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1  General Pet Information / Law and Politics About Pets / Re: Why We Keep Getting Beat by the Industries on: May 23, 2008, 02:47:44 PM
Re: "Seems like vets are already liable for bills due to malpractice if you can prove it."

I wish that were true, Klondike -- and it is theoretically, but not in practice.   Because to prove it, of course, you have to take them to court.  The amount you would spend far exceeds any amount you could recover.  Example:  One of the largest malpractice verdicts in teh country was Bluestone v. Bergstrom in California.  The owner was awarded $39,000.  Guess how much he spent prosecuting the case?  Over $300,000.  Suing for vet malpractice is impossible for all but the richest of the rich, and even then you would not do it to get back your expenses, you would do it to prove a point (since what you would spend on bringing the suit would just put you further in the hole.)

Also, I believe that most people believe that malpractice suits have driven up the cost of insurance because, we the public, have been midled to believe this by repetitive marketing paid for by the medical lobby and the politicians they have put in office.  It is insurance Co profits that are the big problem. 

In fact, only a fraction of the individuals harmed by medical malpractice ever bring a lawsuit.  Depending on which source you believe, medical "care" gone wrong is either the third-leading cause of death in the US, or the 8th leading cause of death.  If its that bad for humans who have the alternative of a lawsuit, you can only imagine how bad it is for pets who have no legal rights.

The damage caps on malpractice that are sweeping the country have merely made medical institutions, researches, pharmaceutical cos, and others less likely to take steps to reduce life-threatening drug reactions, malpractice, etc.  It has put profit over people's wellbeing.  That's my belief, based on research I have done. 

Thanks for your kind words about the Toonces Project and support for a national veterinary quality database.  Also, I agree w/you that PETA is not a terrorist group.  I don't agree with a lot of what they do, but the AETA was passed by anti-animal people and mostly the brainchild of the biomedical research industries in the wake of the exposure of Huntington Life Sciences unspeakable cruelty to "laboratory beagles."
2  General Pet Information / Against Animal Abuse and Cruelty / The Tennessee Vet Board Gave Evil Vet Baber his License Back on: May 23, 2008, 02:38:42 PM
See http://news.aol.com/story/_a/vet-accused-of-inhumane-animal/n20080425115009990005

This is an outrage.

Itchmo covered this monster who was killing shelter animals by injecting them into the heart with no sedative or anesthesia as they struggled and cried.   This method of euthanasia, when done without sedative or anesthesia as Baber did, has been deemed inhumane by the AVMA.

http://www.itchmo.com/tennessee-vet-faces-criminal-charges-for-euthansia-method-4466#more-4466

http://www.itchmo.com/tennessee-vet-that-used-cruel-euthanasia-methods-has-license-suspended-4253

http://www.itchmo.com/tennessee-vets-license-reinstated-3845

http://www.itchmo.com/board-temporarily-suspends-tennessee-vets-license-due-to-illegal-euthanasia-method-3795

http://www.itchmo.com/sheriffs-office-to-investigate-illegal-euthanasia-methods-by-tennessee-vet-3776

http://www.itchmo.com/tennessee-veterinarian-uses-cruel-and-illegal-euthanasia-method-3710
3  General Pet Information / Law and Politics About Pets / Why We Keep Getting Beat by the Industries on: May 18, 2008, 12:03:40 PM
I just read yesterday that in two more states, legislation to allow recovery of damages (non-economic in one case, and I believe economic in another) for the killing or injury of a pet has been DEFEATED.  Not surprisingly the VETERINARY associations come out hard to fight these bills that woudl allow owners, in most cases to recover modest amounts either for veterinary expenses or for loss of a pet. 

It is because the veterinarians and the industries (pet food, etc) fight these provisions that they are defeated, and who benefits?  THE ANIMAL ABUSERS.  Yes, you can thank the veterinarians and the pet food industry the next time somebody's neighbor kills their dog, and they can't recover any damages.  The vets and PFI, while protecting their own economic interests, are also making it impossible for us to see stiffer penalties for animal abuse and murder.  They are ORGANIZED lobbies who give BIG BUCKS to politicians and PURCHASE the defeat of these bills, which undoubtedly would be supported by the public.  It's veterinarians and PFI who keep arguing that YOUR PET IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PIECE OF WORTHLESS PROPERTY, like a depreciated toaster oven.

How can they keep beating down this legislation when surely, public sentiment would be on our side?

IT IS BECAUSE PET LOVERS have not formed a lobby.  We do not give money to politicians.  We are not an organized force.  If we were, we would CREAM these people.  But we're not.

I'm very happy Defend Our Pets is out there, but DOP seems focused on the pet food thing exclusively.  The poison pet food and the companies that profit from killing our pets that way are a big part of the puzzle, and are a major problem.  But so is negligence by those we pay to provide service to our pets -- veterinarians, groomers, etc.   

I think we need a PET LOVERS LOBBY.  I say "Pet Lovers" instead of "Pet Owners" because there are many breeder associations out there, CFA, etc, working HARD to defeat bills that would give our pets greater value in the eyes of the law.  They argue this based on PROPERTY RIGHTS, "OWNERS" rights.  So I am not talking about all PET OWNERS, some of whom desire only to exploit and profit from the animals they "own."

I am talking about PET LOVERS.  Those people who LOVE their pets and feel that they should have value in the eyes of the law -- even if it is only referred value as a result of being loved by us.

HSUS, PETA all those big organizations -- they care only about the scores of nameless, faceless animals.  They advocate for food animals, circus animals, zoo animals, and lab animals. 

But when it comes to fighting against veterinary malpractice for example, they are deliberately silent.  And I have been told by a rep of HSUS that even though they know vet mal is a problem, THEY WON'T take it on PRECISELY because they "need" vets to help them on those "larger" issues -- e.g., circus animals, farm animals, lab animals, etc.

What does that mean?

All those animals -- circus animals, farm animals, lab animals -- have legal advocates protecting them.

Our pets HAVE NO ONE.  NO ORGANIZED LOBBY to protect them, advocate for them.

Do you think that most pet "owners" are pet lovers?  Do you think that pet lovers would join forces to become an ORGANIZED LOBBY on behalf of our pets? 

If we did, we would have the POWER to REFORM the PFI, and HOLD VETS accountable, and this would establish precedent that would INCREASE punishment for animal cruelty of all kinds when committed upon "owned" animals.

Would YOU join such a lobby?

Stefani Olsen
The Toonces Project
http://www.TheTooncesProject.com
"Is Your Pet Safe at the Vet?"
4  Pet Behavior and Health Questions / Veterinary and Medications / New Blog Gives Information on Bad Vets - http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com on: May 17, 2008, 04:27:34 PM
Hello Itchmo-ites!

This is Stefani, formerly a frequent poster to Itchmo and creator the The Toonces Project website (http://www.TheTooncesProject.com).  My interest is in veterinary malpractice -- few owners realize how many dangerous, negligent practices are going on at the vets.

I recently started a blog called the Bad Vet Daily which features real stories about real veterinarians taken from public record.  I urge you to visit it and see the kinds of things that really go on at the vets.

There are many types of procedures that seem particularly prone to things going wrong, and negligence can be a huge issue.  These procedures include spays.  Also, there are bloat cases, diabetic mishandling, failure to monitor patients after surgery, and veterinarians with anger management issues (hitting patients on the head, blowing up at fellow staff members, etc).  Also another vet like the infamous doctor Baber, who kills patients by shooting the fatal solution directly into their hearts without any anesthetic -- and in this case, it was a persons beloved pet, and they saw it happen.  There are vets still practising after having been convicted of cruelty to animals.  There are bad vets in California, Michigan, Minnesota, Virginia, Maryland, Texas, Maine, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Ohio, New York, and more. 

Here are some of the worst:

http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com/2008/03/cat-stabbed-in-heart-with-euth-needle.html

http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com/2008/02/indescrib.html

http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com/2008/03/beware-of-vets-who-rack-up-disciplinary.html

http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com/2008/02/euthanasia-by-brain-injection.html

http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com/2008/02/todays-bad-vet_22.html

We all need to be skeptical guardians for our pets, asking questions and assessing the care provided to them.  I am learning a lot by writing this blog, and I hope it helps other people become better advocates for their pets as well as identifying some of the vets we maybe should stay away from.

Visit the Bad Vet Daily -- http://badvetdaily.blogspot.com
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