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here's a link I cross-posted under pet food recall news...appropriate here too.. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809u/tainted-milk
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« Reply #571 on: September 29, 2008, 03:23:38 PM » |
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No one knows where all Chinese exports of melamine contaminated milk powder products went because there is no transparent international food export traceability system in place. In addition to China itself, there are conduits through multinational corporations like Fonterra New Zealand, one-third of the international dairy industry, or direct imports from other countries in the Asia Pacific area, including Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Thailand, India that could theoretically have supplied major food companies in the US, Kraft, General Mills, and Mars, with Chinese product. Then there is also the silence of major US food manufacturers themselves as to the supplier sources of their ingredients, if indeed these manufacturers even know the supplier sources further back than who they bought from. The US FDA is only directing some of its limited response efforts at obvious Chinese supplied products. There is also a huge grey market smuggling area which needs to be addressed by more than a few visits to Asian markets in a limited number of US cities. I join the chorus of US consumers demanding to know where is the US FDA response adequate to deal with the enormity of the possible contamination here?
The Brits seem to have come up with one horrendous huge but feasible solution: If it's "got milk," it needs government testing; and let the cost chips fall on those who have earned it, manufacturers and suppliers.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_TAINTED_MILK?SITE=VABRM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULThmm. sound familiar??? problems with positive test results due to "methodology"...aminopterin, acetaminophen, etc In the United States, Hershey's spokesman Kirk Saville said the Cadbury distributor "has never purchased milk, including powdered milk, from China," and that he was "positive" no Hershey's suppliers receive milk products from the country.
Indonesia's Food and Drug Monitoring Agency said tests last week found melamine in a dozen products distributed nationwide, including M&Ms, Snickers bars and Oreo wafers.
Manufacturers Kraft and Mars questioned the findings.
"We don't use any milk ingredients from China in any Oreo products, no matter where they are made or sold," said Kraft spokeswoman Claire Regan.
Tod Gimbel, Kraft's director of corporate affairs for the Asia Pacific, said the company "was trying to understand what methodology was used" in Indonesia's testing.
Mars, in a statement on its Web site, called the Indonesian results "completely inconsistent" with test findings from other government and independent labs in Asia and Europe.
"The vastly different results give Mars significant reason to question the validity of the Indonesian laboratory results," the company said.
So far, only a local agency has checked the products for melamine, but the levels found were considered very high.
No level of melamine deliberately added to a food product is legal in the United States, according to the Food and Drug Administration.
But the agency said it is conducting a health risk assessment to try to determine if there is a minimal amount that would be acceptable in cases where the chemical finds its way into a product through some other means. For example, melamine could be present in the meat or milk of an animal that was fed tainted feed or it could find its way into food processed in a factory.
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« Reply #573 on: September 29, 2008, 04:01:52 PM » |
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All the more reason for the mutineers here to get busy with independent testing...
Lie or misrepresent, deny, delay, smear, and plant disinformation in the media were all tactics seen in the 2007 pet food recalls.
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« Reply #574 on: September 29, 2008, 04:05:35 PM » |
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Amen.
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« Reply #575 on: September 29, 2008, 05:13:45 PM » |
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I wonder if these companies even know their supply chain more than one level up? This poisoned junk is passed from one middleman to the next and the next and the next.
We're hearing the same hackneyed phrases and denials as with the pet food recalls. Do all these companies hire the same crisis management firms?
With the tanked economy foremost in the news, there is little coverage of the milk products scandal, except for crawlers, that I know of.
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Buy local. Buy organic. If you ate today, thank a farmer, hopefully a small, local farmer.
Remember the thousands & thousands of pets that died to give US a wake-up call about the safety of ALL food.
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« Reply #576 on: September 29, 2008, 05:27:53 PM » |
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I wonder if these companies even know their supply chain more than one level up? This poisoned junk is passed from one middleman to the next and the next and the next.
I was wondering the same thing. We all watched the chain and lack of knowledge during the PFR. And don't forget, they didn't always know what was in the finished product as some factories *improvised* with ingredients. How are they ever going to do proper COOL? I know for beef they were talking a scan system and it would all be computerized from birth to shelf. I just don't see how they could keep track of some of these ingredients the way they do business.
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« Reply #577 on: September 29, 2008, 05:31:42 PM » |
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"No level of melamine deliberately added to a food product is legal in the United States, according to the Food and Drug Administration.
But the agency said it is conducting a health risk assessment to try to determine if there is a minimal amount that would be acceptable in cases where the chemical finds its way into a product through some other means. For example, melamine could be present in the meat or milk of an animal that was fed tainted feed or it could find its way into food processed in a factory."
THERE MUST BE NO ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF MELAMINE IN ANY FOOD ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD...........ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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If cats could talk......They wouldn't
Tortie cats are like Almond Joys........Very sweet and a little nuts
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« Reply #578 on: September 29, 2008, 06:46:58 PM » |
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I have kidney stones. I always assumed it was from the desert Southwest hard water. I can tell you the pain in an adult is exquisite. I wonder now as to the cause. Maybe in my sixth decade, I can give new meaning to rock and roll plastic style. That would be almost funny if this all wasn't so tragic for babies and pets and the human community. 
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« Reply #579 on: September 29, 2008, 06:52:10 PM » |
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I have kidney stones. I always assumed it was from the desert Southwest hard water. I can tell you the pain in an adult is exquisite. I wonder now as to the cause. Maybe in my sixth decade, I can give new meaning to rock and roll. That would be funny if this all wasn't so tragic for babies and pets and the human community.  3cat You raise an interesting point. The guy that works right behind me just had an attack of stones, 28 years old. Always eating snack things, who knows. I am sure the CDC doesn't keep track of this, or maybe they do and just don't tell us if kidney stones are on the rise. db
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I used to think that anyone doing anything weird was weird. I suddenly realized that anyone doing anything weird wasn't weird at all and it was the people saying they were weird that were weird.
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« Reply #580 on: September 29, 2008, 06:56:19 PM » |
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As a fellow kidney stone sufferer, I have done a great deal of reading on the topic, believe me. Kidney stones have been on steady increase in the US for the past 30 years.
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« Reply #581 on: September 29, 2008, 07:04:59 PM » |
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Until just this moment, it never occurred to me before, but could my two little surviving cats still be going through this, or did they just after exposure to the contaminated food? Oh, I hope not ...
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« Reply #582 on: September 29, 2008, 07:08:06 PM » |
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3cat, I think if they were in that kind of pain, you would know it. I doubt they are.
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« Reply #583 on: September 29, 2008, 07:19:04 PM » |
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Now, no, catbird. But when I think of the first, Doozie, I know so. And other looks in the eyes that say "help me," now I know. Not anything I wish for any parent any where.
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« Reply #584 on: September 29, 2008, 07:31:53 PM » |
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"No level of melamine deliberately added to a food product is legal in the United States, according to the Food and Drug Administration.
But the agency said it is conducting a health risk assessment to try to determine if there is a minimal amount that would be acceptable in cases where the chemical finds its way into a product through some other means. For example, melamine could be present in the meat or milk of an animal that was fed tainted feed or it could find its way into food processed in a factory."
THERE MUST BE NO ACCEPTABLE LEVELS OF MELAMINE IN ANY FOOD ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD...........ESPECIALLY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I thought they already had allowable levels that they set last year when they reaized they were feeding melamine feed? First it was none allowed, and then about a week later they suddenly had that stupid Risk Assessment (Assumption).
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