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« Reply #315 on: September 21, 2008, 03:40:29 PM » |
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Anybody a member of consumer labs?
Maybe they'll pick this up and test.
Cos we've got Nestle quoted as saying there is no melamine in theirs , then the test saying there is and Nestle saying that's ok , just a small amount.
Maybe not to consumers...
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« Reply #316 on: September 21, 2008, 03:47:07 PM » |
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Here's a list of Nestle products A - Z: http://www.nestleusa.com/PubOurBrands/Brands.aspxI think we should also report any products of any brand made with milk/milk derivatives/vegetable proteins that are missing from stores. I just noticed that cottage cheese has whey protein concentrate in it...  |
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If you ate today, thank a farmer, hopefully a small, local farmer.
Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food.
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« Reply #317 on: September 21, 2008, 03:50:39 PM » |
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Think major corporations involved in 2007 pet food recalls, suppliers of the same type. Big-box retailer we all know and major chain store brands like Kroger and Wegman's packaged under private label were the biggest; right? Then we know Kraft and General Mills are involved with Fonterra (1/3 international dairy trade) here in the US. You'll need two examples of the smallest sized product you can find, one for initial testing, and second for possible repeat confirmatory testing unopened preferrably with the same production codes and best by dates. Some really good ideas have come forward. Please keep sending. I have no ability to get to a Wegman's. And, yes, by all means report sudden shortages as perhaps silent recalls. Frozen and/or refrigerated are difficult and costly to transport for testing. Think products already reported for recall in Asia. Purchase on a separate receipt, make sure you can read the receipt, and absolutely save the purchase receipt. Thanks purringfur on Nestle brands. Carnation Instant Breakfast gets my vote. Wondered what the heck was in the lumpy stuff for years. |
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« Reply #319 on: September 21, 2008, 05:04:38 PM » |
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Here's an aside......... In the link from yl, it said how LL Bean is opening up a retail store in Beijing  That's not to say they won't start using the factories over there to get their wares sent to the US. I'm done with LLBean............... Sorry about the deviation. |
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« Reply #320 on: September 21, 2008, 05:06:39 PM » |
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yl, I get 404 page not found error on second link -- found on search (fromm above has one too many m's): http://www.chinaretailnews.com/2008/09/18/1492-milk-powder-products-from-22-chinese-companies-contain-melamine/Contaminated products found in the tests include baby milk powder products produced by Shijiazhuang Sanlu Group, Shanghai Panda Dairy, Qingdao Shengyuan Dairy, Shanxi Gu Cheng Dairy, Jiangxi Guangming Yingxiong Dairy, Baoji Huimin Dairy, Inner Mongolia Mengniu Dairy, Torador Dairy Industry (Tianjin), Guangdong Yashili Group, Hunan Peiyi Dairy, Heilongjiang Qilin Dairy, Shanxi Yashili Dairy, Shenzhen Jinbishi Milk, Scient (Guangzhou) Infant Nutrition, Guangzhou Jinding Dairy Products Factory, Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group, Yantai Ausmeadow Nutriment, Qingdao Suncare Nutritional Technology, Xi'an Baiyue Dairy, Yantai Leilei Dairy, Shanghai Baoanli Dairy, and Fuding Chenguan Dairy. As to Feihe, the stock is going up, does business in China, brands cleared, registered in US, but otherwise I'm lost. |
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« Reply #321 on: September 21, 2008, 05:15:42 PM » |
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I fixed the link ! Sorry folks. I found both links interesting . The second one also has an article on Nestle and price increase. The first link mentions Nestle as a large dairy producer in china.
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« Reply #322 on: September 21, 2008, 05:18:55 PM » |
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Got it, yl. Thanks. Makes Nestle products here worth looking at.
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« Reply #323 on: September 21, 2008, 05:19:23 PM » |
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http://www.nestle.com/MediaCenter/PressReleases/AllPressReleases/No+melamine+adulteration.htm there is a safe amount of melamine to ingest in EU and US standards? Can't wait to see how they answer my email from Thursday...will post it when I get it..
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« Reply #324 on: September 21, 2008, 05:23:37 PM » |
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From Carol's link, and heard before, this from Nestle:
In general terms, melamine is found throughout the food chain across the world in minute traces which do not represent any health risk for consumers. There is a generally accepted tolerable daily intake of melamine in food in the EU (0.5mg/kg of body weight/day) and in the US (0.63mg/kg of body weight/day). The lowest level of melamine traces which can be measured by commonly-used testing equipment (2 ppm) is 20 times below these internationally-recognised safety limits. In other words, based on this 2 ppm value, a three year-old child would have to consume over 40 litres of milk every day to exceed these safety limits.
Must be the dilution factor ... What if you eat a combined diet of several of these products, and some have more melamine than others?
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« Reply #325 on: September 21, 2008, 05:25:43 PM » |
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there is a safe amount of melamine to ingest in EU and US standards? Carol Apparently there is a "safe" amount to ingest. The question is the ones who determine this, do they ingest any?? Remember when the FDA was testing this stuff, last year?? They wore masks (with filters), gloves, and would not allow pregnant women near it hmmmmmmmmmm safe huh db |
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« Reply #326 on: September 21, 2008, 05:28:10 PM » |
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I wonder what happens when the allowable minimum detection level of melamine is ingested and combines with the allowable minimum detection level of cyanuric acid??? |
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« Reply #327 on: September 21, 2008, 05:38:56 PM » |
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I have 2 unopened boxes of Nestle cocoa mix,different codes & dates though. No receipt,I got them monthes ago before I started saving every grocery receipt. I might be able to document when & where from my Acme shoppers card. I bought them there on the $ sale.
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« Reply #328 on: September 21, 2008, 05:42:25 PM » |
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I wonder what happens when the allowable minimum detection level of melamine is ingested and combines with the allowable minimum detection level of cyanuric acid??? That is always the big question, combinations and cumulative effects. Unfortunately, long term studies and combination studies are usually not done. Either funding issues or lack of interest on the part of those that do the studies. So in essence we become the test subjects, and after years of ingestion some conclusions can be made. or basically we are the friggin guinea pigs db |
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« Reply #329 on: September 21, 2008, 05:44:30 PM » |
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The statement said the girl drank two to three cups of low-fat milk made by Chinese dairy Yili every day for the past 15 months Diagnosis: kidney stone.
Nestle press release says: The lowest level of melamine traces which can be measured by commonly-used testing equipment (2 ppm). Aren't there indications in other news reports of amounts detected below one, as in 0.6, etc?
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