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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article
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on: July 25, 2008, 06:42:44 PM
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. . . . have been used to mimic the function of . . . .
A very significant statement. One has to wonder just how many cheap, unhealthy, unsafe substitutes have been used to "mimic" a useful, healthy ingredient. It saves the PF companies money, allows for more profit and who knows what it does to our pets.
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results
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on: July 23, 2008, 07:31:08 PM
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Sandi, you're correct. Unknown toxin test analyzes the sample against a huge library of chemicals/drugs.
In regard to the chemical agents used in denaturing, you would have to check with the lab to see if they are included in the library. I'm not certain they would be. In that case, the lab would have to obtain the standards for that specific compound and set up for testing.
Acetaminophen is a good example - many labs do not test for this. They would either have to obtain the standards and set up for the testing - or - send it to another lab who does test for it.
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article
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on: July 23, 2008, 08:50:52 AM
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Helen of Louisville KY (07/21/08) UPDATE: I have been reading the posts concerning Nutro for awhile. I used to work for Nutro as a demonstrator. Not anymore. My confidence in the pet food industry is very badly shaken. Nutro products no longer holds my respect because of how they are handling these complaints. I have not seen this with other premium pet foods I've been in contact with.
That's strange, I cannot recall some of the other premium pet food companies handling complaints or test results any better. They have: - accused extortion - claimed they never received samples from the consumer - stated the consumer would not respond to their calls - threatened legal action against the consumer - stated the laboratory was misinterpreting folic acid as cyanuric acid and/or melamine - disputed the levels of detection tested for and results obtained by the laboratory - confirmed there were "no other complaints" And we are to believe the others have high quality standards, honesty and integrity just because they say so?
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results
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on: July 20, 2008, 06:41:30 PM
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Gee Don I guess I was including the denaturing process and chemicals already in the dead animals. One chemical I found is Birkolene b.
Also remember Ann Martin's book. Aren't chemicals added to this cooked mess of dead animals to make it palatable. I am not an expert just a concerned pet owner!!!
YL, I think you're correct. I remember reading this some time ago. This doesn't include the consideration of pharmaceuticals in dead animals. http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/information-from-recallsorgvet-site-including-melamine-related-t1417.0.html;msg18473#msg18473You are looking at rendered product, so you might want to consider part of the rendering process. Since you've been referring to Nebraska and Kansas, I started with Neb. Dept. of Ag. and found this in their "rendering and pet food section" for regulations. Interesting. http://www.agr.ne.gov/regulate/bai/tilf.htm009 Decharacterization. All inedible meat and carcass parts shall be adequately decharacterized with an approved agent except where federal meat inspection regulations allow shipment of inedibles to the contrary. The decharacterizing agent must be mixed intimately with all of the material to be decharacterized and must be applied in such quantity and manner that it cannot easily and readily be removed by washing or soaking. A sufficient amount of the appropriate agent shall be used to give the material a distinctive color, odor, or taste so that such material cannot be confused with an article of human food. All inedible meat or carcass parts four inches in diameter or larger shall be freely slashed or sectioned prior to the application of the approved decharacterization agent. 003.07 DECHARACTERIZATION shall mean the uniform application of sufficient quantities of dye, charcoal, malodorous fish oil, acid, or any other agent approved by the Bureau, upon and into freely slashed flesh of processed meat as to unequivocally preclude its use for human food. 003.08 APPROVED DECHARACTERIZATION AGENT shall mean a decharacterization agent approved for use as such by the Bureau of Animal Industry.
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Pet Food Testing / Re: PRE-Recall Pet Food Results
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on: July 19, 2008, 07:28:33 PM
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If you are changing a formula and still have old packaging, and haven't quite gotten your new labels, you might go ahead and put a product that is changing to some extent in the old bags – so there could be potentially a short period of time that a product has changed but the labels have not caught up. That's actually not legal, but it certainly has been done.
Not so in the human food industry - if you make a product change, you make a label/packaging change and you do not release the new product into the market until new, updated packaging is in production facilities ready to use. I’ve seen the release of new products held up when packaging was not ready. Something just doesn’t seem right about this concept. If a company who produces a food product is handling their business in a responsible, ethical, healthy manner, they would have the updated packaging when they are ready to release the product. To place a product in the market, without correct package and labeling gives the appearance of questionable, unsafe business practices. Also, I was told it can take up to 6 months for pet food packaging to be updated for something like formula changes. The comment was they are allowed to use up existing inventory of packaging. ...if a manufacturer has changed their product and has not quite gotten their new labels back yet, that does take a bit of time, they are supposed to sticker the bag to indicate such.
So, if a PF Company changes their formula and they are ready to manufacture and distribute in the marketplace for sale to consumers before their new packaging is ready -- then where do the feed trials come in? That statement would give the appearance the PF companies are changing formulas and distributing for sale prior to sufficient testing in-house to see if there are any problems. It would also back-up some of the theories discussed here that our pets have been used for feeding trials, and with catastrophic results. DonnaC
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article
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on: July 17, 2008, 07:40:05 PM
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I guess I am kind of surprised at the lack of interest on this. I kind of thought it was a little more info that helped to answer some questions we had at one point about the ingredients in pet food albeit it also raises questions too. But, to me, the fact that it is in PRE-recall food at all and it has been proven, is kind of important. It potentially shows that this ingredient was being brought in through another source rather than ChemNutra
Sandi, it is important that it was detected in pre-recall food. I think most of us already believed that, even without the proof. I certainly did. My dogs were sickened in January, 2007. I did not test that brand until after the March recall. Offy's question is interesting: "Does the amount of cyanuric acid meet/exceed the allowed amounts?" A rep from the FDA told me that cyanuric acid (and melamine) was NOT approved for use as an ingredient in pet food. They also said it would be considered "adulteration" of product if used. So, if cyanuric acid is detected, I would think the FDA would be interested in this "adulteration" of product.
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / Your Problems with Pet Food / Re: New Consumer affairs.com/Nutro Article
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on: July 16, 2008, 08:38:41 AM
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Dr. K. called the company himself. The rep denied there were any problems with the food, told him it was a big internet hoax, and in his words, treated him like a crackpot reporting an alien abduction.
This is no different from Natura's response to us of "no other complaints", "no problems" and Midwest Labs' response that it was a "hoax and propaganda".
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: The Latest from Consumer Affairs Re: Nutro
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on: July 07, 2008, 12:01:04 PM
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Interesting article, especially since Nutro is not the only pet food to use this additive. http://www.petfoodindustry.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=21202
Date: 2008-02-04
A functional petfood future
By Jessica Taylor Bond Exploring the imminent roles or prebiotics and probiotics will play in the market
Consumer awareness of probiotics in human foods is currently high, with active culture dairy products the fastest growing food segment in the US. According to Simmons Market Research Bureau, nearly half (48%) of the dog- or cat-owning households in the US seek out natural or eco-friendly products for a total population of 25.1 million pet-owning households. As the natural, holistic and organic segments of petfood gain momentum, probiotics, prebiotics and synbiotics are becoming buzz words in our industry. But just how will they make petfood products function better?
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Kemin Industries Inc. offers a direct fed microbial for the petfood industry developed to withstand certain conditions associated with manufacturing of pet treats and products. "Depending upon the process, Kemin's proprietary strain of Bacillus subtilis has high survivability during manufacturing and while the product is on the shelf," says Charlotte Jacobs, senior vice president of global marketing for Kemin petfood ingredients. "This probiotic is a spore forming bacteria that can withstand tableting in the manufacturing stage. It does not lose its potency while on the shelf, and does not become active until it reaches the dog's gut."
Kemin's proprietary strain of Bacillus subtilis has been demonstrated to support a healthy gut in mongastrics. [Adapted from Vandenkerckhove, et al. (2006) Kemin Technical Publication BB-06-0093]. Kemin's proprietary strain of Bacillus subtilis has also been shown to produce antibacterial agents surfactin A and surfactin B. Controlled tests on hamsters showed the proprietary strain to be as effective in controlling Clostridium difficile associated diarrhea (CDAD) as the antibiotic Vancomycin......
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit
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on: July 06, 2008, 07:17:11 PM
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I still have 2 -32 gallon trash cans full of pf thats still not expired. I only get rid of it when it goes out of date. You never know if someone will need it for testing.
I've been thinking about this one. If a toxin in present in the kibble, then wouldn't a toxin still be present in kibble that may have past its expiration date? I'd hold on to some of it, even if expired.
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit
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on: July 06, 2008, 07:17:15 AM
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The only thing I want is an answer to what made them sick & why 2 of mine have residual urinary problems & my neighbors has stomach problems. They were all fine before.
I agree, along with many, many others -- we want to know what made them sick and what is causing the continued problems and what does the future hold. I've heard this from so many people. Donna C
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit
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on: July 05, 2008, 08:03:58 AM
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I would think there is a better chance of FTC involvement than BBB. There is criteria that has to be met in order for FTC to take action. However, this provides another avenue for pet owners to pursue. It also gets the information filed with another Federal agency. The FTC has a secure online database for entry of consumer complaints. IMO, the truth in advertising aspect is one that deserves consideration. What claims are made in advertising about a specific product? Obviously, they will not address individual consumer complaints, but like with Nutro, the more complaints filed, the more likely to catch their attention.
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Also, look at how a PF company advertises their products; what words do they use to describe the product; how do they entice you to purchase? Recently a member posted how they watched a PF company change their descriptions from “human grade to holistic to high quality” over the last year. There's a reason for that change. All one has to do is look at a company's print ads, TV ads, in-store advertising, package labeling, websites, etc. It's a matter of holding them accountable for what they advertise.
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: April 24, 08 Evanger's FDA Orders Food Maker to Obtain Emerg. Operating Permit
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on: July 05, 2008, 06:59:27 AM
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Leslie, Here’s some thoughts regarding the dog food that Evanger’s continues to send to you. You might contact the Better Business Bureau to file a complaint. I would also consider filing a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission, www.ftc.gov. You actually have two areas to base the complaint on. 1. The fact the company continues to ship product to you even though you have requested them to stop, you have not ordered/requested the product and you do not want their products. I would think this has some relevance to interstate commerce. 2. You can also reference truth in advertising. Your dog was sickened while eating this product. You also have private test results. You obviously would not want to continue feeding the product whether free or not. Truth in advertising requires a company be truthful, non-deceptive and have evidence to back up their claims. If a product makes a claim to health or safety, it has to be supported by “competent and reliable scientific evidence” which means tests or studies evaluated by people qualified to review it. Reference the claims made by Evangers – these are a few from their website, you may have others (on product packaging, print ads, etc.) TREAT YOUR DOG TO NOTHING BUT NATURAL...THE HEALTHY, EVANGER'S WAY!
Complete dog dinners, naturally the best
All over the world, GOLD is the symbol of purity and value and it is no different at Evanger's.
Consistent top quality products and excellent Customer Service are just two of our strong points. Being a small manufacturing company enables us to work closely with our accounts to insure their satisfaction.
Pheasant & Brown Rice Dry Dog Food - Made with Evanger's same superior, high quality nutrition
The FTC handles most matters regarding food advertising and the FDA handles most matters regarding food labeling. The Federal Trade Commission has an on-line form for consumer complaints. You might also want to contact FedEx. You have not ordered or requested the product, have asked the company to stop shipping to you and, more importantly, you do not want the product. Ask FedEx if they have any policies that protect a consumer from receiving unsolicited/unwanted shipments and specifically what you should do the next time a package is left at your door. I know that UPS has a policy for returning unwanted shipments by simply calling the carrier to "return to sender." FedEx has not responded to my inquiries. I agree with your thoughts on receiving the product. If you trash it, it still gives the appearance you "received and kept" their complimentary gift to you. I would return it, but I would also pressure the shipper to return it at Evanger's cost. DonnaC
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Pet Food Info (Menu Foods, Iams, Purina, Hills, Ol'Roy, etc.) / News (Recall Related) / Re: Pet Food Industry
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on: July 03, 2008, 08:18:04 PM
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Another article from the same issue is interesting and timely . . . Insurance: are you covered?
Product recall coverage Product recall coverage shields companies from financial losses suffered as a result of a recall, such as: - the cost of physically removing the product from retailer shelves; - storing or disposing of the product; and - in some cases, the cost of rebuilding the company’s reputation following a recall.
Menu Foods’ petfood recall in 2007, the largest in history, reportedly cost US$50 million. This insurance can sometimes be added to another policy to fill the gap where such claims are excluded. Be aware that most insurance policies allow for coverage of either the purchase price of the affected pet or the veterinary expenses involved – whichever is lowest. ........ Do not accept “no” In the event your company is denied coverage, be persistent. Do not accept “no” for an answer.
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