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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2008, 07:09:33 PM »

I just found out My daughter has been eating Tacos [making them] with everything on them for the past couple of weeks. no one has been sick, so I don't know what that says about all these food items?
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2008, 07:22:07 PM »

Either that shes been lucky,or that the FDA can't find their own a--es in the dark.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2008, 07:57:10 PM »

ok, if they think it's associated with Mexican food, could limes be an issue? I like a squish of fresh lime in my salsa. I also use cucumbers.

I'm going to try a new way to make salsa this weekend, with grilled jalapenos  Grin  cut them open and soak them in a veggies wash for about 30 minutes and rinse. Then brush with oil, S&P and grill.

Can tortillas hold salmonella? I'll be making my own, but just trying to figure out what else the FDA might be missing . . . .
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2008, 08:28:50 PM »

Most interesting comment in this NYTimes Editorial Board blog:

http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/follow-that-killer-tomato/

The blog post by the NY Times asks for mandatory recall power for the FDA and traceability through the food to fork process. But
I wonder where this comment poster got his statistics? Three deaths a day (if true, of course) from Salmonella alone is acceptable attrition?
There ought to be severe criminal penalties as well as heavy civil fines for trading in carelessly processed or incidentally contaminated food,
imported or home-grown. If the government can't handle the inspection process, every producer, importer, distributor, and retailer should
be forced to do the safety testing necessary to prevent death and illness, unless someone has a better idea.

Government statistics show that on average, 3,835 cases of salmonella poisoning occur EVERY DAY in the USA, resulting in about 3 deaths/day. What is unique about the 1,000 cases reported over a several week period, resulting in one(?)reported death. The tomato industry is being pummeled by an assumption that has not yet been supported by facts. Isn’t this some sort over over-reaction to a new strain of salmonella that is less lethal than pre-existing varieties? Why isn’t the same energy expended in pursuing the other thousands of cases per day?

— Posted by Flip Wingrove

July 10, 2008 update by CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/Salmonella/saintpaul/

July 9, 2008 FDA advice:
http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/tomatoes.html
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2008, 04:03:46 AM »

You may recall that Bill Marler appeared on the CNN special report.  His comment about E. coli was something like "it's not rocket science - it's manure". 

Some interesting articles on Mr. Marler's website:

http://www.marlerblog.com/

LOL, this must be frustrating for a food poisoning attorney!  Unless FDA confirms the source(s) and gets some positive tests, there'll be no one to sue.  Huummmm, maybe that's part of FDA's plan  Wink.

We've been eating cilantro and limes with no problems, so far.  Just lucky, I guess. 

Does anyone know why onions haven't been mentioned?

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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2008, 04:50:33 AM »

I eat onions all time.
Lesliek, I don't think She's been lucky, and she has a young son who's been eating all that too. i think it's what you said. they can't find their own as% #s in the dark.  Angry
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2008, 06:29:07 AM »

Since the "tomato advisory" started, I have eaten onions, jalapeno peppers, green onions/scallions, and cilantro numerous times.  Earlier in the season, before they were being harvested here, I ate them from who knows where.  I've also eaten plenty of limes, which do not grow here.  I have not had any symptoms of salmonella.

straybaby, I have sometimes made salsa with grilled/roasted jalapenos or other hot peppers.  It is very good!
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2008, 08:24:40 AM »

5CatMom: Why not sue the entire food and drug manufacturing and retailing industry for criminal negligence?
If you and I killed provable numbers of U.S. citizens per day, including infants and the elderly, what would happen to us?
It seems to me these industries are killing citizens faster than Iraq. I don't want the victims to be in my family or anyone else's.
There are safety testing measures which can be done which simply aren't because of cost. My patience is just gone at this
double-standard using a failed outbreak recall system and giving immunity to these groups of serial food killers ...
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2008, 09:32:22 AM »

Either that shes been lucky,or that the FDA can't find their own a--es in the dark.

Too funny, Leslie.  IMHO they can't find their a--es in the daylight, either.  Too busy thinking about how to spend those huge bonuses, I suppose.

3Cat, where there's a will, there's a way.  With so many people sick, I bet some smart lawyer will find a way to organize a class action suit.
 
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2008, 09:52:32 AM »

Either that shes been lucky,or that the FDA can't find their own a--es in the dark.

Too funny, Leslie.  IMHO they can't find their a--es in the daylight, either.  Too busy thinking about how to spend those huge bonuses, I suppose.

3Cat, where there's a will, there's a way.  With so many people sick, I bet some smart lawyer will find a way to organize a class action suit.
 
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We can only hope that litigation is what brings and end the charade called "food safety" and the huge waste of taxpayer dollars & lives

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=106&sid=1425268

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/07/fda_sued_over_s.html

Now, if some of the folks that "can" actually "do" sue them.
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2008, 01:07:47 PM »

3Cat, I like that .FDA-Serial Food Killers. And it's the truth. They get a bonus for it Huh
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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2008, 06:27:52 PM »

I wish with all my heart it wasn't true, but food producers/manufacturers/importers/distributors/retailers are
serial food killers at this point in time, with largely immune legal status, not doing even a minimum to prevent the things
they could prevent, and I don't think it should be allowed to remain that way. All our pets were sacrificed to warn
us and heaven knows how many people. How many people die daily from salmonella, e-coli, BSE exposure, and whatever
else you care to name in terms of food and drugs? It's too many. Remember what the Chinese did to their bribe taking
official in 2007? I was horrified. I'm also horrified by what I've learned about the food supply since March 16, 2007.
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2008, 08:53:32 PM »

One good thing is coming because of this. There is more food safety coverage on local news than ever before. Hopefully now more people \will stand up & demand a better system.[Oreo is helping agin !]
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2008, 10:37:31 PM »

[Oreo is helping agin !]


aww, good fer Oreo!   Grin

So my fav online grocer has a sale on all fruits and veggies this week. 25% off!!! I stocked up on organic herbs, scallions, onions, potatoes, tomatoes, and fruit. The local berries and plums were already on special so I got a really good deal there! Also had the Atlantic Salmon that I like so much on special. Those big producers can kiss my a**!!!!    Grin
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2008, 11:01:53 PM »

So Mexico now says they found no tomatoes contaminated with Salmonella...
http://www.newsmax.com/international/mexico_tomatoes_salmonella/2008/07/11/112126.html
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