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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2007, 02:28:57 PM »

A friend of mine in WY just got results on her submission of Canidae's Lamb and Rice mixed with Original, and California Natural's Lamb and Rice Adult mixed with Lamb and Rice Puppy--all dry foods.  The test was done at ExperTox, and the techs got confused and tested both samples together, so we have NO idea what food tested positive--but the test came back positive for acetaminophen.  (She paid for two tests.)  Apparently the amounts were high enough the lab told her to stop feeding both food brands immediately until they can run the separate tests ASAP (probably early next week.)  I'll post more when I know more.  Mary (KS)

Bag dates and numbers:
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Original RM 7/7/07, use by 7/7/08
L&R RM 7/6/07, use by 7/6/08
 
CA Nat puppy:  all that's stamped on sack:  Exp 7/12/08 1544 1
Sadly, the CA Nat Lamb & Rice Adult sack had been discarded, but it was purchased at about the same time (if that helps!)

She had 500 reasons for combining the Canidae and the Cal Nat foods--those tests are $250 each!!!!  Besides, if a company makes one food containing poison, are you really going to trust their other foods?Huh?  Mary again
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2007, 03:52:35 PM »

   I am curious as to why she combined the foods together in the first place? You said she combined the Canidae's Lamb and Rice with the Canidae's Original formula and that the California Natural's Lamb and Rice was mixed with the Lamb and Rice for Puppies. Even if the lab techs had not mixed all the foods together, how would you know which formula tested positive?  Huh
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2007, 04:19:48 PM »

Well here's another dry food that tested positive for acetaminophen. I don't really think it matters as to which one had it at this point but the fact that it is in the dry dog food samples.

Why is acetaminophen in dry dog food?

Makes me wonder if this is the "redacted" 5th ingredient the FDA doesn't want us to know about. Has anyone else seen or heard about this that I may have missed.

Or what happened to the millions of bottles of recalled acetaminophen? Was it diluted to end up as bone meal?
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2007, 04:51:52 PM »

Because I switched from Natura dry to Canidae dry, this information definitely has my full attention.  We do home cook 1/2 of each meal, but since Jake is a toy breed, he may well be more sensitive to poisons than others.  Besides, I know so many people who have their dogs on various Canidae kibbles, if there is any question of current safety perhaps we can pool resources to get testing done.  But otoh, I would want just the specific one variety Jake is eating right now so there would be no question of dilution factor masking acetaminophen or whatever other toxic substance the food might contain.  Since we are also feeding Orijen Adult, I think his dinner tonight will come from that container along w/ the home cooked!  Gee, what next!

If it is the California Natural, I'm going to be more than a bit curious as to the code on the package.  Still feeling guilty about getting friends to switch to Innova and California Natural immediately after the first recalls hit.  I don't like to think I may have sent them right into harm's way.

Was Canidae contacted regarding the findings or will it depend on next sample sent to Expertox?
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2007, 07:45:21 PM »

This is scary ... thanks for keeping us updated, maryd. I hope your friend's pups are OK.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2007, 05:38:34 AM »

Since Natura products have already tested positive for acet. once, let's hope it's them again. In my opinion, it gets a whole lot scarier if it's the Canidae, since that would now be two upper teir products testing positive.
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2007, 05:49:07 AM »

Bear in mind, that this is what a poster is reporting from a friend.  No laboratory results have been posted.  Let's not jump to conclusions.  Vigilance.
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2007, 09:23:02 AM »

JustMe,
I agree completely, some actually lab results would be nice.
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Diane
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2007, 03:08:25 PM »

Catzpj: Thanks for sharing your test results with the rest of us.That was a wonderful thing to do. Appreciate it.
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2007, 06:22:02 PM »

The results are finally in!  What took so long was at one point in the test, the stuff that used to be the food (which at this point in the tests we laypeople would call “wet”) took longer to dry than the lab folks expected, and it had to dry completely before the tests could be completed.

The California Natural foods tested free of melamine, cyanuric acid and acetaminophen.

The Canidae foods tested negative for melamine and cyanuric acid, but tested POSITIVE for acetaminophen.  The testing was done by ExperTox.

Again, the “best by” dates for the Canidae are:
 
Original RM 7/7/07, use by 7/7/08
Lamb & Rice RM 7/6/07, use by 7/6/08

The “paperwork” will be posted when we get it, hopefully tomorrow.  Mary
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2007, 07:16:14 PM »

Where is the plant or what manufacturer makes the Candidae?  There could be cross contamination with other products manufactured at that site.  We need to identify all the products that could be involved.  Obviously cross contamination was a problem with the melamine and CA before so we should never let our guard down when we find contaminants.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2007, 08:01:52 PM »

Where is the plant or what manufacturer makes the Candidae?  There could be cross contamination with other products manufactured at that site.  We need to identify all the products that could be involved.  Obviously cross contamination was a problem with the melamine and CA before so we should never let our guard down when we find contaminants.
From what I have read, Canidae dry (the kibble) is produced by Pied Piper in Texas.  They have been free of reported problems as far as I know.  Looking forward (in a bit of a sick to my stomach sort of way) to seeing a scan of the report from ExperTox.  This would not be good news.  Hate to see yet another top and well trusted brand bite the dust and wonder if Canidae has been copied on this report.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2007, 10:25:35 PM »


is anyone keeping track of the locations of the acetaminophen positive food?  and maybe have a running list of the brands?
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2007, 04:49:54 AM »


is anyone keeping track of the locations of the acetaminophen positive food?  and maybe have a running list of the brands?

Yup, did a list in Excel last night. It'll be on my blog sometime today. I'll post it here when it's ready.

Tried to copy and paste it in here and can't get it to work... so will post when I have a link.
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« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2007, 04:52:41 AM »

maryd,

I don't think you've ever said, but did your friend's dog(s) get sick on these foods?
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