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« Reply #1365 on: November 17, 2008, 09:18:36 AM » |
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I believe Jan's correct. Susan Thixton recently published an article on bar codes. The most as I understand it they will reveal is the manufacturer who produced it, not the source of the ingredients. Online you can go here, after registering (free), enter the bar code, and whatever info is available comes up: http://www.cproductinfo.com/index.asp?Page=112So if you have your web-capable cell phone, you can look up while shopping. Tells you only who processed it. Otherwise, after two years of beating my head against this blank concrete wall of FDA failure to enforce COOL and manufacturer stupidity, you're on your own as a consumer. JJ and straybaby are right; purchase local and don't purchase processed foods if possible. If the single ingredient item does not indicate the country of origin, you're pretty much own your own. Until manufacturers post testing methods, sensitivity levels of testing, by UPC, plant codes, and batch expiration dates either in the grocery store or on internet web sites, you are playing Russian roulette with the processed food supply in this "global food supply" village. Let's hope Team O bama changes that as soon as possible. In the mean time, pick manufacturers with deep pockets if you do purchase processed foods so you can sue them for the damage they're doing.  Heck of a way to grocery shop, isn't it?
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« Reply #1366 on: November 17, 2008, 11:19:05 AM » |
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The US FDA cannot fix China's food safety problems. Time to give up that flawed polcy, even as FDA office openings waste our tax money in China: http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_303340.htmlNov 17, 2008 Chinese wary after scandal ... Mr Rao Pingfan, an internationally respected food scientist, said another major problem was that small manufacturers, many of whom lack safety training, dominated China's food industry. 'Illegal dealers use cheap substitutes with low nutritional value, you can see the greediness in their eyes. Total ignorance makes them fearless,' said Mr Rao, who teaches at Fuzhou University. Mr Rao said the milk crisis proved an absence of standards and enforcement was a huge problem throughout the food industry. 'Fraud and corruption often thwart the effectiveness of legislation and government supervision,' Mr Rao said. 'Milk companies knew money could buy them exemptions from quality checks.' ...
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« Reply #1367 on: November 17, 2008, 11:21:51 AM » |
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The first two show the country that issued the barcode. This basically means nothing. It is where the company is (US company, Canadian company etc). When I do bar codes, the first six numbers never change for the company, doesn't matter where it's manufactured.
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« Reply #1368 on: November 17, 2008, 11:37:04 AM » |
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http://www.irishnews.com/break.asp?tbrk=brk&par=brk&catid=5834&subcatid=642&storyid=386691Breaking News17:39 WORLD: China tops 'safety alerts' imports tableview list 17/11/2008 China remains the biggest source of imported consumer goods which trigger safety alerts across Europe, new figures showed today.
In all, 56% of all goods put on alert were from China – 615 alerts in all across all imported goods categories compared with 472 reported problems from China (47% of the total) in 2007.
A Commission statement said: “This increase was partially caused by the fact that many of the products that had been notified in the past from unknown origin were, due to more effective market surveillance activities, notified in 2008 as products of Chinese origin.” Big European, US, Chinese product and food safety conference this week in Belgium. Nancy Nord is representing the US (whoohoo). At least the Europeans are admitting that the problem coming from China is even bigger than they originally thought. Sounds like the advice being given is along the lines of "Tut, tut, China, now do better." Isn't exactly confidence inspiring. eta: article on European safety meeting. I really hope contact with the US and China does not bring European Union safety standards down, but rather raises those of the backwards US: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/17/business/safety.php
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« Reply #1369 on: November 17, 2008, 11:39:20 AM » |
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The first two show the country that issued the barcode. This basically means nothing. It is where the company is (US company, Canadian company etc). When I do bar codes, the first six numbers never change for the company, doesn't matter where it's manufactured. bummer...I removed the other two threads that I copied the link to...knew it was too good to be true... 
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« Reply #1370 on: November 17, 2008, 04:24:36 PM » |
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International Herald Tribune is the international edition of the New York Times. Nice to see in mainstream media print what everyone on Itchmo has been saying since about June of 2007: http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=17862064China, America and melamine By James E. McWilliams James E. McWilliams, a history professor at Texas State University at San Marcos, is the author of "American Pests: The Losing War on Insects From Colonial Times to DDT." Sunday, November 16, 2008 AUSTIN, Texas: China's food supply appears to be awash in the industrial chemical melamine. Dangerous levels have been detected not only in milk and eggs, but also in chicken feed and wheat gluten, meaning that melamine is almost impossible to avoid in processed foods. Melamine in baby formula has killed at least four infants in China and sickened tens of thousands more. In response, the United States has blasted lax Chinese regulations, while the Food and Drug Administration, in a rare move, announced last week that Chinese food products containing milk would be detained at the border until they were proved safe. For all the outrage about Chinese melamine, what American consumers and government agencies have studiously failed to scrutinize is the place of melamine in America's own food system. In casting stones, we've forgotten that our house has its own exposed glass. ... But these figures obscure more than they reveal. First, while adults eat about one-fortieth of their weight every day, toddlers consume closer to one-tenth. Although scientists haven't measured the differential impact of melamine on infants versus adults, it's likely that this intensified ratio would at least double (if not quadruple) the impact of legal levels of melamine on toddlers. This doubled exposure might not land a child in the hospital, but it could certainly contribute to the long-term kidney and liver problems that we know are caused by chronic exposure to melamine. On a more concrete note, melamine not only has widespread industrial applications, but is also used to buttress the foundation of American agriculture.Fertilizer companies commonly add melamine to their products because it helps control the rate at which nitrogen seeps into soil, thereby allowing the farmer to get more nutrient bang for the fertilizer buck. But the government doesn't regulate how much melamine is applied to the soil. This melamine accumulates as salt crystals in the ground, tainting the soil. A related area of agricultural concern is animal feed. Chinese eggs seized last month in Hong Kong, for instance, contained elevated levels of melamine because of the melamine-laden wheat gluten used in the feed for the chickens that produced the eggs. To think American consumers are immune to this unscrupulous behavior is to ignore the Byzantine reality of the global gluten trade. Tracking the flow of wheat gluten around the world is like trying to contain a drop of dye in a churning whirlpool.More ominous, the United States imports most of its wheat gluten. Last year, for instance, the FDA reported that millions of Americans had eaten chicken fattened on feed with melamine-tainted gluten imported from China. Around the same time, Tyson Foods slaughtered and processed hogs that had eaten melamine-contaminated feed. The government decided not to recall the meat. Only a week earlier, however, the FDA had announced that thousands of cats and dogs had died from melamine-laden pet food. This high-profile pet scandal did not prove to be a spur to reform so much as a red herring. Our attention was diverted to Fido and away from the animals we happen to kill and eat rather than spoil. ... I do disagree that the pet food recalls of 2007 were a red herring. If the government of the US had paid attention, perhaps 2008 would never have occurred. Our furkids died to warn everyone, and all the pain they underwent and their owners underwent was promptly ignored and chocked up to over the top nuts, like the global warmers.
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« Reply #1371 on: November 17, 2008, 05:10:48 PM » |
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RE: Bar Codes & Country of Origin/Source/Manufacturing? I always thought the first group of numbers was coded for the manufacturer's brand name and the last set was assigned to a particular product within that brand name. Apparently, the following author said reading the bar code will reveal the country of origin? Is there a difference between the actual bar code (stripes) and UPC numbers? Here's what Federico D. Pascual said: "BAR CODES: Because of the resulting notoriety of Chinese milk products, some merchants do not indicate in their packaging and labeling the country-source if it is China. I have mentioned this in a previous Postscript, but will repeat it: Even without the country of origin indicated, buyers can determine the source by using the bar code. ]When the bar code starts with the three digits 690… 691… 692 through 695, the product is made in China. Taiwan’s bar code starts with 471.The bar code of Philippine products starts with 480. Other countries: 00 through 13, USA and Canada; 30 - 37, France; 40-44, Germany; 49, Japan; 50, United Kingdom; 57, Denmark; 64, Finland; 76, Switzerland and Lienchtenstein; 628, Saudi-Arabia; 629, United Arab Emirates; and 740-745, Central America." http://beta2.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=414298&publicationSubCategoryId=64OK. Now, I think I see. The above is quoted from a Philippine publication. An EAN bar code system (13 digits), which is used outside the U.S. & Canada, has a digit that indicates the country. Let's go to the EAN system!
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Buy local. Buy organic. If you ate today, thank a farmer, hopefully a small, local farmer.
Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food.
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« Reply #1372 on: November 17, 2008, 05:44:48 PM » |
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Barcode my client uses: 087918 ****** American company based out of LI, NY. The last 6 numbers are from a block of numbers issued and they are assigned as product is developed. Looking at a cookbook I bought recently, the barcode starts with a 9 in front of the code, and then the 6 numbers are 780764 followed by another 6 numbers and it was run in Canada and the US at the same time. Company is based in NJ. Up until now, I had never heard the first2 were country. I was always under the impression the first 6 just identified the company. I'll check with my client tomorrow to see what other info I can get. Usually if I'm banging out a bunch of product/packaging, I just change the last 2 or 3 numbers as I go. Doesn't matter what the product is. They don't have all the products produced in the same country. Some are here, some China etc. If we have to move something from one country to another, we change the "Made in" and that's it, iirc. My biggest worry is usually whether I need to include french translation, and do I have the right one! lol!~  ETA: more bar codes Kiss My Face lotion (NY) Made in USA 028367 Organic Beef Jerky 817820
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« Reply #1373 on: November 17, 2008, 06:45:41 PM » |
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More ominous, the United States imports most of its wheat gluten. Last year, for instance, the FDA reported that millions of Americans had eaten chicken fattened on feed with melamine-tainted gluten imported from China. Around the same time, Tyson Foods slaughtered and processed hogs that had eaten melamine-contaminated feed. The government decided not to recall the meat.
Only a week earlier, however, the FDA had announced that thousands of cats and dogs had died from melamine-laden pet food. This high-profile pet scandal did not prove to be a spur to reform so much as a red herring. Our attention was diverted to Fido and away from the animals we happen to kill and eat rather than spoil. ...
Too bad they still can't get the facts quite right. I was pretty sure the only reason they realized chickens and hogs were fed tainted feed was because of the "red herring" pet food recall. No one would have even looked at the animal feed if the pets hadn't started dying first. No one was testing the wheat gluten to begin with. And if at that time the FDA had actually announced that thousands of dogs and cats had died, maybe more people would have realized the gravity of the situation. Again as I recall, the only official count being reported for the longest time was 16 dead, repeated over and over and over in the general media. I truly hope one day people do realize how the pets and their owners paid the price to warn us. If only more had been paying attention. (Sorry, done ranting)
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« Reply #1374 on: November 17, 2008, 08:46:44 PM » |
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rant away, shadowmice. All the pet owners of 2007 join in that rant on the government's failure to assess the threat of melamine even close to the horrors it is capable of causing.
There is a bar code reading thread here on Itchmo. I saw the Phillippines article and flipped out, too, about how nice it would be if the UPC identified country of origin. Going to look for it, as we all came to the conclusion it does not do that...
Ok, this was a very recent thread before our 4 day outtage. Cato commented in it, JustMe about spices she had in her kitchen cabinet , and was quoting same Phillippines article on bar codes and country of origin. According to search tonight, the thread is gone. Searched for Phillippines, 480, bar code. So there is information lost off the site after that outtage. Plus, if you search Phillippines, search results only include three entries. Phillippines comes up lots of times in this thread alone. So there is maybe a lot of prior Itchmo information that has been affected by the site's ups and downs and server problems unless someone has edited it. I know this thread existed because I posted it originally.
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« Reply #1375 on: November 17, 2008, 09:24:35 PM » |
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Ok, this was a very recent thread before our 4 day outtage. Cato commented in it, JustMe about spices she had in her kitchen cabinet , and was quoting same Phillippines article on bar codes and country of origin. According to search tonight, the thread is gone. Searched for Phillippines, 480, bar code. So there is information lost off the site after that outtage.
I found it. Check your messages 3Cat.
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Please consider adopting or fostering local cats/kittens, dogs/puppies if you are willing and able to.
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« Reply #1376 on: November 18, 2008, 04:32:49 AM » |
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rant on shadowmice! I just typed my own rant---too long to really post and you all already know my rantings so I spared you all! 
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« Reply #1377 on: November 18, 2008, 08:31:03 AM » |
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Thank you, JustMe! Sorry, everyone, but I can no longer keep my forums straight. I did post a thread on the Phillippines article and universal bar codes, just not on Itchmo. So I have to take back any inference that itchmo lost a forum thread due to server outtages. I lost this forum thread due to cross-posting in other places. So here's the gist of what I found regarding UPC's or bar codes which seems to indicate that they do not identify the country of origin of the product or the origins of the food's ingredients, but rather the country in which the manufacturer is located and the manufacturer name. So subject to better clarification and correction, that's kind of what UPCs [bar codes] do: "Well, heck, at least I found where the concept came from:
http://www.gs1.org/productssolutions/barcodes/support/prefix_list.html
"Prefix List GS1 Prefixes do not provide identification of country of origin for a given product. They simply provide number capacity to different countries for assignment from that location to companies who apply. Those companies in turn may manufacture products anywhere in the world.
The management of the GS1 System is carried out locally by GS1 Member Organisations established in over 100 countries. GS1 Member Organisations use their assigned prefix to allocate GS1 Company Prefixes to their member companies to enable them to create GS1 Identification Keys."
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GS1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GS1_country_codes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Product_Code
So this is an international system applied so that companies can design bar codes that can be scanned in the countries where the products are to be sold, I think, NOT AN IDENTIFIER OF THE COUNTRY OR ORIGIN. That would have been too easy for the consumer."This is still the best online interpreter of bar codes and their meanings that I've found. If there are others, please post!!! If you enter the bar code and this site says it's something other than what the bar code indicates, you could have a real problem with the food you purchased: http://www.cproductinfo.com/index.asp?Page=112
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« Reply #1378 on: November 18, 2008, 12:34:21 PM » |
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So this is an international system applied so that companies can design bar codes that can be scanned in the countries where the products are to be sold, I think, NOT AN IDENTIFIER OF THE COUNTRY OR ORIGIN. That would have been too easy for the consumer. Correct, at least for the home goods products I design. Say I design a Tinkerbell graphic for a 5x6 throw. There are 4 fabrications it could be made from. 2 would be manufactured in the US and 2 in China. The first 6 numbers of the barcode would be the same on all 4. Only the last couple of digits would change as each would need a unique number because the different fabrications are different product categories. I could have one of the US throws later manufactured in China without changing the barcode (as long as it was the exact same as the US made one). The barcode won't tell you which was manufactured where.
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« Reply #1379 on: November 19, 2008, 07:53:44 PM » |
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http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/242291,vietnam-inspectors-find-melamine-in-five-tons-of-powered-milk.htmlVietnam inspectors find melamine in five tons of powered milk Posted : Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:24:06 GMT Author : DPA Category : Health Hanoi - Vietnamese health inspectors found melamine in samples taken from five tons of powdered milk imported from China, raising the number of melamine-tainted products found in the country to 33, health officials said Wednesday. Nguyen Thi Hiep, deputy director of the Institute for Hygiene and Public Health, said the chemical used in making plastics was found in a milk sample sent by GBCO Production and Trade Company, located in Ho Chi Minh City.
On Tuesday, authorities involved in a different case asked the Hoang Phuc Huy Trade and Service Company to return three imported brands of melamine-tainted cakes manufactured in Malaysia.
Nguyen Nu Chau Hanh, deputy director of the firm, said it had imported nearly 45,000 kilograms of the tainted cakes over the past several months. One shipment that arrived in August, however, has already been sold, making it practically impossible to recall.
"The cakes imported in September and October are still in stores," said Hanh. "Our partner has agreed to get them back and we will re-export them in the next few days."
Some European countries permit tiny quantities of melamine in foodstuffs, but the government of Vietnam bans products with even minute amounts of the industrial chemical. Just keeps on showing up
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