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« on: November 25, 2008, 03:17:32 PM »

I was working in one of my stores and they had a news channel on... the highlight was melamine found in US made baby formula  Shocked Shocked ... Anyone else have more info ??
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2008, 03:24:05 PM »

Wow.  Found this.  Thanks Sharky.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122764783105057435.html

And they're conducting "animal tests"   Angry
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2008, 03:48:03 PM »

I think US Consumers (other than the Thousands of Pet Owners from the 2007 scandal) are being introduced to "cross contamination" in a manner of phrasing that they have not encountered nor considered and it most likely wouldn't register with them what Sudloff  means or isn't straight out telling them...

"melamine detected was at "extremely low levels" and likely was the result of contact with melamine during the processing"

Which Sundloff very skillfully buried the meaning/implications of in that sentence.

Hello, just how is melamine found during the PROCESSING of "nutritional supplements and medical supplements, all made by the five U.S. manufacturers of infant formula" which could cross-contaminate them?  What ingredient has a high enough level of melamine in it to be diluted during processing to "trace"?  Sigh, we've worn that road out and here we are on it again...

Another dilution theory peeking out from under the rug? Because, the amount from packaging contact does not remotely come close to the 2.5ppm the Feds feeding us melamine have determined is "safe".
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2008, 03:54:46 PM »

.....and this story coming out a couple days before a holiday when people are busy making preparations....so not that many people paying attention.  Convenient time.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2008, 03:58:04 PM »

I'm surprised this leaked into the news. I think we all know that import notice recently meant more than they were saying . . .   Angry

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2008, 04:01:39 PM »

on Yahoo main page too

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081125/ts_nm/us_food_melamine_infants
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2008, 04:07:31 PM »

this has the most info so far  And cyanuric acid too!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7SAbhJj3By_isZUoRAgTOPHzwkQD94M8T7G1

FDA finds traces of melamine in US infant formula
By MARTHA MENDOZA and JUSTIN PRITCHARD – 26 minutes ago

Traces of the industrial chemical melamine have been detected in samples of top-selling U.S. infant formula, but federal regulators insist the products are safe.

The Food and Drug Administration said last month it was unable to identify any melamine exposure level as safe for infants, but a top official said it would be a "dangerous overreaction" for parents to stop feeding infant formula to babies who depend on it.

"The levels that we are detecting are extremely low," said Dr. Stephen Sundlof, director of the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. "They should not be changing the diet. If they've been feeding a particular product, they should continue to feed that product. That's in the best interest of the baby."

Melamine is the chemical found in Chinese infant formula — in far larger concentrations — that has been blamed for killing at least three babies and making at least 50,000 others ill.

Previously undisclosed tests, obtained by The Associated Press under the Freedom of Information Act, show that the FDA has detected melamine in a sample of one popular formula and the presence of cyanuric acid, a chemical relative of melamine, in the formula of a second manufacturer.

Separately, a third major formula maker told AP that in-house tests had detected trace levels of melamine in its infant formula.


The three firms — Abbott Laboratories, Nestle and Mead Johnson — manufacture more than 90 percent of all infant formula produced in the United States.

The FDA and other experts said the melamine contamination in U.S.-made formula had occurred during the manufacturing process, rather than intentionally.

The U.S. government quietly began testing domestically produced infant formula in September, soon after problems with melamine-spiked formula surfaced in China.

Sundlof said there have been no reports of human illness in the United States from melamine, which can bind with other chemicals in urine, potentially causing damaging stones in the kidney or bladder and, in extreme cases, kidney failure.

Melamine is used in some U.S. plastic food packaging and can rub off onto what we eat; it's also contained in a cleaning solution used on some food processing equipment and can leach into the products being prepared.

Sundlof told the AP the positive test results "so far are in the trace range, and from a public health or infant health perspective, we consider those to be perfectly fine."

That's different from the impression of zero tolerance the agency left on Oct. 3, when it stated: "FDA is currently unable to establish any level of melamine and melamine-related compounds in infant formula that does not raise public health concerns."

FDA scientists said then that they couldn't set an acceptable level of melamine exposure in infant formula because science hadn't had enough time to understand the chemical's effects on infants' underdeveloped kidneys. Plus, there is the complicating factor that infant formula often constitutes a newborn's entire diet.

The agency added, however, that its position did not mean that any exposure to a detectable level of melamine and melamine-related compounds in infant formula would result in harm to infants.

Still, the announcement was widely interpreted by manufacturers, the news media and Congress to mean that infant formula that tested positive at any level could not be sold in the United States.

The Grocery Manufacturers Association, for example, told its members: "FDA could not identify a safe level for melamine and related compounds in infant formula; thus it can be concluded they will not accept any detectable melamine in infant formula."

It was not until the AP inquired about tests on domestic formula that the FDA articulated that while it couldn't set a safe exposure for infants, it would accept some melamine in formula — raising the question of whether the decision to accept very low concentrations was made only after traces were detected.

On Sunday, Sundlof said the agency had never said, nor implied, that domestic infant formula was going to be entirely free of melamine. He said he didn't know if the agency's statements on infant formula had been misinterpreted.

In China, melamine was intentionally dumped into watered-down milk to trick food quality tests into showing higher protein levels than actually existed. Byproducts of the milk ended up in infant formula, coffee creamers, even biscuits.

The concentrations of melamine there were extraordinarily high, as much as 2,500 parts per million. The concentrations detected in the FDA samples were 10,000 times smaller — the equivalent of a drop in a 64-gallon trash bin.

There would be no economic advantage to spiking U.S.-made formula at the extremely low levels found in the FDA testing. It neither raises the protein count nor saves valuable protein, said University of California, Davis chemist Michael Filigenzi, a melamine detection expert.

According to FDA data for tests of 77 infant formula samples, a trace concentration of melamine was detected in one product — Mead Johnson's Infant Formula Powder, Enfamil LIPIL with Iron. An FDA spreadsheet shows two tests were conducted on the Enfamil, with readings of 0.137 and 0.14 parts per million.

Three tests of Nestle's Good Start Supreme Infant Formula with Iron detected an average of 0.247 parts per million of cyanuric acid, a melamine byproduct.

And while the FDA said tests of 18 samples of formula made by Abbott Laboratories, including its Similac brand, did not detect melamine, spokesman Colin McBean said some company tests did find the chemical. He did not identify the specific product or the number of positive tests.

McBean did say the detections were at levels far below the health limits set by all countries in the world, including Taiwan, where the limit is 0.05 parts per million.

"We're talking about trace amounts right here, and you know there's a lot of scientific bodies out there that say low levels of melamine are always present in certain types of foods," said McBean.

Mead Johnson spokeswoman Gail Wood said her company's in-house tests had not detected any melamine, and that the company had not been informed of the FDA test results, even during a confidential agency conference call Monday with infant formula makers about melamine contamination.

The FDA tests also detected melamine in two samples of nutritional supplements for very sick children who have trouble digesting regular food. Nestle's Peptamen Junior medical food showed 0.201 and 0.206 parts per million of melamine while Nestle's Nutren Junior-Fiber showed 0.16 and 0.184 parts per million.

The agency said that while there are no established exposure levels for infant formula, pediatric medical food — often used in feeding tubes for very sick, young children — can have 2.5 parts per million of melamine, just like food products other than infant formula.

In a written response to questions, a Nestle spokesman denied that any of the company's products contained cyanuric acid, and said its products are safe.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., who heads a panel that oversees the FDA budget, said the agency was taking a "marketplace first, science last" approach.

"The FDA should be insisting on a zero-tolerance policy for melamine in domestic infant formula until it is able to determine conclusively based on sound independent science that the trace levels would not pose a health risk to infants," DeLauro said.

Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a frequent critic of the FDA, said: "If no safe level of melamine has been established for consumption by children, then the FDA should immediately recall any formula that has tested positive for even trace amounts of the contaminant."

Several medical experts said trace concentrations would be diluted even in an infant, and are highly unlikely to be harmful.

"It's just a tiny amount, it's very unlikely to cause stones," said Stanford University Medical School pediatrics professor Dr. Paul Grimm.

Dr. Jerome Paulson, an associate professor of pediatrics at Children's National Medical Center in Washington, D.C., said he didn't think the FDA's decision was unreasonable. He added, however, that the agency should research the impacts of long-term, low-dose exposure, "and not just assume it's safe, and then 15 years from now find out that it's not."
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2008, 04:13:32 PM »

AND CYANURIC ACID!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*!&#*$*()$ right, tell them to go ahead and feed it to the babies!!

I am soooooo friggin angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Previously undisclosed tests, obtained by The Associated Press under the Freedom of Information Act, show that the FDA has detected melamine in a sample of one popular formula and the presence of cyanuric acid, a chemical relative of melamine, in the formula of a second manufacturer.

Separately, a third major formula maker told AP that in-house tests had detected trace levels of melamine in its infant formula.

The three firms — Abbott Laboratories, Nestle and Mead Johnson — manufacture more than 90 percent of all infant formula produced in the United States.

The FDA and other experts said the melamine contamination in U.S.-made formula had occurred during the manufacturing process, rather than intentionally."



You know what angers me most? Nestle will say it isn't in theirs just like they did in China. Just like others do when it's in the "safe" level or spiking. Dilution theories and risk assessments be damned.. tell the people you're feeding them and encouraging them to consume products that jeopardize your health.. cos that one time it was low.. what about the next time?  We know from the recalls and China that there is NOT an EVEN distribution thru the products. It varied from can/batch to can/batch...
Right, tell them to feed the babies.. where's the press being angry? Where's the tell the MF's NO!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2008, 04:16:10 PM »

even more updated by the AP
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j7SAbhJj3By_isZUoRAgTOPHzwkQD94M98PG0


Three tests of Nestle's Good Start Supreme Infant Formula with Iron detected an average of 0.247 parts per million of cyanuric acid, a melamine byproduct.

The FDA said last month that the toxicity of cyanuric acid is under study, but that meanwhile it is "prudent" to assume that its potency is equal to that of melamine.

And while the FDA said tests of 18 samples of formula made by Abbott Laboratories, including its Similac brand, did not detect melamine, spokesman Colin McBean said some company tests did find the chemical. He did not identify the specific product or the number of positive tests.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2008, 04:20:31 PM »

and if it wasn't for somebody thinking and paying attention in the AP and going through the song and dance that is "Freedom of Information" we would not know about this ......


and isn't it ridiculous that the FDA did say that NO ACCEPTABLE LEVEL is allowed in baby formula here..but now they say "nevermind...this is okay"...my head is going to explode! Angry


and did you notice the FDA tests were neg but the compoany tests found it...sound familiar?
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2008, 04:25:08 PM »

"In a written response to questions, a Nestle spokesman denied that any of the company's products contained cyanuric acid, and said its products are safe.

Nestle's products need to be boycotted. I knew they'd do that kind of media...

sickens me....

"Three tests of Nestle's Good Start Supreme Infant Formula with Iron detected an average of 0.247 parts per million of cyanuric acid, a melamine byproduct."

This is exactly the same kind pr spin that Nestle used during the China milk scandal.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2008, 04:43:47 PM »

Consumer Affairs has the story:

"The newspaper quoted FDA official Stephen Sundlof as saying the finding is "no cause for concern." He said the chemical was at very low levels and was probably the result of contact with melamine during processing or packaging. Sundlof said the agency also found minute amounts of melamine in products such as nutritional and medical supplements made by five U.S. manufacturers of infant formula."

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/11/chinese_formula13.html

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2008, 04:44:50 PM »

.....and this story coming out a couple days before a holiday when people are busy making preparations....so not that many people paying attention.  Convenient time.

Good point!  I wonder if a spin doctor set that up.  The agencies do hire them.

http://www.psandman.com/col/justified.htm
"There are endless examples of this process in action. Think about the revelations that Chinese producers put melamine in milk products. Melamine is a poisonous industrial chemical that masquerades as protein. In 2008, melamine in infant formula sent tens of thousands of Chinese children to the hospital with kidney stones. If you live in the West and don’t consume Chinese-made milk products (or think you don’t), this is a scandal. If you live in Asia it’s both an outrage and a crisis. A few of the companies and governments involved (Taiwan’s King Car, for example) were appropriately apologetic. Most were not."

So we have moved beyond scandal.

***ETA:  Guess they didn't hire Dr. Sandman because he tells it like it is:  "Melamine is a poisonous industrial chemical "

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2008, 04:45:43 PM »

"In a written response to questions, a Nestle spokesman denied that any of the company's products contained cyanuric acid, and said its products are safe.

Nestle's products need to be boycotted. I knew they'd do that kind of media...

sickens me....

Just sent the link for the AP to the editor here at work. I live on a VERY family oriented island here on the Big Island of Hawaii and once this hits the paper, it will be all over the state! From there, it'll be everywhere. Most families here have relatives on the Mainland & gossip is king here!!
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2008, 04:50:25 PM »

OMG, Abbott Laboratories makes some of the products I have to consume due to medical necessity, like Ensure. I don't have many other options, long story. They also make formulas that are used in tube-fed patients, which is often their only source of nutrition.

So now I naturally wonder which "nutritional and medical supplements" products tested positive for melamine.....

Think I'm gonna hurl....

I was concerned about the milk protein concentrate and other concentrates in Ensure and other products before but when I emailed they wanted me to phone. That's not so easy for me as I don't have much vocal energy, and DH's schedule is so bad these days. So I never phoned.

Ay yay yay. Thank you to all those who found this information.
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