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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2008, 04:54:48 PM » |
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Per Sundloff: " it's also contained in a cleaning solution used on some food processing equipment and can leach into the products being prepared."
Right, leach? Just how much of that cleaning solution does it take to contaminate the whole batch? A puddle, a jug, What??? How Much???
Sounds like a bad joke or nightmare - or, or for those at the FDA it's their brand of "politically correct" deception tactics.
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2008, 05:00:19 PM » |
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Laboratory Information Bulletin LIB No. 4421 Volume 24, October 2008 Determination of Melamine and Cyanuric Acid Residues in Infant Formula using LC-MS/MS http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/lib4421.htmlI get it. The FDA created this swell procedure in October so they wouldn't be caught off guard in November when the story broke. Heckuva job, FDA! You guys couldn't find acetaminophen in a bottle of Tylenol. So how do you know this is "contact contamination"? 5CatMom =^..^ = |
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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2008, 05:37:48 PM » |
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Consumer Affairs has the story: "The newspaper quoted FDA official Stephen Sundlof as saying the finding is "no cause for concern." He said the chemical was at very low levels and was probably the result of contact with melamine during processing or packaging. Sundlof said the agency also found minute amounts of melamine in products such as nutritional and medical supplements made by five U.S. manufacturers of infant formula."http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/11/chinese_formula13.html5CatMom =^..^ =They obviously didn't learn poo poo from the pet food recall!! My god, do they think we have no memory recall? ugh. Off to take a break before I explode. |
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2008, 06:00:55 PM » |
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I just picked Myself up off the floor.  I couldn't believe it when I saw it on the front page of yahoo. WTH is going on? Are they [the FDA] feeding it to their babies? are they crazy? This just wouldn't have ever happened years ago. I had to drink ensure, too. but the Dr. told Me to drink instant Breakfast instead, said it had more in it. i stopped drinking any of that stuff 2 months ago. This should never be allowed to happen. what other milk products are We getting from china? And why, when we have plenty of milk right here? WTH are We supposed to eat and drink? I'm so sick and tired of all this  They will never learn. |
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2008, 06:14:37 PM » |
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I knew it, I just knew it. I'm very, very angry, but I can't say I'm surprised. It was inevitable. I'm sure that melamine and CA are in many, many US products containing dried milk ingredients, or any other kind of protein products.
All those sudden product recalls for undeclared milk ingredients meant that the producers were looking closely at everything made with dried milk after the Chinese melamine revelation. They happened to discover some things that had not been labeled correctly as containing milk, and appropriately did recalls to protect those with allergies. But this was in a sense a smoke screen IMO, and diverted attention from what they were really doing--checking for melamine.
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2008, 06:36:23 PM » |
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I just found out that they had taken some of the infant formula [one anyway], off the market 2 weeks ago. Two weeks ago, and We're just hearing about it? I'm sick of this whole damn mess the USA has us in If anyone missed Oprea today, go to Her web site and find out why some people in other places live to a healthy 109 years old. We need to grow our own, keep our own, and eat our own. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr Hissssssssssssss |
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2008, 08:29:29 PM » |
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OMG, my grandson, Hunter, will be one on December 17. He has a feeding tube and is on
total protein nutrition made by Nestle. He has kidney problems and high blood pressure.
He has a urologist, a hematologist, and has been in and out of the hospital for most of the
last year. what do I do? I will not survive this. I can't express what I'm feeling. God in Heaven,
this can't be real
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2008, 09:43:08 PM » |
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OMG, Abbott Laboratories makes some of the products I have to consume due to medical necessity, like Ensure. I don't have many other options, long story. They also make formulas that are used in tube-fed patients, which is often their only source of nutrition.
So now I naturally wonder which "nutritional and medical supplements" products tested positive for melamine.....
Think I'm gonna hurl....
I was concerned about the milk protein concentrate and other concentrates in Ensure and other products before but when I emailed they wanted me to phone. That's not so easy for me as I don't have much vocal energy, and DH's schedule is so bad these days. So I never phoned.
Ay yay yay. Thank you to all those who found this information.
I got the same response from Dannon (I USED to eat their Activia yogurt). It's obvious they don't want to put anything in writing because they will most assuredly be sued. I wish I was rich, I would use http://www.importgenius.com/ to find out who was importing what. If you google a company's name + imports, often a link will come up from import genius and you can see where the company is importing from. I think it's pretty obvious none of the food supply is safe anymore. |
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2008, 09:57:29 PM » |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/25/fda-finds-traces-of-melam_n_146536.htmlThe FDA tests also detected melamine in two samples of nutritional supplements for very sick children who have trouble digesting regular food. Nestle's Peptamen Junior medical food showed 0.201 and 0.206 parts per million of melamine while Nestle's Nutren Junior-Fiber showed 0.16 and 0.184 parts per million.Nestle's Peptamen Junior medical food showed 0.201 and 0.206 parts per million of melamine That's my grandson's food. Have a call in to the urologist now.
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2008, 10:01:13 PM » |
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3cat- Just what Hunter doesn't need is more health problems from his food ! Unfortunately the Dr's response will probably not be positive.
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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2008, 10:56:10 PM » |
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This is just so d--n disgusting I cant even find good cuss words anymore. Sundloff needs to go, NOW. There is no excuse for this. Its very obvious to me they were trying to hide this and got caught. Congress needs to do something now. I mean seriously, this to me is bad enough that it should warrant Sundloff's immediate removal from his position. Hallo Sundloff, what part about poisonous industrial chemical dont you understand and why in heaven would he think its OK to feed even minute parts to little babies let alone anyone or anything else. Outrageous! This is terrible enough concerning babies but I also worry, do pets get fed any of thiese products for recuperation or anything? If so, we all know what can happen to them with just a little melamine and cyanuric acid mixed together....
3cat, I am sooo sorry you are having to go thru yet another worry from these toxins and this time with your prescious grandbaby. Please let us know what you are able to find out, I so hope that he wont be affected and that it has been caught in time.
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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2008, 11:15:30 PM » |
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3Cat,
Dash off a letter to your reps/senators and copy Rosa DeLauro, Durbin, Hillary, Stupak (sp?) Waxman and your state Attorney General and food safety people. They need to hear from people who are directly in danger or have family members in danger pronto. I'm pretty sure Hillary's on it here as she was already riding the FDA on this. Give them some more ammo and urgency. This is just [edited] ridiculous that your grandson should be threatened like this!
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2008, 11:40:56 PM » |
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straybaby very good advice for anyone directly threatened or a family member by this latest in the ongoing discover of poison/toxins in our and our pets food.
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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2008, 12:04:29 AM » |
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There were several different brands of those tube-feeding formulas when I was researching them a few years back so 3cat, I sure hope and pray that the doctors will find a different brand that has been tested and is free of any melamine, or anything objectionable, for your grandson.
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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2008, 01:08:37 AM » |
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I found something that might give us a better idea if what the FDA is saying is true as far as the detected levels of melamine in formula possibly being "background levels." http://www.sepsci.com/chromforum/viewtopic.php?p=43973"We developed an early method on the Phenomenex Polar-RP that allows for the detection of all 4 melamine analogs at sub-ppm levels in feed, body fluids, and tissue samples. I'm not sure, but I think it was the basis for the FERN method. The conditions are in J Agric Food Chem. 2008 Sep 10;56(17):7593-9. Only problem with that method was a low level of background melamine (100 - 200 ppb in samples) that wouldn't go away. We're going currently looking at the HILIC columns to try to get around this. "http://forum.onlineconversion.com/showthread.php?t=943"Originally Posted by JimVan
So if 1 ppm = 1000 ppb then 0.10 ppm = 100 ppb...right?
That is correct."So the .1 to .2 ppm test results would be 100-200 ppb and so on, unless my math is off. Maybe those really are 'background levels' up to that point. What that means, I don't know. Also wonder about that cyanuric acid in the Nestle's. How do they explain that? |
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