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Auntie Crazy
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« on: September 17, 2009, 07:13:00 PM »

My very first article for the Feline Nutrition Education Society!

(Removed after dissolving my relationship with the society.)
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2009, 07:35:09 PM »

Very interesting!  I love the table feeding station idea.  One thing that has put me off is having raw meat dragged all over the house.  Now I want to try it!

I wonder why they started eating that batch of mice that way, leaving the hindquarters?  Maybe the mouse breeder was feeding something that remained in the lower intestine and tasted bad, or maybe they needed an extra taurine dose so they only wanted the brains.  One of my cats used to eat mice like that.

Not sure where the squirrels come from, but there was some concern that people were getting TSE from eating wild squirrel brains in Kentucky.  If they are captive raised, probably not a concern, but you might want to read up on TSE in squirrels &  check your area if they are wild.  

ETA - I've done a lot of reading on raw feeding for dogs and some sites say to wait 2 hours after they eat and they should be safe to snuggle with.  So if anyone is really worried about it, that might be a simple rule to follow.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 06:30:41 AM »

AC (T), first, congrats on being an excellent author.

In the spring of 2007, my reaction would have been oooowe, no.

In 2008, what am I going to do, commercial food still not safe.
Yeah, right, there's homemade.

In 2009, it's makes all kinds of sense, maybe.

Thank you for the beautifully written article.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 07:45:42 AM »

It was great to see in real time the adjustments you made as they got used to it. Mine seem to prefer ground with chunks of meat when I feed raw. I haven't tried pork raw yet,but they all like it cooked so I'll try some raw & see how it goes.

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 07:51:29 AM »

Wow AC.  Awesome educational story.  I stayed up late last night just to read it all.  I have lots of questions, but short on time right now.  For one, I'm interested in the cost factors involved versus canned food since you talked about that quite a bit.  Since I only have access to packaged store poultry, I wondered about the safety of using that for raw feeding if one does not have access to fresh local poultry.  That's why I'm cooking for the little bit of home-feeding I am able to do.

Going to move this to our new "raw" section!

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For I will whisper into their hearts
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I just am....forever and ever and ever.
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Mark T
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 03:27:03 PM »

I have to add my "wow" too. What an interesting story and so inspiring too - thanks.

Since January we have evolved from feeding kibble to feeding wet food and now to supplementing 30% -50% of that with raw food. Eventually, we want to go 100% raw when we are sure we are providing all the nutrients our kitties need.

But we have already noticed a difference in their activity level, they are happier, and their fur is so sleek and healthy looking. Our black cat's fur has improved the most since he used to have dandruff. That is gone now and his fur has a gorgeous sheen to it. He plays like a kitten again and we are truly amazed. I don't know if this can be completely  attributed to his new diet but I cannot think of anything else.

The most noticeable change is that they go wild when I take out a container of food, they jump up on the counter which they never used to do. (Not that we are particularly pleased at this, especially if they have recently been in the litter box!)

Eventually we want to send a sample of our raw food with supplements for testing to see how complete it is. As far as cost goes, it is equivalent or slightly cheaper than feeding Natures Variety foods.
Auntie Crazy
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 08:02:27 PM »

What wonderful responses, thank you, everyone! I'm am very gratified to know that something of what I've gone through may help someone else make the change to a healthier diet for their kitties; it totally makes my day.

Petslave - I hope you do make the switch! It's a learning experience, for sure, but so very much worth the effort.

In the wild, cats typically don't eat the stomach and intestines of their prey unless they're very, very hungry. My cats had never had mice before so they ate the whole animal the first couple of times, which is how long it took them to figure out they don't like the middle parts. Being the well fed, spoiled little kitties they are, they simply stopped eating once they hit that middle part.  Roll Eyes  I now gut the mice for the kittens and cut them down even more for the older cats. The kittens chow down, no problem, but Rachel and Meghan still won't touch the mice and Allen has decided his sisters are onto something and will no longer eat them either. *silly kitties* I'm working on it, though; I intend to have them eating (gutted) mice at least one meal a week.

As to the squirrels, I haven't come across anything in my research to make me worried, but I will read up on TSE. And I no longer think twice about hugging, squeezing, kissing or cuddling my kitties, before, during or after they eat.  Grin

3catkidneyfailure - I hope you will read more on the FNES site, and that you are reassured as to the value of feeding a natural diet. If I can help in any way, please let me know. Feel free to pm me if you like.

Lesliek - Let us know how it goes, ok? 

JustMe - Decent canned food is what, about a buck per 5.5 ounces? That translates to $3 per pound. Any raw product you purchase that's less than $3 per pound is going to be cheaper (and, of course, healthier!) than canned. I buy organ and heart products for around $1.25 / lb, turkey for $1.29 / lb, chicken for $.59 / lb and pork and beef for about $2.29 / lb. Many of the canned products I was originally feeding were considerably more than a $1 per can, so, for me, the savings has been huge.

All of my products are purchased from grocery stores and wholesale clubs; organic foods are nice but not necessary. Stay away from pre-ground meats (hamburger, etc.) as they have a larger and faster growing bacterial load, and be careful that none of the meats you buy are "enhanced" with marinades or the like.

If you can, JustMe, try not to cook your cats' food. It removes/destroys many of the nutrients that makes raw so healthy for them. If you do cook, you will have to supplement those nutrients back into their meals. So save yourself some money, time and cleaning and just don't cook it.   :-)  (And never microwave the food, even for a second - nutrients begin to degrade as soon as the microwave comes on.)

AND THANKS! for the new raw-food section!!! Awesome idea!

As for the calculations, it's been established that a feline's natural diet consists of about 80% meat, 10% bone, 5% liver and 5% other secreting organs. As long as those guidelines are followed, there's no need to try to figure out how much taurine is in one meal, what the level of B vitamins is in another. All that work's already been covered and resulted in the aforementioned formula.

The only calculations I had to perform were from the "how many ounces per meal" perspective, which is described in the article.

Incidentally, taurine is probably no more necessary than other nutrients, enzymes, etc., found in a cat's natural diet, it's just a better-researched and more widely-known issue. Most raw feeders are aware that the more a muscle works, the higher its' taurine content - so thigh meats are a better source of taurine than breast meats and hearts, naturally, have the highest content. Anyone concerned with taurine levels (for instance, folks who feed a lot of ground meals) can just feed more of these higher-content meats. Insects are a good source of taurine, too, 'though not everyone is able to feed them due to the squeamish factor. *chuckle*

MarkT - I totally understand your amazement. Over and over again, I am struck by the leap in energy and playfulness my cats displayed after I started feeding them raw. I wasn't even looking for a difference at the time because they were only getting one raw meal a day, but it jumped out at me. And once I went fully raw, well...... just ask my downstairs neighbor if there's been a difference. (You might want to brace yourself first, though. LOL!)

Thank you again, everyone, for your very kind words! I love the itchmo forums and to hear you say such nice things about something I wrote is very cool indeed.   Grin
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 08:18:58 PM »

     Your story was very interesting, and, although, feeding raw does not appeal to me for many reasons, I'm glad that you and your kitties are happy with it!  Wishes for good health for all of them for many years to come!   Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 09:35:34 PM »

AC, I haven't read all of your article yet because of thunderstorms every two hours Sad and other time constraints, but what I read was very engrossing and well done. Wishing you and your cats well, will finish reading as soon as I can.
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