2007, the Ohio Department of Health also interviewed persons infected with the outbreak strain of S. Schwarzengrund and collected two dog stool specimens from one patient's home. The outbreak strain of S. Schwarzengrund was isolated from one of the dog stool specimens. The dog recently had been fed brand A dry dog food, but the bag of dog food was no longer available for testing. "
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 09:25:22 PM »

I know Smiley I'm talking to myself, can't sleep, get up and read it again to make sure I wasn't mis-reading...

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5719a4.htm

"A voluntary recall of specific-sized bags of two brands of dry dog food issued by the manufacturer in August 2007 was based only on lot-specific testing of finished unopened bags found to be positive for Salmonella by official FDA testing. Other sizes of bags of the two brands of dry dog food, although produced at plant A, were not recalled. Other brands of dry dog or cat food produced at plant A, including brands associated epidemiologically and microbiologically with illness, also were not included in the recall. "


So they recalled the relatively unknown "lesser" brands? What gives with "other sizes" not recalled?

I'm clearly beside myself....what other brands were produced at plant A made pets/people sick and were not recalled?

This is a complete pile of dung.. the FDA, the pet food companies and Mars for not doing the right, safe, thing in their "voluntary" recall or non-recall.


Cwap.. "...based only on lot-specific testing of finished unopened bags found to be positive for Salmonella by official FDA testing"

Meaning if the FDA misses it, they won't recall it even if they know it is making a pet/person sick?

I'm off the charts!!! This is a total indictment of the VSIP, AAFCO PFI FDA insanity!!
Safe pet foods? Not the way all of these are acting. It's all an illusion including AFSS and FDAAA...Acheson needs to be fired & Andrew Von Eschenbach needs to be fired!!

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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2008, 10:13:45 PM »

This is going to keep going on and on then? Who was it that said NO commercial pet food is safe and advised not to feed it? The link and article is on the forum but do not know who layed it all out as to why the food is not safe.

Now what are the pet parents, shelters, etc to do - just go right on feeding the food with who knows what level of contamination and germ filled stuff they are feeding?

I'm so disgusted that just proves once again another major supplier does not have a CONSCIENCE at all, nor does it bother them to make deadly food and keep on manufacturing and selling it to unsuspecting people.

How much trust will anyone place in companies after awhile if this just continues on with the tomatoes, sewage/toilet fish, baby bibs (lead), fungus in diapers, contaminated beef, downer cattle that never belong in the food chain whether for human or pet food, faulty tires, deadly spinach, melameals, burning flip flops, etc. These companies along with others have no conscience either.

It just keeps getting worse and the agencies whos job it is to take care of this and prevent it from happening are not keeping up or letting people know too late til someones dead or their pet is. Shame on Them.
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2008, 10:41:14 PM »

Well, the bottom line is HAACP controls for BOTH human and pet foods (and its worked so well for Human Foos - my snark).

While I can't just switch the babies over to Home Cookin (note, raw feeding might not be optimal now) untile they have acclimated to wet food again, I CAN buy from suppliers with ADEQUATE HAACP controls in place (for example, the link JustMe provided).

I agree it would be wise for the indies to promote their own HAACP controls (supposedly Natura does this also).  Wonder aout the EVO line of products, since they are lower cooking temps?

P.S - Evangers is definitely out of the list for purchasing.
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2008, 06:00:51 PM »

This is disgusting.  I keep reading these facts to be certain I understand what is approved, what is safe.  Some people I know actually do have a separate full kitchen just for their dogs.  We can not do that.  (Don't want to do that if we could)  It's an issue of both space and expense.  Besides, our dogs and cats have always been family.  They add so much to the rhythm and feel of a household and so enrich the lives of everyone.  Now we're supposed to treat their food like hazzardous material.  I don't doubt that much of it is hazzarous, but if what I feed them must be considered a danger, then the next step is no contact between animal and human?  No way.  Not at our place.  At this time I want very much to believe the kibble we use is completely OK.  We already do a good bit of home cooking for Jake. 

Like someone mentioned earlier on a different thread, are we coming to the point of needing to boil our own salads for 10 minutes before eating???  Will we ever have reasonably safe dog food, cat food, human food again?  Remember the days when you eagerly enjoyed getting a new recipe?  Now we just eagerly enjoy eating a few things that we think safe.
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2008, 09:32:26 AM »

carolo, I'm with you, eating as few processed foods as I dare. Free-trade, food and pharmaceutical
importing and distribution, and the lack of any effective food and drug safety policy have certainly collided
with disastrous results since 2000 in terms of food-borne illness and death, that's for sure. The biggest
failure to date has been commercial pet food, but the human food supply is rapidly overtaking it it seems to this
consumer.
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2008, 02:19:18 PM »

I really with there was a way We could go into these companies, see how it is made, and ask all the questions.
And We should be able to, this is america.
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