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« on: December 21, 2007, 08:20:36 AM » |
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Don't have much computer expertise, but my spybot has been picking up all kinds of crap since last night.
Make sure you have all your antivirus, firewalls, etc., up and running.
I don't think I'll be clicking on anymore websites that people are posting here, just in case.
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petslave
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 08:38:43 AM » |
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Is it bringing up a yellow banner at the top of the webpage that says warning this site could be a scam? Mine was doing that all the time earlier in the year, even when I brought up regular sites like the itchmo & itchmoforums pages.
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2007, 02:12:06 PM » |
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Here's the Microsoft info sheet on spyware and how you get it. http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/basics/spyware.mspxIt is not the same thing as a malicious virus. Microsoft seems to have some free spyware protection software available there. Thing is, one of the main ways you get spyware is by downloading free software. Think we can trust Microsoft?  Another way I think that you can get either spyware or viruses is to click on a bogus error msg when your computer gets tied up. I try to remember to just turn the computer off and then delete all cookies, etc, when I bring it back up. That has happened to me a couple of times on the Itchmo blog. I get this 'error on line' whatever msg. I think it is just an internal error, but that would be the scenario to get you to install or run an executable file. If you suspect a web site is posted here as trying to sneakily install malicious or invasive software, please let Itchmo or Filbert know. I haven't had any problems myself and don't see any funny processes running.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2007, 05:41:31 PM » |
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No yellow banners.
It was spyware according to spybot.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2007, 12:07:53 AM » |
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They have a pretty good discussion of Spyware in Wikipedia...enough to scare me into installing the Microsoft Defender anti-spyware. It is free. I did have Spybot for awhile but it really slowed the computer down and had conflicts with the old ISP software I had. It is supposed to be a good program as far as I know. I think my husband uses the version you have to pay for at work.
But the new version of Defender is supposed to be good, too, and it is running just fine for me now and did not find any spyware. It sounds like you can get spyware anywhere. I'm still going to browse around, but I'm glad you got me to try another anti-spyware program.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 11:29:39 AM » |
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Thanks for that info on Defender Klondike! I have a work-issued laptop that's supposed to have all the latest everything, but I never connect to the work network to get any upgrades, so it's probably all defunct by now. Last time I ran the anti-virus program that is on here, there was spyware on here. It think it's kind of hard not to run into it occasionally.
I read something in a computer magazine recently--I think it was saying to watch the upgrades you might be downloading. Most of us just accept the message that says upgrades are available for your computer, do you want to download now. But it sounded like this is sometimes a way to hack into your computer or load a virus. Not too sure about this but maybe something to research.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2007, 09:44:22 PM » |
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I keep my anitvirus s/w updated and run it daily, operating system and browsers updated and run programs such as Ad-Aware by Lavasoft often. I have more than one a/v program and run the other as well as the main one.
Klondike, I didn't have Defender but just added it to my "arsenal." Thx for the suggestion. It didn't find anything, btw, and in a way that's a good thing.
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2007, 06:54:58 AM » |
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I have Defender & AdAware plus my anti-virus software w/spyware detection. I've had Defender for quite a while now & have never had any problems with it. It runs in the background & that's it. Petslave.....I have never heard that about upgrades. I think anything is possible but that's a new one on me. I try to keep up to date on these things because they are always trying to get one step ahead of the software trying to stop them. I just recently added a firewall (part of my a-v) rather than use the Windows one & it wants to stop everything so I have to "train" it. In order to keep your computer from these nasty things, you need a kazillion pieces of software & have to make sure they are all kept up to date. It's a pain in the you-know-where. A friend of mine got an email that he thought was from his hometown as he had been on their website to see the latest news. The minute he clicked on it (not sure if he clicked on the email itself or an attachment.....it's usually in an attachment), he said all this stuff started going across his screen showing all the files that had a virus so he knew he clicked on something he shouldn't have. This virus pretty much shut down his computer. Cost him dearly to get it fixed. I was thinking about adding SpyBot to my arsenal but not if it slows down my computer. I hope what I have now will do the trick. 
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2007, 08:41:24 AM » |
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JanC--I'm not totally sure but I think most of the virus scanners upgrade automatically now when you're online. Maybe most do so in the background. I know when I had my big desktop set up, when I'd log on with dial-up it would tell me it was going to download the latest upgrades (mcafee) & I'd have to wait till it was done before I could look at anything online because the computer was too slow to deal with multiple tasks.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 10:22:29 AM » |
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A friend of mine got an email that he thought was from his hometown as he had been on their website to see the latest news. . . This virus pretty much shut down his computer. Cost him dearly to get it fixed. That is why usually ignore all 'strange' mail. And if I do plan on just looking at, it is always done from the email site on my ISP so THEIR software can stop all nasty things.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 12:30:36 PM » |
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there was a recent warning about emails that had 'invitations' with the email address being from someone you have known. It goes in & mines the email address book of someone's computer then emails messages to all those people using that person's address. So you think it's legitimate & from someone you know. When you click the invitation link it loads a virus on your computer.
I got 4 of them in one week from someone I lost contact with years ago so I knew it was one of those scams.
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2007, 12:35:19 PM » |
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That's why its good to have your own address in the address book so that if you get one from yourself, you'll know that something is wrong. It is good to have yahoo accounts that belong to you too, in the address book.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2007, 12:42:21 PM » |
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I think Outlook is a real easy one to mine addresses from. Years ago I cleaned out my address book & just put the addresses on a Word document. Recently I quit using Outlook completely & just log onto webmail for my email now. I don't seem to have much trouble with it that way. (knock on wood)
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2007, 01:02:49 PM » |
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I have Defender & AdAware plus my anti-virus software w/spyware detection. I've had Defender for quite a while now & have never had any problems with it. It runs in the background & that's it. Petslave.....I have never heard that about upgrades. I think anything is possible but that's a new one on me. I try to keep up to date on these things because they are always trying to get one step ahead of the software trying to stop them. I just recently added a firewall (part of my a-v) rather than use the Windows one & it wants to stop everything so I have to "train" it. In order to keep your computer from these nasty things, you need a kazillion pieces of software & have to make sure they are all kept up to date. It's a pain in the you-know-where. A friend of mine got an email that he thought was from his hometown as he had been on their website to see the latest news. The minute he clicked on it (not sure if he clicked on the email itself or an attachment.....it's usually in an attachment), he said all this stuff started going across his screen showing all the files that had a virus so he knew he clicked on something he shouldn't have. This virus pretty much shut down his computer. Cost him dearly to get it fixed. I was thinking about adding SpyBot to my arsenal but not if it slows down my computer. I hope what I have now will do the trick.  You probably don't need to worry about Spybot slowing your system. I checked with my husband and they use the free version where he works, not the professional one like I thought. (They run a tight ship.) I'm sure now that my problem was with the ISP software, specifically an accelerator. I'd feel safe installing Spybot and trying again. It sounds like some people are running more than one program with no problems. You can usually uninstall most programs easily. Maybe Google 'uninstalling Spybot' first to see if there are any glitches getting rid of it. I can't remember if the uninstall required any tinkering. I do think you better be heed petslave's warning about downloading software upgrades through third party web sites. I just got a Microsoft security warning on that when I went to a web site. That is very rare for me to get those warnings. I can't remember the last one. If I upgrade, I use the vendor web site to do that. You even have to be careful about that because there are rogue web sites that use a slightly modified version of the popular legitimate software names to trick you into downloading viruses or spyware.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2007, 06:36:12 PM » |
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Klondike......I don't think I've ever downloaded any upgrades via third-party websites. I always go to the manufacturer's website or else it just pops up through my software telling me there's an upgrade or a newer version. I am ultra paranoid so it's very rare I download anything. I'm even paranoid about going to websites through links not knowing where I'm going or what I'm going to find there. I go through my cookies a couple of times a day & get rid of any ad cookies & I usually run one of my spyware scans a couple of times a day. That's not to say my computer is safe......hackers are getting more & more clever trying to defeat software that's there to block them. You can only do what you can & try to surf safely. Sad that it's come to this...... 
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