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I think i'm just rambling. Trudy You are not rambling, you are becoming aware, happened to all of us here. That moment in time when your mind says enough and why the [edited] isn't someone doing something about this, why the [edited] are the sheeple so stupid, am I the only one that is listening?? Am I the only one who knows what is going on?? Welcome to another mental state, makes you look at things differently doesn't it?? I have stopped talking to people, they are adults and if they want to live in the world of sheeple, then that is their choice. I don't waste my time or breath on them anymore. Much better things to do than that I have found that the best I can do is to be aware of what is going on and to take care of my family the best that I can. Wife and I are of the same mind, we stay to ourselves to avoid the inevitable confrontation, not that I am afraid of it, just got real tired of banging my head on the wall db |
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« Reply #226 on: February 29, 2008, 06:42:33 PM » |
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We stay to ourselves too. Because We like it that way. and i am so frig#$%@ scared for My kids and grandkids, and pets, and us. I'm worried for the world. and no one is listening. I had one friend to say to Me- Stay off the Da#$ computer and maybe you'd be eating better. Right.  I'm not giving up. I'm also going to write all kinds of letters. but i am very impatient, and wish i could do something now.  |
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« Reply #227 on: February 29, 2008, 07:31:33 PM » |
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You are doing something, Trudy, with every concern you express and every letter you write. thank you.
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« Reply #228 on: February 29, 2008, 07:43:38 PM » |
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Klondike, I don't mean to imply that HSUS or anyone else can fix this themselves, only that I believe HSUS should not have kept their info from the public for several months as many hapless people may have eaten contaminated food. I think HSUS should have gone public immediately. For some people, in this case only, it might have been the difference between life and death. Hopefully, no ill will come of it; there is a chance of that, but who knows?
For all the rest of the deceit and disregard for our admittedly weak safety standards, we are truly on our own--or at best, we are at the mercy and the will of those in a position of trust to do the right thing. I'm definitely not too comfortable with that. As a matter of fact, I am sometimes terrified and really furious at the same time. Like so many of the posters, I hate to shop. I feel like I am just hedging my bets the best I can.
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« Reply #229 on: February 29, 2008, 08:00:27 PM » |
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I didn't see this posted. I'm not sure what is up. My local paper has already printed that our local school districts did receive meat from this company. Maybe some are not saying. Whose rights supersede whose? But here is a petition to have the USDA disclose the venues that received the Hallmark/Westland meat. Even Consumers Union doesn't want to mention the "P" word. You gotta wonder. Anyway, here is the petition for anyone who is intersted. https://secure.consumersunion.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1809 |
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« Reply #230 on: February 29, 2008, 08:02:57 PM » |
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Trudy your not alone. I get that quite a bit about spending too much time on the computer. My reply is "well at least I can get the "REAL" news from the net that you will never find out from a tv, radio or paper as those are all corporated owned and they tell them what to put on. So everyone still have their full faith and trust in the USDA? Nah, no sick animals here-they just weak and lil tired but we gonna process em anyway - can't let any profit get away from us and the hell with the Pimping of Poison (thanks to kaffee for that one) to the consumer. We don't care cause we know better not to eat it ourselves cause we see what really goes on. Oops - now you all know it too, Enjoy!
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« Reply #231 on: February 29, 2008, 08:21:37 PM » |
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During the recalls, I went in to a small pet store to pick up something for Hannah. I had just been on Itchmo & learned that yet another canned food had just been recalled......honestly don't know which recall it was. I happened to notice it on the shelf so I told the man behind the counter that it had just been recalled. He said he had heard nothing about it.....where did I get my information. I said I just read it on the internet. His snotty answer was "don't believe everything you read on the internet".....I said "ok" & went about my business. When I went back to check out, he was on the phone. Somebody else came over to ring up my purchase.......the man turned around, covered the phone & said "you're right......I just called my rep & it has been recalled".......ha ha. So much for not believing everything you read on the internet.  I have to agree about those foolish emails that we were discussing on another thread......they spread a lot of bogus info. During the recalls, I was checking daily to see what the latest recall was & never passed on any info unless I had checked it out. |
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« Reply #232 on: February 29, 2008, 08:27:22 PM » |
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My DH told me I was being paranoid because 1 of the news stations on the radio said the only thing wrong with the downer cows is that they were overfed ! >:(I find it really interesting that a news station would be telling people its safe to eat recalled meat.Not to mention that he thinks I am obsessed with food safety. Keeps saying everyone else is buying it & pf & they are fine. Since I just got home from sitting with his Mother[who has undiagnosed dementia] & can't be left alone,I would think he would get it ! I guess he doesn't have to worry about it because he knows I am checking everything. Everything he eats,I buy & make.Same for his Mom & his pets & children. I like to cook,but enough already ! I still need to be able to find safe ingredients.It's not easy or cheap anymore.Used to be 1 or 2 stores. Now it's search the net before buying,4 stores,internet orders,the butcher & farm markets.And everytime I order takeout or make any prepared foods I feel like I am poisoning my whole family. I am seriously thinking moving to the EU might be in my future.
Janc - After the same thing happened to me at 2 feed stores & the local pet food store, they all started checking Itchmo ,Petconnection & the petfoodlist.
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« Reply #233 on: February 29, 2008, 08:58:15 PM » |
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Trudy and JJ, I get that too. People think I'd feel better if I didn't read my news on the computer or do research. But, like all of you; something very personal happened last March. I trusted the food supply was safe. I didn't know about GMO's or what Organic meant. I didn't know what COOL meant! It used to take me 30 min to grocery shop, now it's two hours plus. I think the store managers and butchers hate to see me enter the door. When we go out with friends to a restaurant, I eat only veggies! To really see how the government runs! CSPAN never used to be on my radar! And now it's impossible to turn back and ignore what is happening. So I write letters too and make calls and give my spiel to my friends hoping it will make a difference - change their habits, hope their safe.
I did make the fish mongers day today. 35 min worth of discussion about "delicately thawed frozen halibut" label, fresh wild caught (frozen) salmon... who writes these labels!! We settled on Arizona pond shrimp - sustainable desert farmed shrimp. The pond water is used to irrigate the olive trees. The shrimp were so good. Sweet, clean, the meat was delicate - reminded me of the shrimp my Mom bought 45 years ago! He told me they have been selling quite alot of it the past month as people want no foreign fish anymore! That was "music to the ears".
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lesliek; you sound just like me. And my DH is thrilled to know that at least at home the food is safe. I'm making him paranoid though - he gets only chicken breasts out and asks for them to be really well done. I like to cook, but used to be the "queen" of prepackaged frozen and prepared foods - because it was fast. Now everything is from scratch for us and our pets. Never thought I'd love my crockpot so much! My Mom has to be laughing - she thought I'd never learn to boil water.
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« Reply #234 on: February 29, 2008, 11:56:40 PM » |
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Klondike, I don't mean to imply that HSUS or anyone else can fix this themselves, only that I believe HSUS should not have kept their info from the public for several months as many hapless people may have eaten contaminated food. I think HSUS should have gone public immediately. For some people, in this case only, it might have been the difference between life and death. Hopefully, no ill will come of it; there is a chance of that, but who knows?
For all the rest of the deceit and disregard for our admittedly weak safety standards, we are truly on our own--or at best, we are at the mercy and the will of those in a position of trust to do the right thing. I'm definitely not too comfortable with that. As a matter of fact, I am sometimes terrified and really furious at the same time. Like so many of the posters, I hate to shop. I feel like I am just hedging my bets the best I can.
I guess this didn't surprise me at all and I have been feeling on my own as far as both E. Coli and BSE risk for many years. I mentioned that a major grocery store quit carrying a lower end ground beef in their line a few years ago since they could not guarantee the meat's safety. The USDA knew they were getting higher risk beef if that butcher at the grocery store knew about it. I think they all knew about the downers. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mike_Johanns"One sick cow in Canada just changed the world. That industry has just been devastated, just annihilated, and we want to make sure we are prepared for what comes down the road" (Michael Owen Johanns, Omaha World-Herald, Aug. 27, 2003)."Your anger is understandable but we'll have to agree to disagree about shooting the messenger or even feeling convinced that there is evidence to hold them responsible for anything. Right now, I am seeing this go all the way back to bad ag policy in the UK. Maybe it won't get this bad here, but it looks like they are preparing for an epidemic of human BSE deaths there. http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/ws/s637.pdfThe BSE Inquiry / Statement No 637
Mr Michael Burgess
Issued 05/07/2000
- THE CORONERS' SOCIETY OF ENGLAND & WALES -
- Coroners & vCJD -31 Is vCJD “Natural”? - This question has taxed many since its first
discovery. On behalf of the Society, I submit that for the coroner, the
correct question to pose is “Is the Death ... Unnatural?” As can be
seen from the advice issued by the Society, each coroner has to reach
his own conclusion based upon the particulars of the case before him.
As I have already stated, it is the individual coroner who will be called
to account and subject to judicial review, not the Society nor the Home
Office who may offer advice and counsel. Coroners are not bound by
the decisions of their colleagues and their conclusions may differ from
those of their peers.
32 By the very nature of the disease, the on-going research and the
conclusions which flow therefrom, there is not a steady single
unequivocal and certain source of knowledge and understanding to
which there can be general reference.
33 Further, the disease, if caused by the consumption of BSE infected
products, though suggestive as being “unnatural,” does not necessarily
satisfy a purist’s argument, if considered with other arguments
covering, e.g., AIDS, smoking related conditions and chronic alcoholic
cirrhosis, none of which at present is regarded as unnatural.7 It is, after
all the direct and immediate chain of causation of a particular death that
has to concern the coroner in the course of any inquest, not the broad
circumstances in which the death came about.
34 I personally do not believe that merely because a....-------------------------------------------------------------------- They were wrangling in 2000 on how to classify the coming plague of BSE deaths...natural, or unnatural? Very important when they start assigning blame. Like who killed this young lady? http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=69879&in_page_%20id=34Friend of ‘eat the beef’ MP dies
Thursday, October 11, 2007"A family friend of ex-minister John Gummer – who tried to show beef was safe by urging his daughter to eat a burger – has died from the human form of mad cow disease.
Elizabeth Smith, 23, died from variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease three years after she fell ill....---------------------------------------------------------- What a tragic irony. They say she did not eat much beef. But that is not the only way people in the UK can have gotten BSE. And we do have vaccines made in the UK. http://www.freedomtocare.org/page56.htm#safe food "5) VACCINES (October 2000)
How accountable to the public is the medicines and vaccines industry? In October 2000 it was revealed that children were still being given oral polio vaccine using material taken from cows which may have suffered from BSE, thus exposing these children to the risk of a slow death from new variant CJD. Remaining supplies of the vaccine had to be recalled. Officials announced that the risks were "incalculably small". But do they actually know how great the risks are? On what basis are they calculating the risks - they have not told us. What we now told, 14 years into the BSE crisis, is that about 35 million doses of the vaccine produced by the company Medeva between 1991 and 2000 have been given to small children and others. This accounts for one-third of all polio vaccines administered in the period. Yet the use of cow materials in vaccines has been prohibited by guidelines since 1989. The guidelines become law next year. (The BSE inquiry reports shortly.) There have so far been eighty four victims of nvCJD in UK. Vaccine production has used fetal calf serum, from pregnant cows, to help grow cells using different polio strains. The giant medicines firm Wellcome put this vaccine on the market in 1989, but in 1991 it was bought by Medeva, and this then became part of Celltech. Celltech says it had "relied on assurances from Wellcome" that the material came from overseas cattle.
Michael Tibbet, chairman of the Human BSE Foundation, has spoken out: "After all these years it still looks as if we have not learned any lessons. It transpires the Dept of Health didn't check out these companies to proper standards." (Guardian, 21-10-00) What this means is that the voluntary measures agreed with the drug industry failed to keep dangerous cow material out of vaccines. The regulatory system has not been working. Inefficient bureaucratic government and profit-motivated industry cannot serve our interests - public participation and freedom of information are essential. "----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One third of the dogs in the UK? http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/mad-dogs-and-an-englishman-take-morning-pill-for-old-age-498252.html"Cat-lovers have always suspected it. Now vets have proved it. Thousands of dogs in the UK are suffering from disorders of the brain. In short, ours is a nation that owns mad dogs.
A major study of British pets has shown that a third of dogs aged seven and older showed "significant" signs of brain dysfunction.".... 23 yr olds are dying. We can only hope that we are better off here. We need to get on the USDA/FDA and make sure that it is. Stop the madness! (No pun intended.) http://www.producer.com/free/editorial/livestock.php?iss=2005-05-19&sec=livestock&sto=67Optimism stretching thin after two years of BSEthis document web posted: 2005-05-19 By Ian Bell Brandon bureau When Michael Burgess graduated from high school in 1973, the caption under his yearbook photo noted that his ambition in life was to be a rancher.
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« Reply #235 on: March 01, 2008, 12:35:19 PM » |
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I don't mean to imply there is any evidence to hold the HSUS responsible; I meant the HSUS had adequate evidence on the operation's unlawfulness to go public earlier. I am really thankful that they did this undercover operation, just don't understand why they did not go public sooner. I'm not a lawyer, and maybe they were afraid of lawsuits and the like. But ethically, I would hope the risk to the public would outweigh the risk from prosecution. I hope not to discourage them or any groups from doing this sort of thing in the future. It just seems strange to me that they waited, assuming they know there is a public danger beyond the animal cruelty. I would assume they do. I certainly would not want to see them prosecuted, only the workers who knowingly broke the law. ==================== As for the polio vaccine contamination--that is unwelcome news to me. What could they have been thinking?  ? Over and over, with gmo foods, vaccines, pesticides, and now nanotech, etc, industry, pharmaceuticals, and government all fault people like us for not trusting them, being fear-mongers or ignorant (while they are fear-mongering in a the direction of SELL). Or they say we are just ignorant of the science and fear the unknown that they understand. And time and time again they do unfathomably ridiculous and negligent--if not truly calculated and diabolic things to us. So what is it: are they knowingly doing this to us or do they truly know not what they do? Or both? I wonder if that vaccine was used in US. This is the timeframe in which 3 of my 4 children were vaccinated with that vaccine that was also the only known vector for polio in the US. |
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« Reply #236 on: March 01, 2008, 01:02:39 PM » |
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I, too, wonder why HSUS did not go public earlier. See article below that questions if perjury was committed. "In sworn testimony before Congress on Tuesday, HSUS’s Dr. Michael Greger blamed the delay (at least three times) on the San Bernardino County District Attorney’s office, claiming that “they told us to wait on any kind of public release of this information.” But yesterday the Press-Enterprise exposed this as a lie." http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/3572 |
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« Reply #237 on: March 01, 2008, 01:16:21 PM » |
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Be careful of information coming out of the 'Consumer Freedom' group. They seem to be a business interest that does lobbying and PR dirty work against various NGO's. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/05/AR2006040501956.htmlOur Pious Babylon
By Harold Meyerson
Thursday, April 6, 2006; Page A29"Working chiefly under the aegis of his Center for Consumer Freedom, Berman has accused Mothers Against Drunk Driving and kindred groups (in the words of one of his Web sites) of "junk science, intimidation tactics, and even threats of violence to push their radical agenda." Another Berman Web site was devoted to dismissing the dangers of mercury levels in fish.
Berman's center was jump-started in 1995 with money from Philip Morris, and, thanks to memos that were made public in the discovery process during the lawsuits against Big Tobacco, his strategic vision is now plain for all to see. "The concept," he wrote Philip Morris at the time, "is to unite the restaurant and hospitality industries in a campaign to defend their consumers and marketing programs against attacks from anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists." The industries apparently have appreciated Berman's work. According to the Center for Media and Democracy, a former Berman associate has produced documents showing that Coca-Cola, Wendy's, Tyson Foods, Cargill and Outback Steakhouse are among Berman's largest donors."
Bogus 'Consumer' Group Stripped Of Domain Names
Restaurant and Bar Lobby Behind "Orwellian" PR Campaign
http://www.cspinet.org/new/200302201.html"A trade association representing chain restaurants and taverns has surrendered the domain names of two sites designed to hijack web traffic away from the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), the pro-nutrition advocacy group. The trade association, the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), had registered cspinot.com, where it attacked CSPI and it's web site, cspinet.org. CCF had also purchased smartmouth.org, a domain name almost identical to that of Smart-Mouth.org, where CSPI provides information for children about nutrition and food marketing.
CCF is one of a shadowy trio of tax-exempt front groups run by Washington lobbyist Richard Berman. That trio also includes the American Beverage Institute, which fights laws designed to curb drunk driving, and the Employment Policies Institute, which is opposed to raising the minimum wage, particularly in the labor-intensive restaurant industry. CCF used to be named the Guest Choice Network, which was founded with seed money from Philip Morris. Berman controls all the organizations, which operate out of Berman's for-profit business, Berman & Co. The current funders of these groups are not disclosed, but Berman's groups are associated with executives from table-service restaurants like Outback Steakhouse,Chili's, and Pizzeria Uno.
"The so-called Center for Consumer Freedom deceives the American people every day of the week by posing as a consumer group, when it's really a front group that does P.R. dirty work for the restaurant and tavern industry," said CSPI executive director Michael F. Jacobson. "But even I was surprised that Rick Berman and his henchmen would stoop so low as to stop young kids from getting valuable nutrition information. I'm never surprised, though, by the goofy and low-brow tone of his efforts. Berman's a real bottom-feeder." ..."
Straybaby posted last night that HSUS is sueing the USDA. http://itchmoforums.com/recall-nonpet-food/humane-society-sues-usda-over-downercow-rules-after-recall-t3775.0.html |
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The Kansas City Star has a site where you can leave a comment wrt the Agriculture Secretary's comment. http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/509665.html#recent_comm5CatMom =^..^ = |
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Here's where you can leave a comment for the Secretary of Agriculture. http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1OB?edeployment_action=changenav&navid=FEEDBACK_FORM Click on the "Contact Us" button, and go to next page to leave feedback. 5CatMom =^..^ = |
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