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« Reply #150 on: September 15, 2008, 10:50:52 PM »

What does it say if a country can just go right ahead and poison their own babies? How long before that happens here with some company just out to make a quick buck and tries something similar IMO. How can these people look themselves in the mirror and not feel anything or care at all? So sad, very sad.
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« Reply #151 on: September 16, 2008, 03:17:54 AM »

tripolycyanamide aka melamine?? [also try "tripoly cyanamide" & "cyanamide" & "n-tri-cyantriamide" ]

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Cyanamide

CYANAMIDE, NC NH 2j the amide of normal cyanic acid, obtained by the action of ammonia on cyanogen chloride, bromide or iodide, or by the desulphurization of thio-urea with, mercuric oxide; it is generally prepared by the latter process. It forms white crystals, which melt at 40° C., and are readily soluble in water, alcohol and ether. Heated above its melting point it polymerizes to di-cyandiamide (CN2H2)2, which at 150° C. is transformed into the polymer n-tri-cyantriamide or melamine (CN 2 H 2) 3, the mass solidifying.

Somehow,  I don't think that quite relates to what we researched as "melamine"  & that might be the answer to some of our questions.... I'll look later, but maybe somebody else can get to research that quicker... Did the cooking temperature of the pet foods impact this adulteration?

That, tripolycyanamide, is what the brother said he put in the milk. Wasn't that liquid when he put it in??? Does this lead to answers about the other colored particles found when they were researching the melamine contamination of pet food? [I emailed Barbara Powers & William Burkholder to ask about this]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/16/china.formula/

Investigators said the brothers -- surnamed Geng and residents of the city of Shijiazhuang -- confessed to watering down the raw milk and mixing in tripolycyanamide, also known as melamine. They said they did it to recover losses suffered when the factory rejected earlier milk shipments, the paper reported.

The paper quotes the reaction of one brother, age 48, when asked if thought about the consequences of adding melamine.

"I've never asked and never thought about it," he said. "I only know it's bad for health."


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-09/16/content_10034427.htm

In November 2007, Ma purchased around 200 kg of the chemical melamine. He then mixed it with fresh milk purchased from individual cow owners and resold it to Sanlu Group.

Melamine is not water soluble is it?Huh So the heating/processing turned it into melamine?
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« Reply #152 on: September 16, 2008, 04:07:12 AM »

http://www.3news.co.nz/News/BusinessNews/ChinesemilkpoisoningsnowimpactingFonterrasownbrand/tabid/421/articleID/71785/cat/52/Default.aspx

Dairy giant Fonterra says its own Chinese business - separate to the Sanlu joint venture which has poisoned thousands of babies - has announced a voluntary recall of one batch of its Anmum Materna milk.

"This particular batch had been manufactured and distributed under licence by Sanlu using what we believe to be contaminated local raw milk,"' the company said tonight.

Anmum is one of Fonterra's most valuable brands in Asia, along with Anlene, and the Materna milk is intended for consumption by pregnant women. Fonterra China said in a statement issued in Auckland that the stock was being recalled because consumer safety was the company's "utmost concern".

The company said all its other Anmum and Anlene products had been produced using only milk imported from New Zealand and were free from any possibility of contamination with melamine from locally sourced milk.

A company spokesman said the batch of Anmum Materna was distributed in China but not Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan. "None of the batch in question was exported out of China," said Fonterra.

The local Department of Health said that some people in Taiwan may have already consumed processed foods and beverages that were made with 50 bags, or 1250kg of the melamine milkpowder.

Of the total 1000 bags imported, 564 bags have been seized, and Fonterra sold another 434 bags to food processors to be used as an ingredient in cakes, calcium tablets, creams and beverages. The remaining two bags were used by distributors as samples.
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« Reply #153 on: September 16, 2008, 04:49:12 AM »

"Of the total 1000 bags imported, 564 bags have been seized, and Fonterra sold another 434 bags to food processors to be used as an ingredient in cakes, calcium tablets, creams and beverages. The remaining two bags were used by distributors as samples."

Do I understand that 434 bags are still out there or have been used to make other products.  I never thought of calcium tablets...  Are these finished products made overseas and shipped here by chance?  I do NOT want to hear the phrase "dilution factor" again.

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« Reply #154 on: September 16, 2008, 04:55:16 AM »

tripolycyanamide aka melamine?? [also try "tripoly cyanamide" & "cyanamide" & "n-tri-cyantriamide" ]

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Cyanamide

CYANAMIDE, NC NH 2j the amide of normal cyanic acid, obtained by the action of ammonia on cyanogen chloride, bromide or iodide, or by the desulphurization of thio-urea with, mercuric oxide; it is generally prepared by the latter process. It forms white crystals, which melt at 40° C., and are readily soluble in water, alcohol and ether. Heated above its melting point it polymerizes to di-cyandiamide (CN2H2)2, which at 150° C. is transformed into the polymer n-tri-cyantriamide or melamine (CN 2 H 2) 3, the mass solidifying.

Somehow,  I don't think that quite relates to what we researched as "melamine"  & that might be the answer to some of our questions.... I'll look later, but maybe somebody else can get to research that quicker... Did the cooking temperature of the pet foods impact this adulteration?

That, tripolycyanamide, is what the brother said he put in the milk. Wasn't that liquid when he put it in??? Does this lead to answers about the other colored particles found when they were researching the melamine contamination of pet food? [I emailed Barbara Powers & William Burkholder to ask about this]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/16/china.formula/

Investigators said the brothers -- surnamed Geng and residents of the city of Shijiazhuang -- confessed to watering down the raw milk and mixing in tripolycyanamide, also known as melamine. They said they did it to recover losses suffered when the factory rejected earlier milk shipments, the paper reported.

The paper quotes the reaction of one brother, age 48, when asked if thought about the consequences of adding melamine.

"I've never asked and never thought about it," he said. "I only know it's bad for health."


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-09/16/content_10034427.htm

In November 2007, Ma purchased around 200 kg of the chemical melamine. He then mixed it with fresh milk purchased from individual cow owners and resold it to Sanlu Group.

Melamine is not water soluble is it?Huh So the heating/processing turned it into melamine?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/business/worldbusiness/30food.html?_r=3&sq=melamine&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=3&adxnnlx=1221342332-20CvEenwxwZxMufhgci2jA

New York Times April 30, 2007
Filler in Animal Feed Is Open Secret in China

"He said he was not currently using melamine. But he then pulled out a plastic bag containing what he said was melamine powder and said he could dye it any color to match the right feed stock."

http://chemicalland21.com/industrialchem/organic/Melamine.htm

PHYSICAL STATE white, crystalline powder.
 
MELTING POINT  345 C (Decomposes)
BOILING POINT 
 
SPECIFIC GRAVITY  1.573 

SOLUBILITY IN WATER slightly
 
pH 
 
VAPOR DENSITY  4.3

AUTOIGNITION  500 C
 
REFRACTIVE INDEX
 
NFPA RATINGS
   
FLASH POINT 
 
STABILITY Stable under ordinary conditions

It would seem that if this was added to fresh milk before it was made into powder, they had to get it to liquify.
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« Reply #155 on: September 16, 2008, 05:26:09 AM »

More news:

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLmS_IYOSFJkM4bmP9OKEPpUxdyA

AFP September 16, 2008
Two more arrested in China milk scandal: state press

"Police in Hebei province arrested two people who confessed to adding the industrial chemical melamine to milk and stepped up an investigation of the Sanlu Group, packagers of the product, Xinhua news agency said.

"The report quoted one of the suspects, a milk dealer surnamed Zhao, as saying he added melamine to eliminate a "strange smell" in milk from his cows.

""Someone told me if melamine is added, it will not only dispel the strange smell of the milk, but will also drive up the protein content in the milk," he said.

"Four people have been formally arrested in the scandal, which has killed two babies so far.

"Those arrested included two brothers surnamed Geng, while 22 others have been detained for questioning, it said.

"More arrests are expected, Xinhua quoted police officials as saying."



http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUST2288620080916

Reuters September 16, 2008

China worries about long-term effects of bad milk



http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/china/sanlu-milk-victims-4294.html

EpochTimes September 15, 2008

Contaminated Milk Victims May Reach 30,000

"The Xinhuanet’s September 13 issue indicated that based on Sanlu Group’s announcement, approximately 700 tons of contaminated milk powder was on the market.

"The report states that based on a five-month circulation if each infant consumed 3,600 kg per month, victims will exceed 30,000."
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« Reply #156 on: September 16, 2008, 05:40:11 AM »

This is breaking news-

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLmS_IYOSFJkM4bmP9OKEPpUxdyA

AFP September 16, 2008

More Chinese baby milk powder brands contaminated: state TV

"A chemical blamed for killing two infants in China has been found in 69 brands of baby milk powder nationwide, state television said on Tuesday, in a potential dramatic escalation of the scandal.

"The government has ordered a halt to the sale of the 69 brands tainted with the chemical melamine, said the report by state-run CCTV, adding the products were made by 22 different companies".

Have not seen a list of the names of the 69 brands they're reporting contaminated.
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« Reply #157 on: September 16, 2008, 05:49:51 AM »

Given how many edible products we import from China to the US, I sincerely hope the FDA is doing a thorough investigation into possible contaminated foods/pills/powders behind the scenes.  And that they'll tell us about their findings very soon.
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« Reply #158 on: September 16, 2008, 06:04:22 AM »

why is this all so familiar?Huh Angry

ditto... Angry Angry Angry
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« Reply #159 on: September 16, 2008, 06:59:55 AM »

More Breaking News re: melamine-

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPYE0JvTLHQA&refer=home

Bloomberg September 16, 2008

China Milk Scandal Widens With Melamine Found in Yogurt Bars

"China's tainted milk scandal widened as regulators said they found melamine in products of a second dairy company, after infant formula contaminated by the chemical was linked to 1,253 cases of infant kidney stones, killing two.

"Wellcome, a supermarket chain owned by Dairy Farm International Holdings Ltd., said it will stop selling ice cream made by Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group after the chemical was found in a sample, according to a statement sent by e-mail late today.

"The discovery in Hong Kong and in a second company's products of the crystalline compound, which can make the protein level in dairy products appear higher than it is, boosts concerns that contamination may be widespread. Chinese authorities are investigating all dairy companies in the mainland market as the official Xinhua News Agency said contaminated milk made by Sanlu Group Co. sickened children.

"Officials at Yili, China's largest maker of dairy products, weren't immediately available for comment today after calls to three different numbers after office hours.

`Natural Choice' Yogurt

"Hong Kong's Food and Environmental Hygiene Department found melamine in Yili's ``Natural Choice Yogurt Ice-bar with Real Fruit,'' Wellcome said in its statement. The supermarket operator said it will stop selling all Yili brand ice cream as a precaution.


"Other products made by the dairy company will still be for sale, according to Annie Sin, Wellcome's marketing and communication manager. Wellcome had sold Yili ice cream products in some of its more than 250 stores in Hong Kong, Sin said."
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« Reply #160 on: September 16, 2008, 07:05:47 AM »

Whoa - it's almost like you could take all the 2007 pet food recall news articles and replace the words "pet food" with "dairy products".  I'm trying to think where we are going next:  companies recalling products that they "didn't know" the melamine contaminated ingredients were being added to by the manufacturers? 
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« Reply #161 on: September 16, 2008, 01:55:15 PM »

Four hundred thirty-four bags were sold to food producers.   Already, the authorities must know to what food manufacturers those other 434 bags were sold and in what types of foods/pills/mixes the concoction was to be used.  And, they must know what brand names are affected.

Since awareness of the problem started in March, unless food producers ordered way, way in advance to stock up on this "milk powder," I'd assume that whatever other products this was used in have already been manufactured and put on store shelves.

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« Reply #162 on: September 16, 2008, 02:15:17 PM »

More news-

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSSP23492320080916

Probe shows China milk scandal widens
Reuters September 16, 2008

"Almost 20 percent of Chinese dairy firms probed in the wake of a baby milk health scare have been found to have produced melamine-tainted formula, state media reported.

"The results of a government-led probe announced on Tuesday showed that out of 109 dairy producers checked, 22 had been found to have produced batches of milk contaminated with melamine.

"State television, citing China's quality watchdog, said as well as the Sanlu Group, offending companies included Beijing Olympic Games supplier Yili and other major brands".



http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hLmS_IYOSFJkM4bmP9OKEPpUxdyA

AFP September 16, 2008

More Chinese baby milk powder brands contaminated: state TV

"The 22 companies mentioned by CCTV included Torador Dairy Industry, a China-Australia joint venture in the northern city of Tianjian. Calls to Torador on Tuesday evening went unanswered.

"The companies affected also included Guangdong Yashili Group, the report said, adding that the firm has exported its products to Bangladesh, Myanmar and Yemen.

"However, it added that tests of the Yashili products made for export had shown no melamine traces."
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« Reply #163 on: September 16, 2008, 02:24:06 PM »

I am so afraid this is just the beginning of a long list of "where it went"!! This is the same thing we went through last year...all because of greed...when the risk outweighs the benefit...that is when it may stop..I hope... Cry
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« Reply #164 on: September 16, 2008, 02:40:12 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization
Pasteurization typically uses temperatures below boiling since at temperatures above the boiling point for milk, casein micelles will irreversibly aggregate (or "curdle"). There are two main types of pasteurization used today: High Temperature/Short Time (HTST) and Extended Shelf Life (ESL) treatment. Ultra-high temperature (UHT or ultra-heat treated) is also used for milk treatment. In the HTST process, milk is forced between metal plates or through pipes heated on the outside by hot water, and is heated to 71.7 °C (161 °F) for 15-20 seconds. UHT processing holds the milk at a temperature of 138 °C (250 °F) for a fraction of a second. ESL milk has a microbial filtration step and lower temperatures than HTST.[1] Milk simply labeled "pasteurisation " is usually treated with the HTST method, whereas milk labeled "ultra-pasteurization " or simply "UHT" has been treated with the UHT method

http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/concprod.html
Dried Dairy Products
Milk Powder
Milk used in the production of milk powders is first clarified, standardized and then given a heat treatment. This heat treatment is usually more severe than that required for pasteurization. Besides destroying all the pathogenic and most of the spoilage microorganisms, it also inactivates the enzyme lipase which could cause lipolysis during storage. The milk is then evaporated prior to drying


What could be the effects of these heating processes on triazine compounds mixed in the milk, then pasteurized or dried?
Probably a stupid question, but not my first.
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