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« Reply #1215 on: October 29, 2008, 03:59:01 PM » |
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http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/melamra.htmlAPPENDIX II Swine and Poultry Exposure Assessment May 24, 2007 I think this is it, straybaby. However, there are so many assumptions made to arrive at their figures of "safety" that I don't think I can follow them all. It's interesting to note that the FDA found contamination in meat and feed in 2007, and think there's an egg in there mentioned at 4.5 ppm, but it was still "safe" to pump this stuff into the US food supply. I'd need a scientist to unravel it. I don't recall the FDA saying one word about the melamine content of eggs in 2007. The only thing I'm gathering is that other countries in the world don't think it's so safe or the UN would not be asking for a report on feed and Hong Kong wouldn't be testing (?) Maybe this isn't new news? 3-egg omlets [at 14.1 or thereabouts] just dropped off my menu, along with sausage or ham, a piece of toast, and nice glass of milk -- yikes
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« Reply #1216 on: October 29, 2008, 04:25:53 PM » |
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Picked this link up off of ScienceBlogs: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/460.htmlBackground Mike Mozart is a product designer who also runs a video blog about new developments in the toy industry.
His reviews are normally light, cheerful affairs and completely apolitical.
If he appears distraught, it's because he is. This is serious.
Mozart has discovered that the US is the ONLY country that still permits potentially melamine-contaminated food on its shelves. Even China has removed these products from its stores. |
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"The days of the fox guarding the henhouse, with corporate lobbyists writing the laws that regulate their industries, must end."*Brent Blackwelder, Friends of the Earth, Sept. 22, 2008
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« Reply #1217 on: October 29, 2008, 04:44:51 PM » |
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3-egg omelets . . .{sigh} why the [edited] can't the FDA get a clue that someone might feed a kid a couple eggs, muffins that were made with a mix that contains a dairy powder etc? I realize that at this point in time, they don't think we can eat enough of it even if we eat it with every meal everyday, but give me a freakin' break here! They don't know how much is in our freakin food because they aren't looking for it!! Sending a letter IS NOT FOOD SAFETY.
I REMEMBER ALL THOSE ASSUMPTIONS THEY WERE MAKING AND THEY ARE STILL USING THEM OBVIOUSLY.
oops! sorry for the caps! They also based their model on a 130plus person. Sorry, but some of us are still in the child size range (I can wear youth t-shirts!), some folks are elderly, some folks have health issues and some folks have all of the above. The assumption that everyone weighs enough and has perfectly functioning bodies is absurd, especially because they don't know what the long term effects of different levels of exposure on perfectly weighted functioning bodies are.
I need a drink.
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« Reply #1218 on: October 29, 2008, 05:29:27 PM » |
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Cheers, Offy and straybaby, I think the seriousness is creeping out there into public
awarness. If there's more on youtube, please post it. It takes me 20 minutes to download
and look at one minute of youtube. So every little press bit helps.
The FDA does know, btw, I think. It's politics, trade, and money that may be keeping a lid on.
Depending on what Hong Kong finds, I believe China may have run out of excuses and meaningless
apologies and empty promises.
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« Reply #1219 on: October 30, 2008, 03:29:53 AM » |
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I think that there are a lot of pet food companies that need to start publishing their Melamine Cyanurate test results.. not just Melamine, but Cyanuric Acid too The other shoe might have just fallen... http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/10/30/asia/AS-China-Tainted-Food.phpBEIJING: Animal feed producers in China commonly add the industrial chemical melamine to their products to make them appear higher in protein, state media reported Thursday, an indication that the scope of the country's latest food safety scandal could extend beyond milk and eggs.
The practice of mixing melamine into animal feed is an "open secret" in the industry, the Nanfang Daily newspaper reported in an article that was republished on the Web sites of the official Xinhua News Agency and the Communist Party mouthpiece People's Daily.
Publicizing such a problem is rare in the Chinese media and appears to be a tacit admission by China's central government that melamine contamination is widespread.
It is forbidden to deliberately add melamine to food and animal feed, but its apparent prevalence highlights the inability of authorities to keep the food production process clean of toxins despite official vows to raise safety standards.Unfortunately, lip service was also extended last year to be the predominant safety feature of the U S Government Agencies & Industries , as well as China's, when it comes to food safety for humans and animals. The only thing they seem to be trying to control is panic from telling the masses the truth about food.. and the current MelaMilk scandal proves that our tax dollars that are being used to support the food safety agencies and the tax breaks to the corporations are being used to betray the people.And, to not insult China or take one dollar away from Industries in the US that are "trusted" to provide safe food. It's okay to insult and sicken/kill American citizens and animals ?? That appears to be the bottom line of the truth about food safety? The other thing is that it's getting really hard to tell our government from China's.. Did the politicians redefine "democracy" in the process? I've got to look at the map and see if I'm still in America... cos it sure doesn't feel that way. |
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"The days of the fox guarding the henhouse, with corporate lobbyists writing the laws that regulate their industries, must end."*Brent Blackwelder, Friends of the Earth, Sept. 22, 2008
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« Reply #1220 on: October 30, 2008, 08:25:43 AM » |
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From Offy's post: "Chemical plants used to pay companies to treat and dispose of excess melamine, but about five years ago began selling it to manufacturers who repackaged it as "protein powder," the Nanfang Daily report said, citing an unnamed chemical industry expert. Melamine is high in nitrogen, and most protein tests test for nitrogen levels. The inexpensive powder was first used to give the impression of higher protein levels in aquatic feed, then later in feed for livestock and poultry, the report said. " The effect far more exceeds the milk powder scandal," the newspaper said" Those larger "dropped shoes" would include Chinese beef, lamb, pork, chicken, all types of farmed fish, and any food products derived from livestock, poutry, and fish and all Chinese milk products. Add in all Chinese vegetable products that could have been sprayed with melamine-degrading pesticides. The Chinese food products smuggled into the US as something other than food. The industrial-grade Chinese milk protein concentrates imported into the US and not even included by the FDA as products needing regulation. I would think that's pretty close to 100 percent of all Chinese food imports into the US that are probably/possibly contaminated with melamine ... Not here in the USA you think? I believe it's just not being looked for: http://ap.google.com:80/article/ALeqM5gKnKSn2RJcwce1BbdtdWmhkaBTnQD9441Q7G0China investigates tainted eggs in new food scare
By GILLIAN WONG – 1 day ago
BEIJING (AP) — Chinese authorities said Wednesday they were investigating how eggs came to be contaminated
with the same industrial chemical at the center of a milk scandal that sickened thousands of babies, as more tainted
eggs turned up in Hong Kong and the mainland.
China's fresh eggs are mainly exported to the Chinese territories of Hong Kong and Macau, while processed egg
products are also sold to Japan and the U.S., according to a February egg market report on the Agriculture Ministry's
Web site, the latest available report.
The Hong Kong government said late Tuesday that tests on a second batch of eggs, processed by Jingshan
Pengchang Agricultural Product Co. of China's central Hubei province, also found an excessive amount of melamine.
The Hong Kong eggs from Jingshan contained melamine with a concentration of 2.9 parts per million. The legal limit
for melamine in foodstuffs in Hong Kong is 2.5 parts per million.
The Hong Kong-tested Hanwei eggs contained 4.7 ppm of melamine.
Authorities in the eastern Chinese city of Hangzhou meanwhile found melamine in eggs produced by a Shanxi company,
the official Hangzhou Daily newspaper reported.
It was unclear how the chemical got into eggs. But a Chinese agriculture official, Wang Zhicai, was quoted by the Beijing
News newspaper Tuesday saying it was highly likely that melamine had been added to the feed given to the chickens
that laid the eggs. Melamine is not an animal feed additive and is banned from being mixed in, Wang said. |
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« Reply #1221 on: October 30, 2008, 08:50:28 AM » |
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From 3cat: "What would you have to feed a chicken in terms of melamine to get the eggs up above the 2.5 ppm "safe" level
to Hong Kong's reported 4.7 ppm?"
Good point, 3cat. Their feed, if it is just the feed... probably drinking run-off water from crop land (fertilized with melamine) used to grow their chicken feed as well. Or drinking river water which is heavily contaminated with the melamine run-off. I don't recall the name of the parent chemical name of which melamine is a part... you know what I mean...
Do we import chicken feed and other animal feeds from China?
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Thank you all for posting these enlightening articles. I'm just popping in and out for a few days. There's so much to read here. Again, thanks for alerting us. Our gov't is sure publicizing very little about what we're doing here to keep the food supply safe.
So, we have DIRECT ADULTERATION with melamine AND INDIRECT, so to speak, by feeding animals (plants/vegetables) adulterated feed or fertilizer (melamine based) which comes out in animal products and is taken up by vegetables' root systems.
The %#&@^s have poisoned EVERY FOOD GROUP! Those who turned away from mela-meat in April 2007 and transformed into full or partial vegetarians are not safe either! Protein powder, eggs, fish...
Something disturbing: What is this "international level" of 2.5 mg? Huh? It should be ZERO!
Thanks again for keeping us informed.
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Buy local. Buy organic.
If you ate today, thank a farmer, hopefully a small, local farmer.
Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food.
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« Reply #1222 on: October 30, 2008, 09:10:08 AM » |
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cross-posting: From Carol: http://itchmoforums.com/recall-nonpet-food/chinese-eggs-found-tainted-with-excessive-melamine-t6747.0.html;msg96268#msg96268IMO the government of China, multinational food manufacturers, and the US FDA continued to thumb their noses at food safety for the American consumer by their inaction on Chinese food imports and products ... There is not enough of a safety net in place and operating in the USA. At least Congress could give the US consumer the minimum protection of a Chinese sourced ingredients statement on the label. Consumer votes on purchasing would do the rest ... See how simple it would be to make a basic start at tackling this problem? Our economy is already a shambles. So is the US food safety system. Economics the consumer can survive. Renal failure, however, from all the accumulated exposures to poison is another question. |
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« Reply #1226 on: October 30, 2008, 10:01:30 AM » |
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/30/asia/china.php9 families sue Chinese milk company By Edward Wong Published: October 30, 2008 BEIJING: Nine families with babies suffering kidney problems, allegedly because of contaminated milk, have filed separate lawsuits against one of China's largest milk companies, according to lawyers representing the families. They are the latest lawsuits to be filed in China's worst food safety scandal in years. The lawsuits were filed on Wednesday in the northern city of Shijiazhuang, the location of the headquarters of Sanlu Group, a company at the center of the milk scandal. The lawsuits demand compensation from Sanlu. The milk scandal and the lawsuits have become politically sensitive matters, and so far no judge has agreed to hear a case in court. At least three other lawsuits had already been filed before Wednesday
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« Reply #1227 on: October 30, 2008, 10:06:56 AM » |
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http://www.taiwanheadlines.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=139233&CtNode=39Bakeries sue importer of toxic milk powder 10/30/2008 (CNA) Taipei, Oct. 30 (CNA) Several bakeries filed a lawsuit Wednesday against New Tai Milk Products Co., seeking compensation for the financial losses they suffered as a result of the company's import and sale of melamine-contaminated milk powder from China. Representatives of the bakeries, accompanied by Taiwan Solidarity Union Secretary-General Lin Jhi-jia, filed a civil lawsuit with the Taipei District Court in the first legal action ever brought by local bakeries against the importer of dairy products. One of the bakery representatives, Ho Kuan-ching, said that since the melamine scandal surfaced more than a month ago, there has been no goodwill action from the Taoyuan County-based New Tai -- the Taiwan subsidiary of the New Zealand dairy giant Fonterra. New Tai is known to have imported 25 tons of the melamine-tainted milk powder from China's Sanlu Group, one of that country's largest manufacturers of dairy products. ... The government, as the gatekeeper of food imports, was partly to blame for the toxic milk scandal, and should grant national compensation to businesses that suffered losses as result of the incident, he urged. (By Y.L. Kao)
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« Reply #1228 on: October 30, 2008, 10:13:20 AM » |
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http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/239285,melamine-discovered-in-chinese-eggs-authorities-make-first-arrest.htmlMelamine discovered in Chinese eggs, authorities make first arrest Posted : Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:00:36 GMT Author : DPA Beijing - Authorities made a fist arrest in the evolving scandal over melamine-contaminated eggs, a Chinese news report said. Melamine, a toxic chemical used for producing plastics and fertilizers, which was previously detected in Chinese milk and dairy products, was detected in eggs in Hong Kong earlier this week. Investigators believe chicken feed spiked with melamine to boost protein levels is responsible for the contamination and arrested the manager of a feed producer in the province Liaoning, the Xinjingbai daily reported. It is believed that other producers also added the chemical to their products ...
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« Reply #1229 on: October 30, 2008, 10:51:07 AM » |
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Well, FDA, answer this question from Oct. 29, 2008: http://csr-asia.com/weekly_detail.php?id=11519Never mind the milk; what about drugs?
by Poland Li pli@csr-asia.com
There has been an enormous amount of attention in China and elsewhere on the recent milk scandal that claimed four infant lives and sickened tens of thousands. Now the press is reporting that the scandal has spread to eggs. Product safety is clearly on the agenda in China, and thousands of articles have been written on milk and one presumes soon to be on eggs.
However, there is a bigger issue that has remained virtually invisible to the media outside China. Numerous people die each year as a result of taking drugs that are adulterated, fake or otherwise deadly. The Chinese media reports many of these cases, and this article consists of translations from local media sources that provide an insight into the extent of the problem.
First are a selection of stories reported in 2008. ... This is from Corporate Social Responsibility in Asia [is that a misnomer in regard to China?] The author goes on to describe incidents in 2007 and 2006. Just want to alert the FDA to the next area of possible melamine contamination in those pill coatings to give FDA an advanced start. |
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