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« Reply #705 on: October 03, 2008, 03:31:33 PM »

http://www.taipeitimes.com:80/News/world/archives/2008/10/04/2003424991

More countries ban China dairy
SPILLED MILK: Authorities in Manila, Hanoi and Montevideo have taken measures to ban food products from China believed to contain the toxic chemical melamine.
Saturday, Oct 04, 2008, Page 5

In South America, Uruguay’s public health ministry banned all dairy imports from China on Thursday, including baby formula.

Bringing to 55 the number of countries worldwide that put food safety first
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From Reply 625, page 42 of this thread:
http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/09/27/2008-09-27T123805Z_01_B162168_RTRIDST_0_CHINA-MILK-RECALLS-FACTBOX.html

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IMPORT BANS:
* BANGLADESH: -- Three Chinese powdered milk brands, Sanlu, Suncare and Yashili, banned. Melamine tests to be introduced on
                          all milk  powder imports at Bangladeshi seaports.
* BENIN: -- Bans powered milk products from China.
* BHUTAN: -- Bhutan has banned Chinese milk imports, ranging from chocolates, sweets and cakes to milk tablets.
* BRUNEI: -- All Chinese milk products banned by Health Ministry, even though Brunei does not directly import dairy products from China.
* BURUNDI: -- Banned import, sale of Chinese milk products.
* COLOMBIA: -- Banned import of China-made powdered milk.
* CAMEROON: -- Suspends import and sale of fresh and powdered milk from China.
* EUROPEAN UNION: -- The 27-nation bloc banned baby food containing Chinese milk.
* FRANCE: -- Banned all food items containing Chinese milk as precautionary move.
* GABON: -- Introduced ban at same time as Burundi.
* GHANA: -- Food and Drug Board suspended imports of all milk and milk-based products made in China.
* INDIA: -- Banned import of milk and milk products from China for three months.
* INDONESIA: -- Banned imports of China dairy products.
* IVORY COAST: -- Banned imports of milk products from China.
* MALAYSIA: -- Banned all Chinese milk imports, as well as chocolates, sweets and other foods containing milk.
* MALDIVES: -- Banned Chinese milk products to protect its population of 300,000.
* NEPAL: -- Banned all China milk and milk-based food products as a precautionary measure.
* PAPUA NEW GUINEA: -- Banned China-made milk products.
* PHILIPPINES: -- Banned import and sale of milk products from China, pending investigation of possible contamination.
* SINGAPORE: -- Banned the import and sale of milk products from China on Sept 19 after finding melamine in two China-made
                        products -- "Dutch Lady" strawberry flavoured milk, and "Yili Brand" dairy fruit bar yoghurt flavoured ice confection.
                        White Rabbit Creamy Candy pulled from shelves after being found to be contaminated with melamine.
* SOUTH KOREA: -- Banned China-made foods containing powdered milk after imported biscuits test positive for melamine.
* SURINAME: -- Banned milk and dairy products from China, is stepping up inspections on food imported from Southeast Asia.
* TAIWAN: -- All China-made dairy products banned, a milk testing station set up for consumers in Taipei.
* TANZANIA: -- Suspended all China dairy imports, and seized 34 tonnes of China-made milk powder.
* TOGO: -- Suspended import, distribution and sale of all Chinese-origin milk products.
* VIETNAM: -- Banned China milk products. Health officials warned such products may have been sold in remote areas
                     in the impoverished central region.

Edited to add on Monday, September 29, 2008: *MYANMAR and *LAOS (see reply 556, page 38)

Edited to add on Wednesday, October 1, 2008: *UGANDA (see Reply 619, page 42)

51  54 nations where consumer food safety appears to come first pending further investigation and food safety controls   

Edited to add on Friday, October 3, 2008: *URUGUAY

To the overwhelmed US FDA and US Congress: Keep repeating "If it's 'Got Milk?', it needs government testing" until it sinks into the
bureaucratic morass. The American consumer does not want this happening for the second time in the United States."

"China has run out of excuses, assurances and defenses. As a giant exporter of food and other products, its attitude toward consumer safety is a disgrace and a global health threat."
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« Reply #706 on: October 03, 2008, 04:18:21 PM »

Elevated uric acid levels can come from foods high in purines, such as liver, certain fish, red wine, etc.  I've seen studies of rats having crystals that were a combination of melamine and uric acid.  Also, those ads for enzyme cleaners for urine stains mention uric acid as the cause of the stain.  So if uric acid is normally in urine, are we all, pets and humans, going to end up with kidney issues? What about dehydrated animals?  Concentrated urine would mean higher levels of these chemicals. Of course, then the vets would say feed K/D with all the liver and the high purines.... I'm afraid we'll have a casualty rate like the 1918 flu epidemic, the way these regulators are handling this.  Sorry if I've repeated what others have said; this whole thing is so upsetting.  Angry

Here's some links about Dalmatians and Purines:

http://home.att.net/~hattrick-dals/PreventingUrateStoneFormation.html
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1683&S=0&EVetID=0
http://www.thedca.org/purines.html
http://www.thedca.org/fallacy.html
http://www.thedca.org/genlprev.html
http://www.dalmatians.us/feeding.htm
http://www.britishdalmatianclub.org.uk/health/index.php?action=urinary_stones
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« Reply #707 on: October 03, 2008, 04:20:47 PM »

Elevated uric acid levels can come from foods high in purines, such as liver, certain fish, red wine, etc.  I've seen studies of rats having crystals that were a combination of melamine and uric acid.  Also, those ads for enzyme cleaners for urine stains mention uric acid as the cause of the stain.  So if uric acid is normally in urine, are we all, pets and humans, going to end up with kidney issues? What about dehydrated animals?  Concentrated urine would mean higher levels of these chemicals. Of course, then the vets would say feed K/D with all the liver and the high purines.... I'm afraid we'll have a casualty rate like the 1918 flu epidemic, the way these regulators are handling this.  Sorry if I've repeated what others have said; this whole thing is so upsetting.  Angry

Do you think that in the case of the babies in China, the nitrogen levels, amino acid levels had to be producing more uric acid? Cos other foods wouldn't have been at issue. They've not mentioned cyanuric acid.  It brings it back to scrap melamine with other toxins and impacted by either/ nitrogen levels in the milk or amino acid levels in the milk or both, doesn't it?

ETA: Oh, and one more major factor. The nitrogen compounds in MARC have no nutritional value and the babies had to be starving/very malnourished and their internal systems going haywire using up fat & muscle, etc. to support their food needs.
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« Reply #708 on: October 03, 2008, 04:33:39 PM »

http://www.reuters.com:80/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE4926W220081003

FACTBOX: No safe melamine level found for baby formula
Fri Oct 3, 2008 1:47pm EDT
(Reuters) - No amount of melamine is safe in baby formula, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Friday in an analysis after milk products from China were found to be contaminated. ...
OTHER FOOD PRODUCTS
-- Levels of melamine and related compounds below 2.5 parts per million "do not raise concerns."


Unable to determine safe melamine levels for babies and infants, upon what does the FDA base its conclusion that levels of
melamine for older children and adults "do not raise concerns" at levels of 2.5 parts per million?

What country has offered its babies and infants, older children, teenagers, citizens who are sick or immune system compromised,
elderly population up for study which has allowed the FDA to come to this conclusion regarding melamine risk assessment?
As far as I can tell, none but the unfortunate babies of China, and none would voluntarily become the subject of such a study
to "norm" scientific findings that I'm aware of. This new melamine risk assessment is not adequate either in view of the results
in China unless there's a whole lot of evidence the FDA has that it's not made anyone aware of. Zero tolerance of melamine and
its analogues in food is in the interests of US food consumers' safety at the current level of knowledge.
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« Reply #709 on: October 03, 2008, 04:41:53 PM »

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ETA: Oh, and one more major factor. The nitrogen compounds in MARC have no nutritional value and the babies had to be starving/very malnourished and their internal systems going haywire using up fat & muscle, etc. to support their food needs.

This is what I was wondering during the PFR. How does this false protein in feed and food work? The feed animals obviously hit their weight from maximum product production (greed would prevent otherwise), but they can't be getting what they need, right? Or don't they live long enough for it to be an issue? And what is the value of their protein after slaughter?
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« Reply #710 on: October 03, 2008, 04:44:21 PM »

At this point in time with the US governments failure to issue a total ban on melamine in foods - animal feed, pet food, human foods... I'm thinking the "mostly from China" statement  in the Thailand 2007 report , means another country(ies) has industries that do the same..

The FDA & our government is truly making me think the US industries are also partners of this boost for profit scheme.

Since they protect industries and not consumers, the FDA/USDA and their science make the industries here look guilty as sin

Add in the fact that China is following their rulings and consulting them..not the bans of other countries, they're indicting the industries nd governments  in both China and the US.
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« Reply #711 on: October 03, 2008, 04:54:45 PM »

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hS2ue9qfIBRTN8nQov-E3boHCxTQD93J82HO0

FDA: Tiny bit of melamine OK in most foods
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Tiny traces of melamine, the chemical that has set off a global food safety scare, are not harmful in most foods, except baby formula, government experts said Friday.

The Food and Drug Administration said Friday its safety experts have concluded that eating a minuscule amount of melamine — 2.5 parts per million — would not raise health concerns, even if a person ate food every day that was tainted with the chemical.

"It would be like if you had a million grains of sand and they were all white, and you had two or three that were black, that's kind of the magnitude," said Stephen Sundlof, director of the FDA's food safety program.

The FDA guideline is meant to help federal and state investigators checking for contaminated foods from China at ports of entry and in Asian community groceries around the country. "We are trying to identify products that have levels we are really concerned about, rather than trying to find the last molecule," said Sundlof.

For example, melamine levels in imported Chinese candies recalled last week in California were as high as 520 parts per million, about 200 times greater than the level set on Friday by the FDA for "tolerable" risk.

In China, melamine-tainted formula has sickened more than 54,000 children, mainly with kidney problems, and is being blamed for the deaths of at least four. The industrial chemical has also turned up in products sold across Asia, ranging from candies, to chocolates, to coffee drinks, all of which used dairy ingredients from China.

In the U.S., White Rabbit candies from China were recalled after authorities in California and Connecticut found melamine. And Friday, a New Jersey company announced it was recalling a yogurt-type drink from China, 'Blue Cat Flavor Drink,' after FDA testing found melamine.

No illnesses have been reported in the U.S., but authorities are checking for any telltale increase in reports of kidney problems.

The FDA says infant formula sold here is safe, because manufacturers do not use any ingredients from China. But officials expect more melamine recalls as they continue to test products in ethnic markets.

FDA officials stressed that the melamine risk assessment issued Friday does not mean U.S. authorities will condone foods deliberately spiked with the chemical.

The 2.5 parts-per-million standard is meant to address situations in which the chemical accidentally comes into contact with food. For example, plastic food processing equipment may have been made using melamine, and some of the chemical might find its way into food.

Infant formula sold to U.S. consumers must be completely free of melamine. "There is too much uncertainty to set a level in infant formula and rule out any public health concern," the FDA said.

In China, unscrupulous suppliers appear to have been adding melamine to make watered-down milk seem protein-rich in quality-control tests. That's because melamine is high in nitrogen, as is protein.

Melamine first came to the attention of U.S. consumers last year, when it touched off a massive pet food recall. Chinese suppliers of bulk pet food ingredients were found to have been adding the chemical to artificially boost the protein readings of their products. Thousands of pets here were sickened, and hundreds are believed to have died.

Melamine is harmful to the kidneys. It can cause kidney stones as the body tries to eliminate it, and in extreme cases, life-threatening kidney failure.

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I don't even know where to begin with this press release!  They speak of the 2.5 parts-per-million standard being meant to address situations where melamine accidently came into contact with food?  How often does that happen?  Isn't it more likely that this 2.5 parts-per-million "standard" was meant to address situations where livestock or fish consumed melamine tainted feed that humans end up ingesting when those meats/fish end up on dinner tables?  I don't understand why the FDA does not seem as concerned as the food saftey agencies from other countries.  Shouldn't we be turning this stuff away at the borders?

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« Reply #712 on: October 03, 2008, 04:58:37 PM »

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ETA: Oh, and one more major factor. The nitrogen compounds in MARC have no nutritional value and the babies had to be starving/very malnourished and their internal systems going haywire using up fat & muscle, etc. to support their food needs.

This is what I was wondering during the PFR. How does this false protein in feed and food work? The feed animals obviously hit their weight from maximum product production (greed would prevent otherwise), but they can't be getting what they need, right? Or don't they live long enough for it to be an issue? And what is the value of their protein after slaughter?

Straybaby, it is my understanding that ruminants can use NPN--although I think it is a bad idea from my holistic view.

http://agriculture.kzntl.gov.za/portal/AgricPublications/ProductionGuidelines/DairyinginKwaZuluNatal/RuminantDigestion/tabid/247/Default.aspx

Digestion of protein

Dietary protein, like dietary carbohydrates, is fermented by rumen microbes. The majority of true protein, and non-protein nitrogen (NPN), entering the rumen is broken down to ammonia, which bacteria require for synthesizing their own body protein. Ammonia is most efficiently incorporated into bacterial protein when the diet is rich in soluble carbohydrates, particularly starch. Ammonia, in excess of that used by the micro-organisms, is absorbed through the rumen wall into the blood, carried to the liver, and converted to urea, the greater part is excreted in the urine. Some urea is returned to the rumen via the saliva, and also directly through the rumen wall.

The undegraded true protein fraction, plus the microbial protein, passes from the rumen to the abomasum, where it is digested, and absorbed into the bloodstream through the walls of the small intestine.
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This explanation is even better, ADM tells us how and why:

http://www.admani.com/AllianceBeef/TechnicalEdge/Ruminant%20Feed%20Microbes.htm
Protein
Microbial fermentation has a large impact on the protein nutrition of the ruminant. Protein in feedstuffs fed to ruminants is usually described as ruminally degradable (or available) or undegradable (or bypass or escape). The undegradable portion passes through the rumen and into the lower tract “as is” where it is digested and used by the ruminant. The quality of the protein (amino acids profile) is important in these feeds because they directly impact the ruminant. A portion of the protein component (rumen degradable) of feedstuffs is broken down by microbes and incorporated into their own bodies. Microbes break down protein into amino acids, which are then split apart into ammonia and “carbon skeletons.” Carbon skeletons are often utilized as energy, while nitrogen from ammonia is used by microbes to form amino acids and proteins for its own growth and reproduction.

Microbes can effectively utilize non-protein nitrogen sources (such as biuret and urea, which are ammonia sources) because they have the enzymes and other metabolic machinery to build amino acids and proteins from ammonia. The process of degrading and rebuilding proteins has positive and negative consequences for the ruminant. On the negative side, not all of the ammonia released from feedstuffs is captured by microbes. Ammonia can escape through the rumen wall into the blood stream, and eventually pass into the urine and voided. The amount of ammonia lost can be minimized by proper ration balancing (i.e. formulating rations based on microbe and ruminant needs, which will minimize the amount of excess ammonia). Another negative aspect is the potential for ammonia poisoning, which can occur when too much ammonia passes from the rumen into the blood stream. The potential for ammonia poisoning can be avoided with proper feed management and diet formulation. On the positive side, protein built by microbes for their own use is relatively high quality and provides solid protein nutrition to the ruminant when microbes pass into the small intestine. The added perk is that this high-quality microbial protein can be built from NPN sources. The ability of ruminants to effectively utilize NPN enables more cost-effective protein supplementation.
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« Reply #713 on: October 03, 2008, 05:16:59 PM »

"It would be like if you had a million grains of sand and they were all white, and you had two or three that were black, that's kind of the magnitude," said Stephen Sundlof, director of the FDA's food safety program.

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I think Sundlof has been out in the sun too long!!!   His analogy is alarmingly oversimplified.  And most consumers will not be any the wiser until the truth reaches them--or the kidney stones.  The analogy doesn't take interactions into account or multiple sources.  Or the fact that we are a nation of overeaters... Or how about the amount of food eaten by quickly growing children....or all of the uncertainty glaringly obvious in the FDA's Safety?Huh Assessment and delayed Peer Review. 

Oh, and one more thing, it also fails to take into account that the FDA is not testing all of the imports or testing the "food" for sale in our grocery stores.  Who, besides the Divine,  can number the grains of sand without actually taking a sample and counting?
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« Reply #714 on: October 03, 2008, 05:18:33 PM »

Thanks DMS! I forgot they had different guts than us! I tend to go on info overload and forget what I learned in the past {sigh}
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Do you think that in the case of the babies in China, the nitrogen levels, amino acid levels had to be producing more uric acid? Cos other foods wouldn't have been at issue. They've not mentioned cyanuric acid.

I've been reading that increased consumption of fructose increases production of uric acid, and can cause kidney stones. http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/results.php?storyarticle=5586.
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« Reply #716 on: October 03, 2008, 05:23:54 PM »

Mail campaign:

The Honorable Andrew C. von Eschenbach, M.D.
Commissioner
United States Food and Drug Administration
Parklawn Building/Mail Code: HF-1
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Rockville, MD 20856

Send Dr. von Eschenbach Halloween candy, packets of Pizza Hut cheese, non-dairy coffee creamer
with the words
"Trick or Chinese Treat" on the envelope

You know, kind of like the poop bags sent during the pet food recall of 2007 Wink - I'm just about fed up enough.
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« Reply #717 on: October 03, 2008, 05:25:51 PM »

Thanks DMS! I forgot they had different guts than us! I tend to go on info overload and forget what I learned in the past {sigh}

I do, too.  It would be nice if the FDA would do their own job and provide the people and animals with healthy, wholesome, uncontaminated food!  And medicines that don't make us sicker or die.
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« Reply #718 on: October 03, 2008, 05:27:13 PM »

"It would be like if you had a million grains of sand and they were all white, and you had two or three that were black, that's kind of the magnitude," said Stephen Sundlof, director of the FDA's food safety program.

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I think Sundlof has been out in the sun too long!!!   His analogy is too overly simplistic.  And most consumers will not be any the wiser until the truth reaches them--or the kidney stones. 

It would be nice if he would continue on and say that all the black ones grow and reproduce in crystal form. Soon you have pebbles in your sand . . . .  Also, at 10 fold, that's 25 grains of sand. In up to 50% of your daily intake. How's the math workin' for ya now? Oh, wait, that's assuming you haven't consumed any product that didn't get inspected in that whooping 1% and you didn't get 500+ pieces of sand, which turns into crystals which turns into pebbles.

Ya know, I getting pretty freaking angry right now. I know what a hundred stones looks like. The Dal I rescued had a bladder full. They gave me one tube and the other was sent out for testing . . . think peppercorns and a bit larger folks. And we all know kidney stones can get much larger. Is there a growth maximum on melamine stones?!
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« Reply #719 on: October 03, 2008, 05:43:12 PM »

Just found this personal post from RP, which I conclude is the Republic of the Phillippines from the BFAD entry. This is an
Oct. 3 post from a mother there complete with pictures of her children. Nissin is a Japanese food manufacturer. Cause is
not clear here, but if it is tainted milk ingredients, I am now fed up:

http://gloriaresign.wordpress.com:80/2008/10/03/close-call/
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