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Cato
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« on: November 21, 2009, 09:37:00 PM »

This is a fairly easy raw recipe to transition a cat used to eating commercial wet food.  Cato has done many taste-tests on this and approves  Grin

First Steps To Raw
(Simple Chicken and Squash Blend)

Food Ingredients:

4 pcs      Chicken thighs, raw, skinless, deboned
2 oz      Beechnut Butter Squash Baby Food Stage 2
2/3 Cup   Spring water

Supplements:

¼ tsp      Eggshell powder      
1 cap      Cod Liver Oi (use one with 1250 IU Vit A and 135 IU Vit D)l
1 tab      B-50
500mg    Taurine

Preparation:

1.  For the microb-phobic  Grin  Sterilize the raw chicken thighs by dipping in boiling water 10  15 seconds.  For the strong at heart, just wash the skinless drumsticks under cold running water (which is what I do).

2.  Chop or dice the meat in preparation for the food processor.  Place raw meat in a stainless or glass bowl and refrigerate while you prepare the supplements.

3.  In a small bowl, combine baby food, eggshell powder, taurine, B-50 and cod liver oil.  Add a little water and whisk ingredients with a fork to mix thoroughly and evenly.

4.  Combine supplement slurry with chopped chicken thighs.   Mix and stir ingredients well.  Pour this mixture into a food blender, using water to help process the food.  Blend until mixture resembles a thick sauce. 

5.  Portion into 2 oz servings.  Freeze what will not immediately be used.

Recipe makes around 2 cups or 8 portions of 2 oz each.

As Fed: 
Protein:    12.37%
Fat:      2.46%
Carb:      1.02%
Fiber:     0.11%
Ash:     0.59%
Water:    71%

Each 2 oz portion contains:

Calories:     44.6 kcal
-   from Protein 66%
-   from Fats  28%
-   from Carb  6%

DM Basis:
Protein:   7 g      74.46%
Fat:      1.4g      14.86%
Carb:      0.6 g      6.3%
Ash:      0.4 g       4.2%
Total:        9.4g

Phosphorus Load:  0.63%

Nutrition Assessment of this recipe from Nutrition Data:
This food is a good source of Calcium, Phosphorus and Selenium, and a very good source of Protein, Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12 and Pantothenic Acid.








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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 09:11:57 AM »

Cato GREAT JOB:)...
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 01:18:17 PM »

Thats easy enough for anyone to try !
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 05:41:51 AM »

I'd like to try this but have have a couple of total newbie questions:

1) Can I use a regular kitchen blender or would it be better to buy and learn how to use a food processor to make raw food ?   

2) What microwave power/time setting do you use to thaw/reheat the frozen left overs without over cooking or overheating it ?

3) Does anyone use something like Platinum Performance for all the supplements ?   If so, how much per oz of food ?
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 07:40:30 AM »

I find a food processor works a lot better than a blender. Can't put as much in a blender & its harder to control texture & get the food out. I've never tried any all in 1 supplements but several others here have. As for defrosting,I usually try to make the raw into meal sized portions & just defrost it enough to break apart & have no icy areas. For meatball sized portions for my 5 [including a big dog] it takes about 2 1/2 minutes on defrost[ power level 3]. Then I break them apart in the bowls with a fork. They don't seem to mind raw being colder than I serve their cooked food. I usually arrange the balls of frozen raw in a circle on a plate with a few in the middle & move them around after a minute before finishing.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 10:31:06 AM »

Hi rbauer:  Good on you to attempt the tansition to raw.  IN time, you'll be rewarded - you'll see.  Ok: to your questions:

1.  I use an ordinary kitchen blender for recipes like this - often just the small quick blend one if I am not doing a very very big batch.  Works OK for me.

2.  Lesleik probably has the right answers for you on microwave thawing.  I've never thawed chicken meant for cat food in the microwave - I just thaw it overnight in the fridge.

3.  You are better off using a kitty multi-mineral-vitamin supplement especially formulated for cats rather than one meant for humans. Usually, some one the minerals in human multi-vit-min supplements are too high for cats plus they do not contain Taurine, which is a MUST.  Also, please, pase remember that the eggshell powder is NEVER an optional ingredient in my recipes.  If you have another calcium source to balance the phosphorus in the meat (i.e., calcium lactate, calcium citrate, etc), then you need to let me know so I can calculate how much to put.  I wanted the recipe really really simple and complete and eggshell is the simplest calcium source in the ordinary kitchen.

If you like, pick a good kitty multi-vit-min supplement like VetriScience.  Make the recipe with all the food ingredients and eggshell powder only. Then give your cat 1 - 2 tabs of the multi-vit either with his food or as a treat.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 11:38:58 AM »

I imagine rbauer is asking about Feline Platinum Performance.

I've not ever used it, but am concerned with whey protein, soy flour, pine bark ?, and other ingredients I don't understand.   Maybe someone else is more familiar with this supplement.

http://www.platinumperformance.com/animal/feline/products/productcategories/product.cfm?category_id=310
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 03:57:19 PM »

Oh - thanks Spartycats - never heard of that multi-vit.  So may around these days.   Cheesy  Your post may answer rbauers question
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 05:17:47 AM »

Last night I made Cato's raw chicken recipe exactly as listed and my cat ate it right up !   Absolutely no finickyness and licked the bowl clean.   I'm going to keep making this.

Thank you very much Cato.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 12:54:28 PM »

Last night I made Cato's raw chicken recipe exactly as listed and my cat ate it right up !   Absolutely no finickyness and licked the bowl clean.   I'm going to keep making this.

Thank you very much Cato.

 I am gratified that your kitty liked the recipe!  Makes all the calculations worth while  Grin  Thank you for posting. This is the kind of feedback that encourages me  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 09:48:52 PM »

Thanks for the new recipe - I'm really looking forward to trying it!  I've been wanting to get Rudi on raw food and try to slim him down very gradually.  Some of the other cats like raw too so I'll just feed them raw one meal and cooked the next.  This one looks quick and simple. 

Substitutions questions -

can I put in some very lightly cooked liver instead of cod liver oil?  If so, how much is needed?

if I use calcium citrate in place of eggshell, how much do I need?  I have a terrible time keeping enough ground eggshell around for the pets' recipes.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2009, 10:42:08 PM »

If you can avoid using the microwave, that would probably be best, as it begins cooking the food (and destroying nutrients) as soon as it comes on.

Page 13 of the USDA's Handling Frozen/Thawed Meat and Prey Items Fed to Captive Exotic Animals states, “This method is to be used only when the food will be immediately transferred for consumption but is not preferred."
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2009, 11:20:08 PM »

Thanks for the new recipe - I'm really looking forward to trying it!  I've been wanting to get Rudi on raw food and try to slim him down very gradually.  Some of the other cats like raw too so I'll just feed them raw one meal and cooked the next.  This one looks quick and simple.  

Substitutions questions -

can I put in some very lightly cooked liver instead of cod liver oil?  If so, how much is needed?

if I use calcium citrate in place of eggshell, how much do I need?  I have a terrible time keeping enough ground eggshell around for the pets' recipes.

Yes - you can substitute lightly cooked liver for cod liver oil.  A general rule of thumb with liver is no more than 30 grams per cat per week (not that something terrible will happen immediately if you went a little over or under).  For this recipe, which is a mere 276 grams in actual chicken meat, you may add only 25 - 30 grams of liver, no more.  Remember that adding liver will raise the phos level (liver is high in pho).  So, let's say you add 30 grams of liver.  That will bring the phos level up to 610mg.  Amount of elemental calcium needed to bring the phos-cal ratio at 1:1.2 is 732mg.

4,762mg calcium citrate = 1000mg elemental calcium

so, if my math is correct, you need to add 3,485mg calcium citrate to this recipe.  If that seems quite a lot to you, remember that 1tsp eggshell powder is around 5000mg calcium which contains around 1,800-2000mg elemental (usable) calcium.  

Also, you can use babyfood peas instead of squash, if your kitties prefer peas (as Cato does).  

Hope this helps.  And ys - this recipe is a breeze to make compared to Kaffe-Kuff-Kuff raw recipe with the bone in!  Ayyyy... takes me hours to make a one month batch!

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2009, 07:32:43 AM »

Cato, I like the simplicity of your recipe too and I shall try it for our one stubborn kibble kitty.

I too would like to use liver in place of the cod liver oil and replacing with 25 to 30 gms makes sense as it is around 10% of the meat.

But I have a question about your general rule of no more than 30gms of liver per week. Most raw recipes are around 6-10% of the meat weight in liver, do you think this is too high?

Or stated another way, your recipe comes to about 464 gms. My cats eat about 3% of their weight per day =  150gms/day or 1050 gms/wk. So 30 gms liver per week would be less than 5% of the meat weight in liver.




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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2009, 08:43:00 AM »

But I have a question about your general rule of no more than 30gms of liver per week. Most raw recipes are around 6-10% of the meat weight in liver, do you think this is too high?

Or stated another way, your recipe comes to about 464 gms. My cats eat about 3% of their weight per day =  150gms/day or 1050 gms/wk. So 30 gms liver per week would be less than 5% of the meat weight in liver.

The average liver percentage of prey animals is 5%, and that is the standard recommendation for liver in a cat's diet. Tissue Percentage of Common Prey and Nutrient Composition of Whole Vertebrate Prey

We've talked about vegetables before... cats actually have no biological need for veggies, grains or fruits and cannot, in fact, effectively digest them (it does their bodies no good to try, either). You guys might want to think about losing those products for additional meat.
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