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1  Other/Misc / Off Topic (No Politics) / Re: Happy Thanksgiving, Itchmo forums on: November 26, 2008, 09:54:27 PM
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. 

Today I am thankful for the two pups who share my life.  They are the source of great joy, companionship and love. 
I am thankful to know the truth. 
I am always thankful for those who have encouraged me, helped me research and have been there to help carry the burden.
Donna

2  Other/Misc / Recall (Non-Pet Food) / Re: (Melamine Suspected) Chinese Officials Say Baby Formula Tied to Kidney Stones on: October 28, 2008, 11:58:19 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/health/28kidn.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Published: October 27, 2008

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A Rise in Kidney Stones Is Seen in U.S. Children

To the great surprise of parents, kidney stones, once considered a disorder of middle age, are now showing up in children as young as 5 or 6.

While there are no reliable data on the number of cases, pediatric urologists and nephrologists across the country say they are seeing a steep rise in young patients. Some hospitals have opened pediatric kidney stone clinics.

. . . . . . . . .

The increase in the United States is attributed to a host of factors, including a food additive that is both legal and ubiquitous: salt.

Forty to 65 percent of kidney stones are formed when oxalate, a byproduct of certain foods, binds to calcium in the urine. (Other common types include calcium phosphate stones and uric acid stones.) And the two biggest risk factors for this binding process are not drinking enough fluids and eating too much salt; both increase the amount of calcium and oxalate in the urine.


This ran in the NY Times and was carried in papers across the US. 

While they mention the milk in China tainted with melamine, there is no connection made to the issues in the US.   But, it really makes you wonder if they are limiting their research to what everyone assumes is in the food instead of finding out if there is anything else there that possibly should not be.   

3  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: Pets for the Environment - EWG: Pet Food Testing Project on: October 14, 2008, 08:32:22 PM
When I have contacted labs, most have been very open.  When asked if they tested for "X", most would reply we don't test for it here, but can have the testing done for you. 

Very early on in the discovery on my previously purchased brand I asked a private lab that tested for PF companies if they tested for acet.  They responded they did not test for it, but could send it for testing at another lab.   
4  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: Pets for the Environment - EWG: Pet Food Testing Project on: October 14, 2008, 04:21:27 PM
Leslie,
The interesting aspect would be if the specific lab being questioned actually does the testing in their lab.  Some labs will state they can test for a substance, but they actually outsource the analysis to another lab for that specific test. 
5  Pet Behavior and Health Questions / Help With My Sick Pet / Re: Lesliek's little Remy needs prayers on: October 08, 2008, 09:07:48 AM
Prayers continue for Remy, especially for a normal poo.  Will also continue to pray for answers.  I know the frustration of numerous tests and no answers.  At least they seem to be checking everything possible.   

One would think someone in this industry (pf mfg., veterinary/research, govt. agency, etc.) would have/get a conscience and want to do the right thing for our companions.  I suppose their profits will continue to result in denial and silence.

Thoughts are with you, too, Leslie.
6  Pet Behavior and Health Questions / Help With My Sick Pet / Re: Lesliek's little Remy needs prayers on: October 06, 2008, 08:13:12 PM
Our prayers continue for Remy.  I understand the frustration and heartache.  We will pray for the knowledge and skill of the vets and their staff in diagnosing and treating Remy.  Prayers for you, too.
Donna
7  Pet Behavior and Health Questions / Help With My Sick Pet / Re: Lesliek's little Remy needs prayers on: October 06, 2008, 04:01:30 PM
Leslie,
Please know our thoughts and prayers are with Remy and with you.  Hopefully, you will find answers and assistance at the ER.  Please let us know.
Donna C
8  General Pet Information / Law and Politics About Pets / Re: EWG - PETS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT on: September 17, 2008, 07:53:39 PM

And they're also doing research on ingredients (kinda like me, but sciency-er) and possible health effects that could be linked to the chemicals they found. "


Of all the people I have spoken with since January, 2007 - these are the two questions that haunt every one of us -- exactly what have our pets been exposed to and what are the long-term effects on their health. 

Has ANY pet food company, manufacturer, government agency or the PFI offered any assistance in answering these questions?  Have they shown any real concern about the health of our pets?   

From all of their denials; their silence; their threats, lies and accusations against consumers, as noted in the many posts on this forum, I would say the answer is "NO!" 

9  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Making a Difference / FDA Allows Irradiation of Spinach & Lettuce on: September 05, 2008, 01:20:39 PM
Received this update today through a state organics association:


FDA Allows Irradiation of Spinach & Lettuce

Effective August 22, the Food and Drug Administration now permits irradiation of conventionally grown spinach and lettuce to extend shelf-life and control food-borne pathogens. Written or electronic objections to this amendment of the food additive regulations can be submitted by September 22, 2008.

http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/E8-19573.htm

DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES  --  Food and Drug Administration

21 CFR Part 179

[Docket No. FDA-1999-F-2405] (formerly 1999F-5522)

 Irradiation in the Production, Processing and Handling of Food

ACTION: Final rule.
..........
SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is amending the food additive regulations to provide for the safe use of ionizing radiation for control of food-borne pathogens, and extension of shelf-life, in fresh iceberg lettuce and fresh spinach (hereinafter referred to in this document as ``iceberg lettuce and spinach'') at a dose up to 4.0 kiloGray (kGy).
...........
Based on the totality of the evidence, FDA concludes that irradiation of iceberg lettuce and spinach under the conditions proposed in this petition does not present a toxicological hazard.
..........

Toxicological Considerations

The available information from the results of chemical reactions described in section II.A of this document suggests that there is no reason to suspect a toxicological hazard due to consumption of an irradiated food.

10  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: Special Kitty Kibble-Local Pet Owner Blames Food For Cat's Death- WSB Atlanta on: August 16, 2008, 02:46:02 PM

So, I really take consumer affairs with a very....very...small grain of salt. 


For those of us who have had pets sickened or killed by pet food; and for those of us who paid our own money (or donated money) to have pet food tested with discoveries of positive detections of contaminants/toxins; and for those of us who have diligently continued our own research in this matter because we had no assistance from the PFI, FDA, AAFCO, and in some cases, the vet community itself, I take consumer commentary seriously.   


How many of those consumers actually contacted the company in question?  I'm sure that any company under fire would do whatever they have to do to make it right. 


That is a very naïve statement.  A company has the responsibility to safeguard shareholder value.  It’s all about revenues and profits and protecting the company trademark. 

Can anyone give me a tally of how many times a concerned PF company has stated “there are no other complaints”? 

And Leslie and I and others will be glad to share our experiences of how a PF company deals with its loyal consumers who (used to) spend their hard-earned money on these products. 

I like many others have the simple question - what caused our pets to get sick and what are the potential long term effects to their health?  No vet can help me or anyone solve that mystery without information from the PF company.  Yet, no answers.
11  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article on: July 23, 2008, 08:50:52 AM

Helen of Louisville KY (07/21/08)
UPDATE: I have been reading the posts concerning Nutro for awhile. I used to work for Nutro as a demonstrator. Not anymore. My confidence in the pet food industry is very badly shaken. Nutro products no longer holds my respect because of how they are handling these complaints. I have not seen this with other premium pet foods I've been in contact with.


That's strange, I cannot recall some of the other premium pet food companies handling complaints or test results any better.  They have:
- accused extortion
- claimed they never received samples from the consumer
- stated the consumer would not respond to their calls
- threatened legal action against the consumer
- stated the laboratory was misinterpreting folic acid as cyanuric acid and/or melamine
- disputed the levels of detection tested for and results obtained by the laboratory
- confirmed there were "no other complaints"

And we are to believe the others have high quality standards, honesty and integrity just because they say so? 


12  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results on: July 20, 2008, 06:41:30 PM

Gee Don I guess I was including the denaturing process and chemicals already in the dead animals. One chemical I found is Birkolene b.

Also remember Ann Martin's book. Aren't chemicals added to this cooked mess of dead animals to make it palatable. I am not an expert just a concerned pet owner!!!


YL,

I think you're correct.  I remember reading this some time ago.  This doesn't include the consideration of pharmaceuticals in dead animals. 


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http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/information-from-recallsorgvet-site-including-melamine-related-t1417.0.html;msg18473#msg18473

You are looking at rendered product, so you might want to consider part of the rendering process.  Since you've been referring to Nebraska and Kansas, I started with Neb. Dept. of Ag. and found this in their "rendering and pet food section" for regulations.  Interesting.

http://www.agr.ne.gov/regulate/bai/tilf.htm

009   Decharacterization.
All inedible meat and carcass parts shall be adequately decharacterized  with an approved agent except where federal meat inspection regulations allow shipment of inedibles to the contrary. The decharacterizing agent must be mixed intimately with all of the material to be decharacterized and must be applied in such quantity and manner that it cannot easily and readily be removed by washing or soaking. A sufficient amount of the appropriate agent shall be used to give the material a distinctive color, odor, or taste so that such material cannot be confused with an article of human food. All inedible meat or carcass parts four inches in diameter or larger shall be freely slashed or sectioned prior to the application of the approved decharacterization agent.

003.07   DECHARACTERIZATION shall mean the uniform application of sufficient quantities of dye, charcoal, malodorous fish oil, acid, or any other agent approved by the Bureau, upon and into freely slashed flesh of processed meat as to unequivocally preclude its use for human food. 

003.08   APPROVED DECHARACTERIZATION AGENT shall mean a decharacterization agent approved for use as such by the Bureau of Animal Industry.

13  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results on: July 19, 2008, 07:28:33 PM

If you are changing a formula and still have old packaging, and haven't quite gotten your new labels, you might go ahead and put a product that is changing to some extent in the old bags – so there could be potentially a short period of time that a product has changed but the labels have not caught up. That's actually not legal, but it certainly has been done.


Not so in the human food industry - if you make a product change, you make a label/packaging change and you do not release the new product into the market until new, updated packaging is in production facilities ready to use.   I’ve seen the release of new products held up when packaging was not ready. 

Something just doesn’t seem right about this concept.  If a company who produces a food product is handling their business in a responsible, ethical, healthy manner, they would have the updated packaging when they are ready to release the product. To place a product in the market, without correct package and labeling gives the appearance of questionable, unsafe business practices. 

Also, I was told it can take up to 6 months for pet food packaging to be updated for something like formula changes.  The comment was they are allowed to use up existing inventory of packaging. 

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...if a manufacturer has changed their product and has not quite gotten their new labels back yet, that does take a bit of time, they are supposed to sticker the bag to indicate such.



So, if a PF Company changes their formula and they are ready to manufacture and distribute in the marketplace for sale to consumers before their new packaging is ready -- then where do the feed trials come in?  That statement would give the appearance the PF companies are changing formulas and distributing for sale prior to sufficient testing in-house to see if there are any problems.  It would also back-up some of the theories discussed here that our pets have been used for feeding trials, and with catastrophic results. 
DonnaC

14  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article on: July 17, 2008, 07:40:05 PM
 
I guess I am kind of surprised at the lack of interest on this.  I kind of thought it was a little more info that helped to answer some questions we had at one point about the ingredients in pet food albeit it also raises questions too.  But, to me, the fact that it is in PRE-recall food at all and it has been proven, is kind of important.  It potentially shows that this ingredient was being brought in through another source rather than ChemNutra


Sandi, it is important that it was detected in pre-recall food.  I think most of us already believed that, even without the proof.  I certainly did.  My dogs were sickened in January, 2007.  I did not test that brand until after the March recall. 

Offy's question is interesting: "Does the amount of cyanuric acid meet/exceed the allowed amounts?"  A rep from the FDA told me that cyanuric acid (and melamine) was NOT approved for use as an ingredient in pet food.  They also said it would be considered "adulteration" of product if used.  So, if cyanuric acid is detected, I would think the FDA would be interested in this "adulteration" of product.   
15  Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article on: July 16, 2008, 08:38:41 AM

Dr. K. called the company himself.  The rep denied there were any problems with the food, told him it was a big internet hoax, and in his words, treated him like a crackpot reporting an alien abduction.


This is no different from Natura's response to us of "no other complaints", "no problems" and Midwest Labs' response that it was a "hoax and propaganda". 


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