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31  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: What's Killing Our Pets? Are There Toxins In Pet Food? Poor Nutrients? on: July 20, 2008, 02:38:46 PM
Add my stash to the list of stashes!!

What happens if cyanuric acid is mixed with the chemicals used in rendering remember the Darling rendering recall? Could this become a toxic cocktail? With chemicals otherthan melamine?
32  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results on: July 20, 2008, 02:31:04 PM
If a pet food is labeled that it contains lamb meal   and the pet food company purchased the lamb meal from another source . Would the pet food company need to state on their label what the company where they purchased the lamb meal stated on their label?

Also could the chemicals used in rendering be come a poisonous  cocktail when mixed with cyanuric acid?
33  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results on: July 18, 2008, 05:33:26 PM
catbird
Very well said. If someone were to test products from other companys that changed their recall dates I wonder what those tests would show?
34  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results on: July 18, 2008, 04:33:33 PM
Carol I am glad you starteed this post. IMHO the test shows there was a problem long before the recalls started. What  other information have the pet food companys with held from the consumers?
35  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results on: July 18, 2008, 03:53:50 PM
If Nutro's recall was for all dates, how can the latest canned cat food tested be called pre-recall? Instead wouldn't the test elude to the company knew of a pre -existing problem and as a knowledge of this made the recall for all dates. Have any other companys at first recalled some dates and then changed the recall to all dates?
36  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: High-end foods save you money in the long run (it's not just my opinion) on: July 09, 2008, 04:37:53 PM
The best high end food for my pets is IMHO what I can also eat!! They love fresh food raw or home cooked!!!
37  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: The Latest from Consumer Affairs Re: Nutro on: July 07, 2008, 06:16:33 PM
Offy I read your post 91 and went OMG!!

This is a very interesting web site
http://www.all-creatures.org/cb/a-gefood-ingred.html

38  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit on: July 07, 2008, 05:04:31 PM
Lesliek Have you thought about using your states dept of Ag & Mkts. for testing? Also ewg.org is testing perhaps they would test your food for nothing and  it sounds like they are able to test for more potential problems at one time.

39  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit on: July 06, 2008, 04:49:58 PM
Wouldn't we all just like the truth from the pet food companys? What are the long term effects from the variety of ingredients that made our  pets ill?

Lesliek It sounds like you are being harressed. Maybe you could have the sender arrested? HaHa!
40  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: Link between canine cardiomyopathy and lamb meal and rice diets? on: June 29, 2008, 04:42:29 PM
http://nationalrenderers.org/assets/essential_rendering_pet_food.pdf

"Lamb meal is a species-specific category of meat meal, but, very little data
are available in the public domain on the ingredient itself. Analytically, lamb meal
mirrors the nutrient composition of meat (and bone) meal. Likewise, the protein
quality of lamb meal is reported to be roughly comparable to meat and bone meal
and about 75 percent of chicken by-product meal (Johnson and Parsons, 1997;
Johnson et al., 1998). In the study by Johnson et al. (1998), ileal digestibility of the
essential amino acids lysine and threonine and the nonessential sulfur amino acid
cystine were quite low in the lamb meal-containing diets. This may be due to
contamination of the lamb meal with high levels of wool. Wool is high in sulfur
amino acids like cystine, but its nutritional availability is low. This poor availability
of cystine, a taurine precursor, may explain the taurine-associated dilated
cardiomyopathy in certain breeds of dogs fed an otherwise nutritionally complete
diet based on lamb meal and rice (Fascetti et al., 2003).


What caught my eye was the sentence stating the contamination of the lamb meal with high levels of wool (hair).  It sounds like the hair is a poor source of cystine , a taurine precursor.  I remember reading several posts where hair was found in meals or treats . It sounds as if when they render these dead animals everything is thrown in the pot.
41  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: Do any forum readers PERSONALLY have problems with Nutro Food?? on: June 27, 2008, 06:56:21 PM
Mcfumbler We are so sorry about your loss.

It is hard when youthink you are doing the best thing for your pet and find out later about the problems others have had qith pet foods.
42  General Pet Information / Pet News / Re: Rescue Ink - Tattooed, in-your-face pet defenders on: June 04, 2008, 05:37:49 PM
I had the opportunity to meet these guys 2 weeks ago and they are wonderful human beings. They do rescue  and travel to different animal happenings.

A very wonderful man took pictures of them with my little rescued cocker , Patsy. Patsy had to have both eyes removed due to untreated glaucoma . One eye was cone shaped and she also suffered from cherry eye. Patsy had been bred every heat and when she needed medical attention the mill operators wouldn't spend the money on her. She is  now a canine good citizen and loves to volunteer in a nursing home. She will be 11 next month. She has been with me 18 months.

Several of the guys from RescueInk sat down with her on the floor. You could see a lot of emotion in their faces, as they held her and petted her.

If I knew how to post pictures I would try and post them . 
43  Other/Misc / Off Topic (No Politics) / Re: Truckers Shutdown: May 1 & 5 - Support for American Citizens Needed on: May 31, 2008, 12:54:10 PM
Thanks for the info Trudy! That is a great idea. Can they put equipment on the trucks that records how fast they are going? If they can maybe it needs to be a state law that all  tractor trailers need to be equiped with these.
44  Other/Misc / Off Topic (No Politics) / Re: Truckers Shutdown: May 1 & 5 - Support for American Citizens Needed on: May 31, 2008, 12:24:19 PM
Yes truckers are hurting, so are many other people. The difference IMO is the majority of the people aren't breaking the law.In my area the truckers seem to have no regard for speed limits, weight limits etc. Wouldn't it seem logical to drive a slower speed to save on fuel instead of 60 plus miles pe hour in a 55 mph zone?

I spoke to one of the emergency coordinators for my county after the fatal accident near my house. The emergency co-ordinator said they had disscussed at the accident scene what could be done to prevent more accidents. One of the things discussed  was the need to force these trucks to slow down. Where I live the speed limit is 55. The trucks owned by this company have been going by my house at speeds if radared would probably be close to 80-90 miles per hour. All it would take is for our local police to set up radar traps and ticket these guys. Occassionally the state police set up weigh stations and ticket some of them on my road.

Even though the trucking companys driver was involved in a fatal accident that a wonderful young man lost his life . This trucking companys drivers continue to drive by my house at extremely fast speeds. They have been seen doing this on other roads also. Perhaps we in our neighborhood need to call the police on these drivers every time we see them being careless or speeding.
45  Other/Misc / Off Topic (No Politics) / Re: Truckers Shutdown: May 1 & 5 - Support for American Citizens Needed on: May 29, 2008, 03:56:27 PM
Where I live  in new york state  on secondary roads we have alot of horse and buggy traffic and and bikers. The roads are old and in need of repair . These trukers drive these routes as short cuts, many of them hauling nyc garbage to up state landfills. I have yet to see them put nyc garbage on grocert store shelves.

Some of the other trucks are hauling stone and other materials , they are only using our roads as shortcuts to avoid paying thruway fees . Several of the garbage trucks have caught on fire , one tipped over and literaaly trashed my neighbors yard.

Yesterday one of these trucks that probaly should have been on another route collided with an suv driven by 20 year old young man , whom may have fallen asleep. The young man was killed. These truckers from the same company were seen in a local city today using a street that said no trucks. We aren't against trucking , we don't want these trucks that ignore speed limits , ignore no truck signs in our neigborhood. Oh in that city the police were pulling the trucks over weighing them , checking log books etc.
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